Pool C

[ronk]

Women's regional rankings
Records listed are in-region record, followed by overall record.
Mid-Atlantic Region
1. Scranton 21-4 21-4  LAND Pool B
2. Moravian 18-5 20-5  LAND Pool B
3. Muhlenberg 22-3 22-3  CC
4. DeSales 21-4 21-4    MACF
5. Messiah 20-3 22-3 MACC lost in semis
6. Alvernia 16-6 17-8 MACF lost in semis

Ralph,
  Scranton, Moravian, and DeSales win in semis.

[Ralph Turner]

Women's regional rankings
Records listed are in-region record, followed by overall record.
Mid-Atlantic Region
1. Scranton 21-4 21-4  LAND Pool B
2. Moravian 18-5 20-5  LAND Pool B
3. Muhlenberg 22-3 22-3  CC
4. DeSales 21-4 21-4    MACF
5. Messiah 20-3 22-3 MACC lost in semis
6. Alvernia 16-6 17-8 MACF lost in semis

Ralph,
  Scranton, Moravian, and DeSales win in semis.

Thanks.  I think that Scranton and Moravian are locks for Pool B.

[Ralph Turner]

Women's regional rankings
Records listed are in-region record, followed by overall record.

Atlantic Region
1. York (Pa.) 24-1 24-1
2. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.) 21-3 21-4
3. TCNJ 20-4 21-4
4. Kean 18-5 20-6
5. Marymount (Va.) 19-4 20-5
6. Mary Washington 18-5 20-5

Central Region
1. Ill. Wesleyan 21-0 24-0
2. Washington-St. Louis 18-4 20-4
3. Wis.-Stevens Point 21-3 22-3
4. Wis.-Whitewater 20-3 22-3 Lost to UW-Eau Claire in Seims
5. Wis.-Eau Claire 17-4 21-4
6. St. Norbert 18-2 19-4

East Region
1. Rochester 21-3 21-3
2. New York U. 20-4 20-4
3. Cortland St. 21-3 22-3
4. Union (N.Y.) 18-4 18-6
5. Oneonta St. 17-4 19-5
6. Ithaca 16-6 17-8

Great Lakes Region
1. Hope 18-1 22-1
2. Thomas More 19-2 23-2
3. DePauw 15-3 21-4 (Oglethorpe leads the SCAC)
4. Wash. & Jeff. 18-3 22-3
5. Transylvania 18-3 20-5
6. Capital 18-4 18-5

Mid-Atlantic Region
1. Scranton 21-4 21-4  Pool B
2. Moravian 18-5 20-5  Pool B
3. Muhlenberg 22-3 22-3
4. DeSales 21-4 21-4
5. Messiah 20-3 22-3  Lost in Semis
6. Alvernia 16-6 17-8  Lost in Semis

Northeast Region
1. Amherst 23-1 24-1
2. Tufts 21-3 21-3
3. Brandeis 16-6 17-6
4. Bowdoin 20-4 21-4
5. Eastern Conn. St. 23-2 23-2
6. Western Conn. St. 19-4 20-4
7. Southern Me. 18-5 19-6
8. Keene St. 17-6 19-6

South Region
1. Oglethorpe 17-3 22-3
2. Greensboro 23-0 24-1
3. Texas-Dallas 21-3 21-4
4. Mississippi Col. 21-3 22-3
5. Roanoke 20-3 22-3
6. Randolph-Macon 17-4 20-5

West Region
1. George Fox 20-0 25-0
2. St. Benedict 22-3 22-3
3. Simpson 18-3 22-3
4. Concordia-M'head 17-5 18-7
5. St. Thomas (Minn.) 18-7 18-7
6. Redlands 18-6 19-6

I have stricken the highest ranked team from each conference and have assumed that they will earn the Pool A bid.  There are 26 Pool conferences represented.  14 conferences not on the list have Pool A bids.

The remaining 22 teams are contending for the 20 Pool C bids.

Corrections appreciated.

[Ralph Turner]

Here is some perspective on the ASC.

The Conference went to an 8-team format in 2005. The East has not beaten a West team since 2006.  That means that the East #1 has lost to the West #4 in each of the last three tourneys.

The record since the beginning of this format in tourney games since 2005 is West winning 20 games, East 3 games.  No ASC-East team has appeared in the conference tourney finals since 2003 (in the four-team format).

Last week, the criteria for Regional Rankings had UT-Dallas and Mississippi College ranked in the 6 South Region teams.  The top ASC-West teams just seem to beat each other up.

Those facts are not in the criteria, but the last 2 South Region teams to make the Final Four were HSU in 2006 as a Pool C and undefeated HPU in 2008.

I encourage fans to catch the UMHB-HSU videostream at 1:30 and the McM-HPU game at 4pm.

[golden_dome]

Here is some perspective on the ASC.

The Conference went to an 8-team format in 2005. The East has not beaten a West team since 2006.  That means that the East #1 has lost to the West #4 in each of the last three tourneys.

The record since the beginning of this format in tourney games since 2005 is West winning 20 games, East 3 games.  No ASC-East team has appeared in the conference tourney finals since 2003 (in the four-team format).

Last week, the criteria for Regional Rankings had UT-Dallas and Mississippi College ranked in the 6 South Region teams.  The top ASC-West teams just seem to beat each other up.

Those facts are not in the criteria, but the last 2 South Region teams to make the Final Four were HSU in 2006 as a Pool C and undefeated HPU in 2008.

I encourage fans to catch the UMHB-HSU videostream at 1:30 and the McM-HPU game at 4pm.

Ralph,
I don't think the last two seasons will have anything to do with this year's Pool C selection. UTD went 8-0 against the West and MC went 6-2 this year. UTD beat McMurry and Hardin-Simmons on the road this year, and also beat Howard Payne by 22 at home.  MC beat HSU on the road this year and lost very close games to Howard Payne and McMurry also on the road.

I don't think the last three years has anything to do with this year's tournament. If UTD and MC have better criteria for this year, then they should be selected as Pool C's. If HSU, McMurry or HPU have better criteria, then they should earn selection as well. The west had a better tourney showing this year, MC and UTD had more impressive regular seasons.

[SabineBBall]

I agree Chris.  Like I said on the other thread if 2 teams from the west get in over UTD or MC that will be garbage.  I think I will root for HPU to win it all so McM doesn't have a shot either!

[Ralph Turner]

Women's regional rankings
Records listed are in-region record, followed by overall record.

Atlantic Region
1. York (Pa.) 24-1 24-1      CAC
2. Mt. St. Mary (N.Y.) 21-3 21-4  SKY
3. TCNJ 20-4 21-4                NJAC  Advances to Finals (67-47 over WPU)
4. Kean 18-5 20-6                NJAC  Pool C  Advances to Finals (76-55 over MSU)
5. Marymount (Va.) 19-4 20-5  CAC Pool C
6. Mary Washington 18-5 20-5   CAC Pool C

Central Region
1. Ill. Wesleyan 21-0 24-0              CCIW         
2. Washington-St. Louis 18-4 20-4  UAA    Pool A
3. Wis.-Stevens Point 21-3 22-3      WIAC
4. Wis.-Whitewater 20-3 22-3          WIAC  Pool C
5. Wis.-Eau Claire 17-4 21-4           WIAC   Pool C
6. St. Norbert 18-2 19-4                 MWC

East Region
1. Rochester 21-3 21-3       UAA Pool C (WashStL has AQ)         
2. New York U. 20-4 20-4    UAA Pool C
3. Cortland St. 21-3 22-3    SUNYAC
4. Union (N.Y.) 18-4 18-6    LL
5. Oneonta St. 17-4 19-5    SUNYAC  Pool C
6. Ithaca 16-6 17-8            E8

Great Lakes Region
1. Hope 18-1 22-1             MIAA
2. Thomas More 19-2 23-2   Pres AC
3. DePauw 15-3 21-4          SCAC  (Oglethorpe leads SCAC-West)
4. Wash. & Jeff. 18-3 22-3   Pres AC Pool C
5. Transylvania 18-3 20-5    HCAC
6. Capital 18-4 18-5            OAC

Mid-Atlantic Region
1. Scranton 21-4 21-4  LAND Pool B
2. Moravian 18-5 20-5  LAND Pool B
3. Muhlenberg 22-3 22-3  CC
4. DeSales 21-4 21-4    MACF
5. Messiah 20-3 22-3 MACC lost in semis
6. Alvernia 16-6 17-8 MACF lost in semis

Northeast Region
1. Amherst 23-1 24-1   NESCAC
2. Tufts 21-3 21-3       NESCAC  Pool C
3. Brandeis 16-6 17-6   UAA       Pool C
4. Bowdoin 20-4 21-4   NESCAC   Pool C
5. Eastern Conn. St. 23-2 23-2  LEC
6. Western Conn. St. 19-4 20-4  LEC Pool C
7. Southern Me. 18-5 19-6         LEC Pool C
8. Keene St. 17-6 19-6              LEC Pool C

South Region
1. Oglethorpe 17-3 22-3       SCAC (leads SCAC-East)
2. Greensboro 23-0 24-1       USAC
3. Texas-Dallas 21-3 21-4      ASC
4. Mississippi Col. 21-3 22-3   ASC Pool C
5. Roanoke 20-3 22-3            ODAC
6. Randolph-Macon 17-4 20-5   ODAC Pool C

West Region
1. George Fox 20-0 25-0          NWC
2. St. Benedict 22-3 22-3        MIAC
3. Simpson 18-3 22-3              IIAC
4. Concordia-M'head 17-5 18-7     MIAC Pool C
5. St. Thomas (Minn.) 18-7 18-7  MIAC Pool C
6. Redlands 18-6 19-6                 SCIAC

[Ralph Turner]

Let's look at what is happening in the South.  After "Round #1" we see these outcomes with round #2 in parentheses.

South Region
1. Oglethorpe 17-3 22-3       SCAC Won ODAC QF (Plays Centre)*
2. Greensboro 23-0 24-1       USAC  Won USA South Semi (Plays at host CNU in Finals)
3. Texas-Dallas 21-3 21-4      ASC   Lost in ASC QF's
4. Mississippi Col. 21-3 22-3   ASC Lost in ASC QF's
5. Roanoke 20-3 22-3            ODAC   Won ODAC QF (Plays Bridgewater in Semis)
6. Randolph-Macon 17-4 20-5   ODAC  Won ODAC QF (Plays VWC in semis)

Next "on the table"...

McMurry  18-4 20-5  (only other team to have appeared in any of the 3 Regional Rankings)

Maryville 18-5 18-8 GSAC regular season winner; plays Huntingdon for the AQ.

*DePauw (Great Lakes Region) plays Trinity in SCAC Semis.

What will the Final Rankings look like?

The two ASC finalists will have two more wins that improve all criteria.

I think that we ASC fans need Oglethorpe to win the AQ to push DPU into the top rung of the GL Region's Pool C list.  DePauw comes off in the first 8, and the top Pool C from the South is coming off earlier.

[buf]

POOL C WATCH

I did this mainly for the WIAC board, but I suppose others could benefit from this. 

Below are the conferences that get an automatic qualifier with the teams that have regional records similar to or better than the 3 WIAC schools in Pool C contention.  The number after the teams record is their strength of schedule ranking.  This info is based on games through Wednesday (both record and SOS).  I apologize for any errors.  Remember, a lot of these teams will get Pool A bids.

Allegheny Mountain Collegiate Conference
     Pit Greensburg (18-2), 311

American Southwest Conference
     Texas-Dallas (21-3), 211
     Mississippi College (21-3), 208
     McMurray (18-4), 260

Capital Athletic Conference
     York (24-1), 298
     Marymount (19-4), 99

Centennial Conference
     Muhlenberg (22-3), 82

City University of New York Athletic Conference
     Baruch (20-4), 94
     Staten Island (18-4), 113

College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
     IWU (23-0), 80

Commonwealth Coast Conference
     Nichols (23-3), 182
     Endicott (20-4), 147

Empire 8
     None

Great Northeast Athletic Conference
     Norwich (18-4), 203

Great South Athletic Conference
     None

Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference
     Transylvania (18-3), 79

Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
     Simpson (18-3), 150

Liberty League
     Union (18-4), 88

Little East Conference
     Eastern Conn (24-2), 164
     Western Conn (20-4), 138

Massachusetts State College Athletic Conference
     Westfield State (19-4), 95

Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association
     Hope (19-1), 309

Middle Atlantic Commonwealth
     Messiah (21-4), 30

Middle Atlantic Freedom
     Desales (22-4), 24

Midwest Conference
     St. Norbert (18-2), 112

Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
     St. Bens (22-3), 174

New England Small College Athletic Conference
     Amherst (23-1), 49
     Bowdoin (20-4), 5
     Tufts (21-3), 12

New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference
     None

New Jersey Athletic Conference
     New Jersey (21-4), 135

North Atlantic Conference
     None

North Coast Athletic Conference
     None

North Eastern Athletic Conference
     

Northern Athletics Conference
     Concordia (20-4), 152

Northwest Conference
     George Fox (20-0), 252

Ohio Athletic Conference
     Capital (20-4), 227

Old Dominion Athletic Conference
     Roanoke (21-3), 248

Pennsylvania Athletic Conference

Presidents Athletic Conference
     Thomas More (20-2), 171
     Wash & Jeff (19-3), 121

St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
     Maryville (18-2), 224

Skyline Conference
     Mt. St. Mary (21-3), 126

Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
     Occidental (19-4), 339

Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
     Oglethorpe (18-3), 23
     Depauw (15-3), 27

State University of New York Athletic Conference
     Cortland St. (22-3), 266
     Oneonta St. (19-4), 185

University Athletic Association
     WashU (18-4), 8
     Rochester (21-3), 3
     NYU (20-4), 9
     Brandeis (16-6)

USA South Athletic Conference
     Greensboro (24-0), 272

Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
     UWSP (21-3), 45
     UWW (20-3), 31
     UWEC (18-4), 17

[Titan Q]

IWU vs Carthage, live video...

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/iwu_basketball

Halftime: IWU 35 CC 25

[Mr. Ypsi]

Good news for Pool C hopefuls - IWU wins the AQ by 20.

[bbald eagle]

but bad news for C hopefuls: York lost its AQ by 11. York will gobble up a C slot for sure.

[pabegg]

Very belated, and now outdated by today's results, here are my Saturday morning Pool C projections:

There are Locks, 100% in; Probables, 98% in; In Contention, >50% in, and others (which I'm not listing here).

Locks eliminated already (2)

Messiah
UW-Whitewater
Rochester (r/s Sat)

Locks playing conference final (7)

DeSales (F Sat)
Greensboro (F Sat)
Hope (F Sat)
Thomas More (F Sat)
Illinois Wesleyan (F Sat)
UW-Stevens Point (F Sat)
George Fox (F Sat)

Locks playing conference semifinal (7)

Amherst (SF Sat)
Muhlenberg (SF Sat)
Oglethorpe (SF Sat)
Tufts (SF Sat)
DePauw (SF Sat)

This means there are at least 5 and potentially 15 Pool C bids here.

Probables eliminated already (2)

Brandeis (r/s Sat)
New York University (r/s Sat)

Probables playing conference final

Eastern Connecticut (F Sat)
York (Pa.) (F Sat)
Mount St. Mary (F Sat)
Transylvania (F Sat)
St. Norbert (F Sat)
St. Benedict (F Sat)
Simpson (F Sat)
Washington and Jefferson (F Sat)

Probables playing conference final as Pool A underdog (1)

UW-Eau Claire (F Sat)

Probables playing conference semifinal as Pool A underdog (1)

Bowdoin (SF Sat)

Combined, there are at least 9 Pool C bids in the top 2 tiers; in the worst case, they would need 26 bids and 6 of these schools would be out.

In Contention eliminated already (6)

Chicago (r/s Sat)
Western Connecticut
Keene State
Marymount
Mississippi College
Texas-Dallas

In Contention playing each other in conference final (1)

New Jersey (F Sat)
Kean (F Sat)

In Contention playing in conference final (3)

Concordia (Wis.) (F Sat)
Maryville (Mo.) (F Sat)
Capital (F Sat)

In Contention playing in conference final as underdog (1)

Southern Maine (F Sat)

There are at least 8 Pool C bids here, so it is theoretically possible that 3 bids could drop to the next tier, but I'd not count on it.

[jumphigh]

no pool c needed in the skyline MSMC beat Farmingdale 86-56

[bearsfan]

Updating pabegg's predictions based on yesterdays results to remove those already winning Pool As and those who have already lost:

Locks eliminated already (6)

Messiah
UW-Whitewater
Rochester
Greensboro
Tufts
DePauw

Locks playing conference final (3)

Amherst (F Sun)
Muhlenberg (F Sun)
Oglethorpe (F Sun)

This means there are at least 6 and potentially 9 Pool C bids here.

Probables eliminated already (7)

Brandeis
New York University
Eastern Connecticut
York (Pa.)
St. Norbert
Washington and Jefferson
UW-Eau Claire

Probables playing conference final as Pool A underdog (1)

Bowdoin (F Sun)

There are at least 7 Pool C bids here and possibly 8.

In Contention eliminated already (7)

Chicago
Western Connecticut
Keene State
Marymount
Mississippi College
Texas-Dallas
Kean

There are at least 7 Pool C bids here.

This list accounts for 24 teams of which 20 are already eliminated. Those in tier 3 (in contention) should start cheering for Amherst, Muhlenberg, and Oglethorpe to win today to make sure their are a couple spots for them to fight over. Should be noted that Bowdoin plays Amherst in that final so one of the two would lose so best case, their would be 14 spots taken by the locks and probables leaving 6 open spots for the in contention tier.