Pool C

Ralph Turner · February 11, 2009, 05:23:08 PM

Women's regional rankings
Atlantic Region
1. York (Pa.) 20-1 20-1 CAC Pool A
2. Kean 16-3 18-4 NJAC Pool A
3. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.) 16-3 16-4 SKY Pool A
4. The College of New Jersey 17-4 18-4 NJAC Pool C
5. Marymount (Va.) 16-3 17-4 CAC Pool C
6. Staten Island 15-3 17-5 CUNYAC Pool A

Central Region
1. Ill. Wesleyan 18-0 20-0 CCIW Pool A
2. UW-Stevens Point 18-2 19-2 WIAC Pool A
3. UW-Whitewater 16-3 18-3 WIAC Pool C
4. Washington U. 14-4 16-4 UAA Pool C (Pool A assigned to Rochester)
5. UW-Eau Claire 15-3 19-3 WIAC Pool C
6. St. Norbert 15-2 16-4 MWC Pool A

Concordia-WI has the best record in the NATHC.
Maryville MO leads the SLIAC.

East Region
1. Rochester 19-1 19-1 UAA Pool A
2. New York U. 17-3 17-3 UAA Pool C
3. Stevens 17-3 17-3 E8 Pool A
4. Union 15-2 15-5 LL Pool A
5. Cortland State 16-3 17-3 SUNYAC Pool A
6. Oneonta State 14-3 16-4 SUNYAC Pool C

D'Youville has the highest W/L Percentage in the NEAC.

Great Lakes Region
1. DePauw 11-2 19-3 SCAC Pool C (Pool A assigned to Oglethorpe)
2. Hope 14-1 18-1 MIAA Pool A
3. Washington and Jefferson 15-2 19-2 Pres AC Pool A
4. Thomas More 16-2 19-2 Pres AC Pool A
5. Capital 15-3 15-4 OAC Pool A
6. Baldwin-Wallace 13-4 16-5 OAC Pool C

Pitt-Greenburg leads the AMCC.
Anderson leads the HCAC.
Denison leads the NCAC.

Mid-Atlantic Region
1. Messiah 18-2 20-2 MACC Pool A
2. Moravian 16-4 18-4 LAND Pool B
3. Muhlenberg 18-3 18-3 CC Pool A
4. DeSales 17-4 17-4 MACF Pool A
5. Scranton 16-4 17-4 LAND Pool B
6. Cabrini 14-4 16-4 CSAC Pool A

Northeast Region
1. Amherst 20-1 21-1 NESCAC Pool A
2. Tufts 17-3 17-3 NESCAC Pool C
3. Brandeis 12-6 13-6 UAA Pool C
4. Bowdoin 17-4 18-4 NESCAC Pool C
5. Eastern Connecticut State 19-2 19-2 LEC Pool A
6. Western Connecticut State 16-3 17-3 LEC Pool C
7. Keene State 15-4 17-4 LEC Pool C
8. Nichols 19-2 19-2 CCC Pool A

Emmanuel leads the GNAC.
Husson leads the NAC.
Westfield State leads the MASCAC.
WPI leads the NEWMAC.

South Region
1. Oglethorpe 15-2 19-2 SCAC Pool A
2. Texas-Dallas 18-2 18-3 ASC Pool A
3. Greensboro 17-0 18-1 USAC Pool A
4. Roanoke 18-2 19-2 ODAC Pool A
5. McMurry 15-3 17-4 ASC Pool C
6. Mississippi College 17-3 18-3 ASC Pool C

Maryville TN leads the GSAC.

West Region
1. George Fox 16-0 21-0 NWC Pool A
2. St. Benedict 18-3 18-3 MIAC Pool A
3. Concordia-Moorhead 14-4 15-6 MIAC Pool C
4. Simpson 15-3 19-3 IIAC Pool A
5. La Verne 14-3 16-4 SCIAC Pool A
6. Chapman 13-6 16-7 Ind Pool B

The current "leaders" in all 40 women's conferences are identified.

This list accounts for all 3 Pool B bids, (Moravian, Scranton and Chapman).

There are also 18 Pool C teams in this Regional Ranking. (There are 20 Pool C bids in 2009.)

(Corrections appreciated.)

Ralph Turner · February 12, 2009, 04:52:21 PM

Corrections to the East Region (Thanks to the poster who contacted me off-line.)

Ithaca 11-2 14-5 15-7 After beating Stevens on 2/10
Utica 10-2 15-5 16-5 After beating Hartwick on 2/10
Stevens 9-3 17-4 17-4 After losing to Ithaca on 2/10

Stevens is looking like a possible Pool C bid. (Conference/in-region/overall)

That raises the number of Pool C bids to 19.

PrideFan1986 · February 14, 2009, 10:37:16 PM

Ralph can you explain to me, how the Pools work with the at large bids and all please. I just dont understand them and how it works.

Ralph Turner · February 14, 2009, 10:49:09 PM

Playoff FAQ

After the Pool A bids have been awarded by the conferences, whether by regular season finish as done in the UAA, or by post-season tourney, the remaining teams are evaluated by the criteria that are listed in the Handbook.

For the women, there are 20 Pool C bids to be awarded.

As I posted on the board this week, if your team is not listed in this week's regional rankings, then my best advice is to win your conference.

About which team are you most concerned? Greensboro?

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 15, 2009, 11:51:43 AM

To add to Ralph's thoughts on the regional rankings... if your team is ranked near the bottom of those regional rankings, you should win your conference as well. You can't risk losing another game and hoping there is enough room in the tournament to include you.

PrideFan1986 · February 18, 2009, 08:18:48 PM

Yes that is who i follow. So what you are saying, is that everyone that does not get the AQ from the conf. that they play in goes into pool b or c.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 14, 2009, 10:49:09 PM
Playoff FAQ

After the Pool A bids have been awarded by the conferences, whether by regular season finish as done in the UAA, or by post-season tourney, the remaining teams are evaluated by the criteria that are listed in the Handbook.

For the women, there are 20 Pool C bids to be awarded.

As I posted on the board this week, if your team is not listed in this week's regional rankings, then my best advice is to win your conference.

About which team are you most concerned? Greensboro?

ronk · February 18, 2009, 11:49:51 PM

Pat,
I commented on today's Daily Dose concerning the regional rankings that all of Scranton's games should be in-region; if true, since this might affect the ranking, both now and the future unpublished one which is used for Pool B/C selections, seedings, hosting, etc., who should notify the NCAA committee, Scranton's SID or AD or you, and should they publish an update to acknowledge the error?

Ralph Turner · February 19, 2009, 06:41:31 PM

Atlantic Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. York (Pa.) 22-1 22-1 Capital AC
2. Kean 17-4 19-5 NJAC
3. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.) 19-3 19-4 SKY
4. TCNJ 18-4 20-4 NJAC -- C
5. Marymount (Va.) 18-3 19-4 Capital AC -- C
6. Mary Washington 16-5 18-5 Capital AC -- C

Unranked Pool A's (1): CUNYAC

Central Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Ill. Wesleyan 20-0 22-0 CCIW
2. Wis.-Whitewater 18-3 20-3 WIAC
3. Wis.-Stevens Point 19-3 20-3 WIAC -- Pool C
4. Washington-St. Louis 16-4 18-4 UAA (Currently leading the UAA)
5. Wis.-Eau Claire 15-4 19-4 WIAC -- Pool C
6. St. Norbert 17-2 18-4 MWC

Unranked Pool A's (2): NATHC. SLAIC

East Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Rochester 20-2 20-2 UAA -- Pool C
2. New York U. 18-4 18-4 UAA -- Pool C
3. Cortland St. 18-3 19-3 SUNYAC
4. Union (N.Y.) 16-4 16-6 LL
5. Oneonta St. 16-4 18-5 SUNYAC -- Pool C
6. Ithaca 14-6 15-8 E8

Unranked Pool A's (1): NEAC

Great Lakes Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Hope 16-1 20-1 MIAA
2. Thomas More 17-2 21-2 Pres AC
3. DePauw 13-3 19-4 SCAC -- Pool C (Oglethorpe leads the SCAC)
4. Wash. & Jeff. 16-3 20-3 Pres AC -- Pool C
5. Transylvania 16-3 18-5 HCAC
6. Capital 16-4 16-5 OAC

Unranked Pool A's (2): AMCC, NCAC

Mid-Atlantic Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Moravian 18-4 20-4 LAND -- B
2. Muhlenberg 20-3 20-3 CC
3. DeSales 19-4 19-4 MACF
4. Messiah 18-3 20-3 MACC
5. Scranton 17-4 20-4 LAND -- B
6. Alvernia 15-5 16-7 ~~CSAC~~ MACF* -- Pool C

Unranked Pool A's (1): Colonial States AC

Northeast Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Amherst 22-1 23-1 NESCAC
2. Tufts 19-3 19-3 NESCAC -- Pool C
3. Brandeis 14-6 15-6 UAA -- Pool C
4. Bowdoin 19-4 20-4 NESCAC -- Pool C
5. Eastern Conn. St. 21-2 21-2 LEC
6. Western Conn. St. 17-4 18-4 LEC -- Pool C
7. Southern Me. 17-4 18-5 LEC -- Pool C
8. Keene St. 16-5 18-5 LEC -- Pool C

Unranked Pool A's (5): CCC, GNAC; MASCAC; NAC; NEWMAC

South Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. Oglethorpe 16-2 21-2 SCAC
2. Texas-Dallas 20-2 20-3 ASC
3. Greensboro 20-0 21-1 USAC
4. Roanoke 19-2 21-2 ODAC
5. Randolph-Macon 15-4 18-5 ODAC -- Pool C
6. McMurry 16-4 18-5 ASC -- Pool C

Unranked Pool A's (1): GSAC

West Region In-Region Record Overall Record
1. George Fox 18-0 23-0 NWC
2. St. Benedict 20-3 20-3 MIAC
3. Concordia-M'head 15-5 16-7 MIAC -- Pool C
4. Simpson 16-3 20-3 IIAC
5. St. Thomas (Minn.) 17-6 17-6 MIAC -- Pool C
6. La Verne 15-4 17-5 SCIAC

Unranked Pool A's (none).

Ranked Pool A conferences: 28 27
Unranked Pool A conferences: 12 13
Ranked Pool B teams: 2
Unranked Pool B teams: 1
Ranked Pool C teams: 20 21

The question that the followers of Pool C teams from regions other than the Northeast is whether their unranked team is better than the ranked teams that will still be "on the table" when the selection process occurs.

Thanks to Mailsy for the Alvernia correction. (Doesn't Alvernia travel to the Commonwealth next season? )

Corrections are always appreciated!

Pat Coleman · February 19, 2009, 08:23:25 PM

Quote from: ronk on February 18, 2009, 11:49:51 PM
Pat,
I commented on today's Daily Dose concerning the regional rankings that all of Scranton's games should be in-region; if true, since this might affect the ranking, both now and the future unpublished one which is used for Pool B/C selections, seedings, hosting, etc., who should notify the NCAA committee, Scranton's SID or AD or you, and should they publish an update to acknowledge the error?

Catholic is outside the 200-mile radius for Scranton and if the NCAA doesn't give the Landmark a waiver without an automatic bid then that's not a regional game.

ronk · February 19, 2009, 09:56:53 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2009, 08:23:25 PM
Quote from: ronk on February 18, 2009, 11:49:51 PM
Pat,
I commented on today's Daily Dose concerning the regional rankings that all of Scranton's games should be in-region; if true, since this might affect the ranking, both now and the future unpublished one which is used for Pool B/C selections, seedings, hosting, etc., who should notify the NCAA committee, Scranton's SID or AD or you, and should they publish an update to acknowledge the error?

Catholic is outside the 200-mile radius for Scranton and if the NCAA doesn't give the Landmark a waiver without an automatic bid then that's not a regional game.

The handbook doesn't distinguish between whether your conference has an AQ or not; the games were in region last year according to the regional rankings link on your home page; all conference games are supposed to be in-region. They also beat Kean last week in a reschedule of a postponed game that also wasn't included in the ranking.

Pat Coleman · February 19, 2009, 10:01:35 PM

Except that since the Landmark is new, it may not be recognized as a conference.

This is something for Scranton to bring up with the Landmark or Pool B regional rep on the committee.

ronk · February 19, 2009, 10:25:04 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 19, 2009, 10:01:35 PM
Except that since the Landmark is new, it may not be recognized as a conference.

This is something for Scranton to bring up with the Landmark or Pool B regional rep on the committee.

Thanks for your consideration/suggestion; I'll pass it on to Scranton.

mailsy · February 19, 2009, 10:27:40 PM

Ralph,

Alvernia is in the MAC Freedom not CSAC. Cabrini is and they aren't in the 6th spot this week.

Ralph Turner · February 25, 2009, 09:51:33 PM

Mid-Atlantic Region
1. Scranton 21-4 21-4 LAND Pool B
2. Moravian 18-5 20-5 LAND Pool B
3. Muhlenberg 22-3 22-3 CC
4. DeSales 21-4 21-4 MACF
5. Messiah 20-3 22-3 MACC (losers to Widener 60-57)
6. Alvernia 16-6 17-8 MACF (losers to Manhattanville, 70-65)

Our first and second Pool C teams in the wait-and-worry room.

Ralph Turner · February 25, 2009, 10:09:49 PM

Women's regional rankings
Records listed are in-region record, followed by overall record.

Atlantic Region
1. York (Pa.) 24-1 24-1 CAC
2. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.) 21-3 21-4 SKY
3. TCNJ 20-4 21-4 NJAC Advances to Finals (67-47 over WPU)
4. Kean 18-5 20-6 NJAC Pool C Advances to Finals (76-55 over MSU)
5. Marymount (Va.) 19-4 20-5 CAC Pool C
6. Mary Washington 18-5 20-5 CAC Pool C

Central Region
1. Ill. Wesleyan 21-0 24-0 CCIW
2. Washington-St. Louis 18-4 20-4 UAA Pool A
3. Wis.-Stevens Point 21-3 22-3 WIAC
4. Wis.-Whitewater 20-3 22-3 WIAC Pool C
5. Wis.-Eau Claire 17-4 21-4 WIAC Pool C
6. St. Norbert 18-2 19-4 MWC

East Region
1. Rochester 21-3 21-3 UAA Pool C (WashStL has AQ)
2. New York U. 20-4 20-4 UAA Pool C
3. Cortland St. 21-3 22-3 SUNYAC
4. Union (N.Y.) 18-4 18-6 LL
5. Oneonta St. 17-4 19-5 SUNYAC Pool C
6. Ithaca 16-6 17-8 E8

Great Lakes Region
1. Hope 18-1 22-1 MIAA
2. Thomas More 19-2 23-2 Pres AC
3. DePauw 15-3 21-4 SCAC (Oglethorpe leads SCAC-West)
4. Wash. & Jeff. 18-3 22-3 Pres AC Pool C
5. Transylvania 18-3 20-5 HCAC
6. Capital 18-4 18-5 OAC

Mid-Atlantic Region
1. Scranton 21-4 21-4 LAND Pool B
2. Moravian 18-5 20-5 LAND Pool B
3. Muhlenberg 22-3 22-3 CC
4. DeSales 21-4 21-4 MACF
~~5. Messiah 20-3 22-3~~ MACC lost in semis
~~6. Alvernia 16-6 17-8~~ MACF lost in semis

Northeast Region
1. Amherst 23-1 24-1 NESCAC
2. Tufts 21-3 21-3 NESCAC Pool C
3. Brandeis 16-6 17-6 UAA Pool C
4. Bowdoin 20-4 21-4 NESCAC Pool C
5. Eastern Conn. St. 23-2 23-2 LEC
6. Western Conn. St. 19-4 20-4 LEC Pool C
7. Southern Me. 18-5 19-6 LEC Pool C
8. Keene St. 17-6 19-6 LEC Pool C

South Region
1. Oglethorpe 17-3 22-3 SCAC (leads SCAC-East)
2. Greensboro 23-0 24-1 USAC
3. Texas-Dallas 21-3 21-4 ASC
4. Mississippi Col. 21-3 22-3 ASC Pool C
5. Roanoke 20-3 22-3 ODAC
6. Randolph-Macon 17-4 20-5 ODAC Pool C

West Region
1. George Fox 20-0 25-0 NWC
2. St. Benedict 22-3 22-3 MIAC
3. Simpson 18-3 22-3 IIAC
4. Concordia-M'head 17-5 18-7 MIAC Pool C
5. St. Thomas (Minn.) 18-7 18-7 MIAC Pool C
6. Redlands 18-6 19-6 SCIAC