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Ralph Turner

Quote from: skafkas on February 27, 2006, 01:13:04 AM
Four teams from Texas makes it easier for the committee to do the pairings too. They can do an all Texas regional with Trinity as well.

I know the numbers don't back up Illinois Wesleyan, but I have a hard time seeing 12 teams from the Northeast (5 Pool C's) and no Pool C teams from the Central. 6 of the last 8 champions have come from the Central, but we cannot get teams in even with the expanded tournament? Central Region teams can't seem to rack up the 1 or two loss seasons that Northeast teams can, but we seem to fair a lot better against them head-to-head in the tournament. And this is from a person who grew up in Gorham, Maine, and has friends who went to USM.

Respectfully, WashStL is located in St Louis but they have a national scope.  There are 5 players from IL, but the rest of the roster is comprised of players from 12 other states!

Fawkes316

I don't get your point, Ralph. Wheaton has only 3 players from Illinois and 13 from the rest of the country, but that wasn't my point either. My point is that it is ridiculous that the Central Region didn't get a Pool C bid, when six of the last eight and 7 of the last 10 champions have come from the Central Region.

Maybe your point is that Wash U shouldn't be considered a Central Region team, since they recruit "nationally". Notwithstanding the fact that other teams recruit nationally too, I couldn't disagree more. You surely remember back during Wash U's run that the toughest games were always the second or third round games against the WIAC teams.  They never got as much press, but they were light years better games than the Final Four games against the teams out East.

Even if you are right, then the Central Region, sans Wash U, still deserves respect, since they have won 3 of the last 6 championships that Wash U didn't win.  Certainly other teams rack up impressive records, but where is the evidence that those records mean anything?  The Central Region deserves some respect and at least one Pool C team.

jagluski

Should I be a little worried that...

1) The NCAA's official release/website says Millikin won the title in 2004.

2) Millikin is spelled wrong

Pat Coleman

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jagluski

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 27, 2006, 08:15:12 AM
Par for the course.

That's what I figured, but I had to comment anyway.

Ralph Turner

Pool C schools are designated by italics in this final QOWI.  The Pool B schools are bold and the Pool A schools are stricken.

The highest QOWI not receiving a bid is #42 St Lawrence 19-5 and 10.000.  The lowest QOWI receiving a Pool C bid is #85 Hardin-Simmons 19-5 and 9.250.


Here is the alphabetized list of Pool C schools.

Baldwin-Wallace
Bates
Brandeis
Bridgewater (Virginia)
Calvin
Cortland State
Franklin
Hardin-Simmons
Howard Payne
Maine Maritime
Mary Washington
Moravian
New York University
Oglethorpe
Puget Sound
Richard Stockton
Rochester
St. Benedict
Trinity
Wesleyan (Connecticut)
Williams


DePauw     12.429     21-0
Bowdoin    12.391    21-2
Scranton    11.905    21-0
Southern Maine    11.846    25-1
Washington U.     11.684    17-2
Messiah    11.500    21-1
Randolph-Macon    11.304    22-1
Brandeis    11.217    19-4
Hope     11.208    23-1
Pacific Lutheran    11.158    17-2
               
11-20
Mary Washington     11.125    23-1
Baldwin-Wallace    11.042    22-2
Muhlenberg    10.963    25-2
Williams    10.957    18-5
St. John Fisher    10.880    23-2
Capital    10.875    21-3
Bates    10.875    18-6
Rochester    10.750    18-6
Carroll    10.727    18-4
Richard Stockton    10.640    21-4
               
21-30
Wesleyan    10.565    18-5
Gwynedd-Mercy     10.538    23-3
Wheaton (Ill.)    10.524    18-3
William Smith    10.522    19-4
Medaille     10.500    23-1
McMurry     10.385    24-2
Mount St. Mary    10.385    23-3
Maine-Farmington    10.370    23-4
Colby-Sawyer     10.370    23-4
Puget Sound    10.348    19-4
               
31-40
Cortland State    10.346    22-4
Norwich    10.304    20-3
Greensboro    10.286    18-3
Bridgewater (Va.)     10.250    22-6
Oglethorpe    10.250    19-5
Springfield    10.231    20-6
Salem State    10.167    20-4
Concordia-Moorhead    10.160    20-5
New York University    10.120    18-7
Baruch    10.087    19-4

41-50
St. Benedict    10.043    19-4
St. Lawrence    10.000    19-5
New Jersey     9.960    18-7
UW-Stout     9.955    17-5
Maryville (Mo.)    9.941    17-0
Emmanuel    9.917    19-5
Illinois Wesleyan    9.913    16-7
Simpson    9.895    18-1
St. Norbert    9.870    16-7
Johns Hopkins    9.870    18-5

51-60
Moravian    9.840    19-6
Maine Maritime     9.815    22-5
Oswego State     9.800    20-5
Trinity (Texas)     9.750    15-5
Wittenberg    9.750    17-7
Ripon    9.682    14-8
UW-Oshkosh    9.667    17-7
Lawrence    9.650    15-5
Cal Lutheran    9.632    15-4
Eastern Connecticut    9.630    20-7

61-70
Union    9.600    17-8
Western New England    9.583    18-6
Mount Holyoke    9.583    18-6
UW-Stevens Point    9.560    17-8
Howard Payne     9.560    21-4
Chicago    9.545    14-8
Calvin    9.500    15-3
Wilmington    9.481    19-8
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps    9.474    15-4
McDaniel    9.462    19-7

71-80
Franklin    9.458    21-4
Washington and Jefferson    9.455    18-4
Otterbein    9.440    17-8
Dickinson    9.440    18-7
Luther    9.429    17-4
Montclair State    9.417    16-8
Chapman    9.400    11-4
Marymount    9.391    16-7
Gustavus Adolphus    9.385    19-7
Catholic    9.320    17-8

81-90
UW-La Crosse    9.318    14-8
Denison    9.304    18-5
Emory    9.286    11-10
Maryville (Tenn.)     9.280    21-4
Hardin-Simmons    9.250    19-5
Texas-Tyler    9.227    17-5  (Ineligible as a 3rd year provisional school)
Kenyon    9.217    17-6
DeSales    9.185    16-11
Christopher Newport    9.182    14-8
Virginia Wesleyan    9.182    15-7

91-100
Endicott    9.154    16-10
Clark    9.120    16-9
Carleton    9.120    17-8
Mississippi College    9.120    19-6
Salve Regina    9.111    19-8
Wesley    9.087    17-6
SUNY-Farmingdale    9.083    15-9
Worcester State    9.083    15-9
William Paterson    9.080    15-10
Hood     9.050    14-6

Rockford
Manchester

Ralph Turner

Here is the 3rd and last published regional ranking.  The final regional ranking is not published.  Pool A schools are stricken,  Pool B schools are bold,  and Pool C schools are in italics.

Women
Atlantic
1 Mary Washington 21-0 25-0
2 Richard Stockton 20-3 21-4
3 Mount St. Mary 20-3 22-3
4 Baruch 17-4 19-6
5 Stevens 18-7 18-7
6 Catholic 16-7 18-7

Central
1 Washington U. 16-2 22-2
2 Wheaton (Ill.) 15-3 20-4
3 Maryville (Mo.) 14-0 20-4
4 Carroll 16-4 19-4
5 Illinois Wesleyan 15-5 18-7
6 Lawrence 15-4 19-4

East
1 Medaille 21-1 23-1
2 Rochester 17-6 17-7
3 St. John Fisher 21-2 22-2
4 Cortland State 20-3 21-3
5 New York University 18-6 18-6
6 William Smith 17-4 19-5

Great Lakes
1 DePauw 18-0 24-1
2 Hope 20-1 24-1
3 Baldwin-Wallace 20-1 22-3
4 Capital 18-3 22-3
5 Calvin 13-2 21-3
6 Franklin 17-3 22-3

Mid-Atlantic
1 Scranton 18-0 24-1
2 Messiah 20-1 23-2
3 Muhlenberg 23-2 23-2
4 Gwynedd-Mercy 21-3 22-3
5 Moravian 19-5 20-5
6 Johns Hopkins 16-4 19-6

Northeast
1 Southern Maine 23-1 24-1
2 Bowdoin 19-2 22-2
3 Brandeis 18-4 18-4
4 Williams 17-4 20-4
5 Bates 17-5 18-7
6 Wesleyan 17-4 18-6
7 Salem State 18-4 21-4
8 Maine Maritime 20-4 21-4

South
1 Randolph-Macon 20-1 22-2
2 McMurry 21-2 23-2
3 Howard Payne 20-3 22-3
4 Hardin-Simmons 19-4 20-4
5 Oglethorpe 18-4 20-5
6 Bridgewater (Va.) 20-5 20-5
UR  Trinity TX 13-4 18-6

West
1 Pacific Lutheran 16-2 21-3
2 Puget Sound 18-3 21-4
3 St. Benedict 19-3 21-4
4 Simpson 16-1 21-4
5 Concordia-Moorhead 18-5 19-6
6 Chapman 11-3 17-7


Pat Coleman

First published run of Quality of Wins Index for women this season, through Saturday's games.

Categories are: Overall rank in Division III in QOWI, QOWI, Rank within region, team name, regional win pct. (record), overall record.

Overall   Points   In-Region   Team   Region Win%   Overall
1   12.273   1   Bowdoin   0.955 (21-1)   23-1
2   12.045   1   Messiah   0.955 (21-1)   21-2
3   11.818   2   Fitchburg State   0.955 (21-1)   21-1
4   11.714   1   UW-Stout   0.857 (18-3)   19-5
5   11.684   3   Emmanuel   0.947 (18-1)   20-1
6   11.455   4   Southern Maine   0.955 (21-1)   21-1
7   11.286   1   New York University   0.905 (19-2)   19-2
8   11.286   2   Rochester   0.857 (18-3)   18-3
9   11.267   1   DePauw   0.867 (13-2)   20-2
10   11.250   3   Cortland State   0.950 (19-1)   20-1
11   11.182   1   Mary Washington   0.909 (20-2)   21-2
12   11.150   5   Williams   0.800 (16-4)   19-5
13   11.143   2   Scranton   0.905 (19-2)   21-2
14   11.000   1   Howard Payne   0.955 (21-1)   22-1
15   11.000   1   Luther   0.875 (14-2)   18-4
16   10.955   3   McDaniel   0.909 (20-2)   20-2
17   10.870   4   Gwynedd-Mercy   0.913 (21-2)   21-2
18   10.850   6   Maine Maritime   0.900 (18-2)   20-2
19   10.850   4   St. Lawrence   0.950 (19-1)   21-2
20   10.800   2   UW-Whitewater   0.750 (15-5)   17-6
21   10.800   2   Calvin   1.000 (15-0)   21-1
22   10.789   3   Chicago   0.789 (15-4)   17-4
23   10.778   4   Lake Forest   0.944 (17-1)   19-2
24   10.722   2   Simpson   0.778 (14-4)   18-5
25   10.650   5   Carroll   0.850 (17-3)   18-3
26   10.636   2   Kean   0.864 (19-3)   20-3
27   10.632   7   Brandeis   0.789 (15-4)   16-4
28   10.632   6   Illinois Wesleyan   0.895 (17-2)   19-3
29   10.619   3   Mount St. Mary   0.905 (19-2)   20-3
30   10.588   3   Puget Sound   0.882 (15-2)   19-4
31   10.500   3   Wilmington   0.800 (16-4)   19-4
32   10.450   4   Denison   0.850 (17-3)   19-4
33   10.389   7   Concordia (Wis.)   0.889 (16-2)   19-3
34   10.389   8   UW-Eau Claire   0.722 (13-5)   16-7
35   10.368   2   Oglethorpe   0.842 (16-3)   17-5
36   10.286   8   Norwich   0.905 (19-2)   20-2
37   10.273   9   Maine-Farmington   0.864 (19-3)   19-3
38   10.261   4   Gustavus Adolphus   0.870 (20-3)   20-3
39   10.227   10   Keene State   0.773 (17-5)   17-5
40   10.227   5   Capital   0.773 (17-5)   17-5
41   10.190   5   Oswego State   0.714 (15-6)   15-7
42   10.190   5   St. Benedict   0.905 (19-2)   19-4
43   10.182   3   McMurry   0.864 (19-3)   20-3
44   10.167   6   Chapman   0.722 (13-5)   18-5
45   10.150   4   Randolph-Macon   0.850 (17-3)   18-4
46   10.136   11   Tufts   0.682 (15-7)   16-7
47   10.091   4   William Paterson   0.864 (19-3)   20-4
48   10.091   6   Baldwin-Wallace   0.773 (17-5)   18-5
49   10.087   5   Albright   0.696 (16-7)   16-7
50   10.056   9   Millikin   0.833 (15-3)   18-4
51   10.056   10   Washington U.   0.778 (14-4)   16-5
52   10.053   6   Medaille   0.895 (17-2)   19-4
53   10.053   5   East Texas Baptist   0.842 (16-3)   20-4
54   10.000   7   Brockport State   0.750 (15-5)   17-5
55   10.000   6   Maryville (Tenn.)   0.867 (13-2)   18-3
56   9.955   12   Colby-Sawyer   0.818 (18-4)   18-4
57   9.955   6   Muhlenberg   0.818 (18-4)   19-4
58   9.950   11   UW-Stevens Point   0.700 (14-6)   16-6
59   9.905   7   Virginia Wesleyan   0.810 (17-4)   19-5
60   9.900   7   Manchester   0.800 (16-4)   16-6
61   9.895   8   Transylvania   0.737 (14-5)   16-7
62   9.875   12   Maryville (Mo.)   0.813 (13-3)   17-5
63   9.857   8   Hardin-Simmons   0.810 (17-4)   18-4
64   9.824   9   Hope   0.824 (14-3)   19-3
65   9.800   7   George Fox   0.719 (11-4)   15-6
66   9.789   13   Salve Regina   0.789 (15-4)   16-6
67   9.737   14   Mount Holyoke   0.684 (13-6)   16-7
68   9.737   8   RPI   0.684 (13-6)   14-8
69   9.700   10   Rose-Hulman   0.850 (17-3)   21-3
70   9.684   11   Thomas More   0.778 (14-4)   18-4
71   9.682   15   Worcester Polytech   0.727 (16-6)   16-6
72   9.667   9   Elmira   0.786 (11-3)   18-4
73   9.667   7   Dickinson   0.810 (17-4)   19-4
74   9.667   12   Ohio Northern   0.714 (15-6)   16-7
75   9.652   16   Bates   0.609 (14-9)   14-9
76   9.600   9   Ferrum   0.750 (15-5)   16-6
77   9.571   5   Stevens   0.857 (18-3)   19-4
78   9.556   10   Hendrix   0.833 (15-3)   18-4
79   9.556   13   Wheaton (Ill.)   0.722 (13-5)   15-6
80   9.526   13   Westminster (Pa.)   0.737 (14-5)   18-5
81   9.500   10   Hamilton   0.667 (12-6)   15-6
82   9.500   6   York (Pa.)   0.667 (16-8)   16-8
83   9.476   17   Suffolk   0.762 (16-5)   16-7
84   9.455   7   Baruch   0.727 (16-6)   18-7
85   9.450   18   Eastern Connecticut   0.600 (12-8)   13-10
86   9.412   14   Carthage   0.706 (12-5)   14-8
87   9.409   14   Penn State-Behrend   0.864 (19-3)   19-3
88   9.381   8   Marymount   0.750 (15-5)   15-8
89   9.375   8   La Verne   0.750 (12-4)   16-5
90   9.300   11   Trinity (Texas)   0.650 (13-7)   15-7
91   9.263   19   Mass-Boston   0.684 (13-6)   15-8
92   9.263   12   Eastern Mennonite   0.789 (15-4)   16-5
93   9.238   13   Bridgewater (Va.)   0.714 (15-6)   16-7
94   9.182   20   Wheaton (Mass.)   0.682 (15-7)   16-7
95   9.182   21   Endicott   0.682 (15-7)   15-7
96   9.167   14   Greensboro   0.778 (14-4)   16-6
97   9.158   15   Piedmont   0.737 (14-5)   15-6
98   9.095   8   King's   0.667 (14-7)   16-7
99   9.053   15   Lawrence   0.632 (12-7)   13-8
100   9.050   15   Wittenberg   0.600 (12-8)   13-9
101   9.045   16   Mary Hardin-Baylor   0.727 (16-6)   16-7
102   9.045   16   Allegheny   0.682 (15-7)   16-7
103   8.957   9   Carleton   0.696 (16-7)   16-7
104   8.952   11   Ithaca   0.619 (13-8)   13-9
105   8.952   9   Moravian   0.571 (12-9)   13-10
106   8.952   16   St. Norbert   0.667 (14-7)   14-7
107   8.947   22   Wesleyan   0.579 (11-8)   14-8
108   8.947   17   Washington and Jefferson   0.632 (12-7)   15-7
109   8.905   12   Union   0.571 (12-9)   12-10
110   8.905   10   Juniata   0.619 (13-8)   14-9
111   8.900   10   Concordia-Moorhead   0.650 (13-7)   15-8
112   8.875   11   Minnesota-Morris   0.875 (7-1)   12-10
113   8.867   12   Redlands   0.667 (10-5)   13-7
114   8.850   17   Shenandoah   0.600 (12-8)   13-8
115   8.842   9   Rutgers-Newark   0.737 (14-5)   15-7
116   8.826   11   Cabrini   0.696 (16-7)   16-7
117   8.810   17   Aurora   0.667 (14-7)   14-8
118   8.800   13   William Smith   0.550 (11-9)   11-10
119   8.778   10   Villa Julie   0.706 (12-5)   13-7
120   8.762   12   DeSales   0.667 (14-7)   16-7
121   8.750   13   Loras   0.650 (13-7)   14-9
122   8.737   18   Christopher Newport   0.684 (13-6)   15-7
123   8.727   23   Rhode Island College   0.636 (14-8)   14-9
124   8.727   11   Lehman   0.636 (14-8)   16-9
125   8.727   18   Benedictine   0.682 (15-7)   16-7
126   8.722   14   Keuka   0.667 (12-6)   13-7
127   8.706   13   Johns Hopkins   0.706 (12-5)   13-8
128   8.706   14   Linfield   0.588 (10-7)   13-9
129   8.700   19   UW-River Falls   0.550 (11-9)   14-10
130   8.684   12   Catholic   0.579 (11-8)   14-9
131   8.652   13   Richard Stockton   0.522 (12-11)   12-11
132   8.650   15   New Paltz State   0.700 (14-6)   14-8
133   8.619   24   Emerson   0.619 (13-8)   13-9
134   8.619   14   Montclair State   0.571 (12-9)   13-9
135   8.611   19   Texas-Tyler   0.667 (12-6)   15-8
136   8.611   15   Buena Vista   0.667 (12-6)   15-8
137   8.591   20   Edgewood   0.591 (13-9)   13-10
138   8.588   16   Whitman   0.529 (9-8)   11-12
139   8.565   14   Ursinus   0.609 (14-9)   14-9
140   8.556   17   Whitworth   0.556 (10-8)   13-10
141   8.550   15   SUNY-Farmingdale   0.700 (14-6)   15-6
142   8.545   21   Wisconsin Lutheran   0.545 (12-10)   13-10
143   8.533   18   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps   0.533 (8-7)   12-9
144   8.529   19   Lewis and Clark   0.647 (11-6)   15-8
145   8.500   16   Utica   0.682 (15-7)   16-7
146   8.500   15   Susquehanna   0.500 (10-10)   13-10
147   8.478   16   John Jay   0.652 (15-8)   17-8
148   8.476   25   Castleton State   0.667 (14-7)   15-7
149   8.455   26   Amherst   0.545 (12-10)   12-12
150   8.444   18   Anderson   0.611 (11-7)   15-8
151   8.409   27   Western Connecticut   0.545 (12-10)   13-10
152   8.409   17   Geneseo State   0.545 (12-10)   13-10
153   8.400   19   Otterbein   0.600 (12-8)   14-9
154   8.375   17   New Jersey   0.458 (11-13)   11-13
155   8.368   16   Elizabethtown   0.579 (11-8)   13-9
156   8.364   28   Salem State   0.545 (12-10)   12-10
157   8.357   22   Principia   0.714 (10-4)   16-5
158   8.350   18   Oneonta State   0.550 (11-9)   13-10
159   8.318   29   Western New England   0.545 (12-10)   12-10
160   8.316   20   Rhodes   0.632 (12-7)   14-8
161   8.304   30   Springfield   0.522 (12-11)   12-11
162   8.300   21   Austin   0.600 (12-8)   12-8
163   8.286   18   St. Mary's (Md.)   0.476 (10-11)   10-11
164   8.278   20   Olivet   0.611 (11-7)   11-10
165   8.261   17   Alvernia   0.609 (14-9)   14-9
166   8.227   23   Lakeland   0.591 (13-9)   13-9
167   8.222   24   UW-La Crosse   0.500 (9-9)   13-10
168   8.211   21   Albion   0.579 (11-8)   13-9
169   8.200   22   Kenyon   0.550 (11-9)   12-11
170   8.200   20   Pacific Lutheran   0.533 (8-7)   12-10
171   8.190   31   Worcester State   0.524 (11-10)   13-10
172   8.150   32   Bridgewater State   0.550 (11-9)   12-9
173   8.136   33   Clark   0.545 (12-10)   12-10
174   8.136   34   Husson   0.500 (11-11)   11-11
175   8.130   18   Neumann   0.696 (16-7)   16-7
176   8.111   25   Fontbonne   0.611 (11-7)   12-10
177   8.100   35   Trinity (Conn.)   0.550 (11-9)   12-11
178   8.100   19   Immaculata   0.650 (13-7)   13-9
179   8.095   19   Rochester Tech   0.571 (12-9)   13-10
180   8.091   21   St. Catherine's   0.591 (13-9)   14-9
181   8.087   22   Mississippi College   0.652 (15-8)   15-8
182   8.045   36   Nichols   0.591 (13-9)   13-9
183   8.000   19   Salisbury   0.579 (11-8)   13-10
184   8.000   23   Emory   0.444 (8-10)   8-13
185   8.000   23   Franklin   0.611 (11-7)   13-9
186   8.000   24   St. Mary's (Ind.)   0.526 (10-9)   10-10
187   8.000   22   St. Thomas   0.565 (13-10)   13-10
188   7.955   25   Mount Union   0.500 (11-11)   11-12
189   7.952   37   Babson   0.524 (11-10)   11-11
190   7.952   20   Frostburg State   0.619 (13-8)   15-8
191   7.947   21   Mt. St. Vincent   0.579 (11-8)   13-8
192   7.913   23   Wartburg   0.522 (12-11)   13-12
193   7.909   20   St. John Fisher   0.500 (11-11)   12-11
194   7.900   26   Marian   0.550 (11-9)   14-9
195   7.895   27   North Park   0.579 (11-8)   14-8
196   7.895   26   Defiance   0.526 (10-9)   13-10
197   7.889   28   Greenville   0.605 (11-7)   15-7
198   7.870   38   Middlebury   0.478 (11-12)   12-12
199   7.857   24   Southwestern   0.524 (11-10)   12-10
200   7.833   25   Washington and Lee   0.500 (9-9)   12-10
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Quote from: old 40 on September 25, 2007, 08:23:57 PMLet's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.

berghoops

Pat,

I don't know if these quality point indexes are totally accurate.
I believe some of the regional records are off due to the fact that not all games on the team webpages are accurately listed as in region or out of region.  Moravian/Hopkins (not listed as region game) and DelVal/St. Lawrence (is listed as region game) are two examples of this.

This is not meant to be to as criticisim, as the site has so much info a few of these are always going to slip through.  My guess was your program to compute the quality points was drawing from that database of info. 

If am wrong, I do apologize --- it would not be the first or the last mistake of mine!   :)

Pat Coleman

Believe me, we'll gladly take any info we can get.

However, Delaware Valley/St. Lawrence is a regional game. This is correctly listed. Check the FAQ (link at the bottom of my post) for the definition of a regional game.
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Quote from: old 40 on September 25, 2007, 08:23:57 PMLet's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.

berghoops

I stand corrected on DelVal/St.Lawrence.  I was thinking playing region and distance and  omitted the "administrative region" qualifier.  I was just using two example I thought were right ( shooting 50% at least ).  I thought I saw Dickinson/Wilkes not listed as regional as well.  Most likely these are 2nd round Tourney Games where pairings would not be known when schedules were first submitted. 

Do you want other instances if found, or is the data being pulled from a different place and therefor not important to your QP calculations?  And thanks for publishing the QP indexes, it saves lots of surfing and hand held calculations!

Pat Coleman

Pretty much every system dealing with game-day data is linked together, so if you see anything let me know. I've just gone through both MACs and touched up a couple games.
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Quote from: old 40 on September 25, 2007, 08:23:57 PMLet's discuss (sports) in a positive way, sometimes kidding each other with no disrespect.

bearsfan

Hey Pat,

I've been tracking several of the central regions QOWI (particularly Wash U's) and seem to be different on some and was hoping you could help with what I am doing wrong. Also, before I start, why is Hanover considered a regional game for Wash U? Hanover isn't in Wash U's administrative region, they are in the Great Lakes playing region, not in the UAA, and more than 200 miles apart (I believe). That win actually negatively affects the QOWI index so was trying to figure out why that would be regional. Understand about the Central game now but was puzzled about Hanover. They weren't a regional game last season.

Assuming they do count, I have Wash U coming out at 10.11 instead of 10.056. It is based on the following QOW for each team:

Central - 1 point
Blackburn - 8 points
Lake Forest - 6 points
Hanover - 8 points
North Park - 13 points
Maryville - 14 points
Fontbonne - 12 points
Webster - 9 points
Chicago - 7 points
Case Western - 11 points
Emory - 11 points
Rochester - 14 points
CMU - 8 points
Brandeis - 14 points
NYU - 14 points
NYU - 7 points
Brandeis - 15 points
Emory - 10 points

That totals to 182 points in 18 games which is 10.111. If you take Hanover off, the total becomes 174 in 17 games which is 10.235.

I am hoping you can let me know where I have a mistake or if maybe the posted calculations are wrong and about the Hanover as well.

pabegg

Quote from: bearsfan on February 12, 2007, 10:22:57 AM

Assuming they do count, I have Wash U coming out at 10.11 instead of 10.056. It is based on the following QOW for each team:

That totals to 182 points in 18 games which is 10.111. If you take Hanover off, the total becomes 174 in 17 games which is 10.235.

I am hoping you can let me know where I have a mistake or if maybe the posted calculations are wrong and about the Hanover as well.

Your calculations look right (the 10.056 would be 181 over 18). I'm guessing that the database doesn't credit the 1 point for a neutral court loss to Central, seeing it as a home loss.

bearsfan

Thanks. That makes sense. Wouldn't the neutral court be an away game for both teams though no matter who was the "home team" for the game?