Pool C

[Augie2020]

Well Baldwin Wallace is taking a pool C away from someone by losing to Marietta 71-65

No bid thief IMO. I think BW, ONU, and Marietta were all in anyway. Same number of bids taken up.

Okay I thought they are in the top 16 also

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Updated through games of 2/23

--- Region 1 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Tufts --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/25 vs #7 Middlebury
2 --- Trinity (Conn.) --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/25 vs #4 Williams
3 --- Amherst --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/18 @ #2 Trinity (Conn)
4 --- Williams --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/25 vs #2 Trininty (Conn)
5 --- Framingham State --- 17-5 --- 17-5 --- SF 2/24 vs Westfield St
6 --- Bridgewater State --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/24 vs Worcester St
7 --- Middlebury --- 15-10 --- 15-10 --- SF 2/25 @ #1 Tufts

--- Region 2 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Smith --- 24-1 --- 24-1 --- SF 2/24 vs #6 Springfield
2 --- Babson --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/24 vs MIT
3 --- Rhode Island College --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/25 @ #4 Eastern Connecticut
4 --- Eastern Connecticut  --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 vs #3 Rhode Island College
5 --- Roger Williams --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/25 TBD
6 --- Springfield --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- SF 2/24 @ #1 Smith
7 --- Mass-Dartmouth --- 16-9 --- 16-9 --- Lost @ #3 Rhode Island College

--- Region 3 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Ithaca --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- SF 2/24 vs RPI
2 --- SUNY New Paltz --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- SF 2/24 vs SUNY Geneseo
3 --- Cortland --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/24 vs SUNY Oneota
4 --- Rochester  --- 16-8 --- 16-8 --- 2/25 vs Reg 6 #5 Emory
5 --- St. John Fisher --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- SF 2/24 vs Elmira
6 --- Skidmore --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/24 vs #7 Vassar
7 --- Vassar --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- SF 2/24 vs #6 Skidmore

--- Region 4 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- NYU --- 21-2 --- 21-2 --- 2/24 vs Brandeis
2 --- DeSales --- 22-1 --- 24-1 --- F 2/25 vs #3 Stevens
3 --- Stevens --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 @ #2 DeSales
4 --- Misericordia --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/22 @ #3 Stevens
5 --- New Jersey City --- 14-8 --- 14-10 --- F 2/25 vs #6 Rowan
6 --- Rowan --- 18-8 --- 18-8 --- F 2/25 A #5 New Jersey City
7 --- Kean --- 16-9 --- 16-9 --- Lost 2/22 @ #6 Rowan

--- Region 5 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Scranton --- 25-0 --- 25-0 --- F 2/25 vs #5 Elizabethtown
2 --- Messiah --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- F 2/25 vs Alvernia
3 --- Gettysburg --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/24 vs Washington College
4 --- Marymount --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 vs Cabrini
5 --- Elizabethtown --- 21-3 --- 21-3 --- F 2/25 @ #1 Scranton
6 --- Johns Hopkins --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/24 vs Haverford
7 --- Catholic --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/22 @ #5 Elizabethtown

--- Region 6 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Christopher Newport --- 23-0 --- 24-0 --- SF 2/24 vs Finlandia
2 --- Mary Washington --- 18-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/24 vs Reg 10 #7 UC Santa Cruz
3 --- Washington and Lee --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/25 vs Randolph
4 --- Randolph-Macon --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Lost 2/23 vs Shenandoah
5 --- Emory --- 15-7 --- 16-7 --- 2/25 vs Reg 3 #4 Rochester
6 --- Guilford --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/23 vs Randolph
7 --- Bridgewater (Va.) --- 19-5 --- 19-5 --- SF 2/25 vs Shenandoah

--- Region 7 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Ohio Northern --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 vs #4 Marietta
2 --- Baldwin Wallace --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Lost 2/23 vs #4 Marietta
3 --- Hope --- 22-2 --- 23-2 --- SF 2/24 vs Albion
4 --- Marietta --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/25 @ #1 Ohio Northern
5 --- Trine --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/24 vs #6 Calvin
6 --- Calvin --- 19-5 --- 20-5 --- SF 2/24 vs #5 Trine
7 --- Washington & Jefferson --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Lost 2/22 vs Chatham

--- Region 8 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Transylvania --- 25-0 --- 25-0 --- SF 2/24 vs Bluffton
2 --- Washington U. --- 17-7 --- 17-7 --- 2/25 @ #3 Chicago
3 --- Chicago --- 20-4 --- 20-4 --- 2/25 vs #@ WashU
4 --- Millikin --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/24 vs IWU
5 --- Augustana --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- SF 2/24 vs Carroll
6 --- Hanover --- 16-7 --- 16-7 --- SF 2/24 vs Mt St Joseph
7 --- Webster --- 21-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/25 vs Westminster (MO)

--- Region 9 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- UW-Whitewater --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/24 vs #3 UW Oshkosh
2 --- Loras --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 @ #5 Wartburg
3 --- UW-Oshkosh --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/24 @ #1 UW Whitewater
4 --- UW-Eau Claire --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/24 vs #7 UW Stout
5 --- Wartburg --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- F 2/25 vs #2 Loras
6 --- Gustavus Adolphus --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- SF 2/24 vs St Benedict
7 --- UW-Stout --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/24 @ #4 UW Eau Claire

--- Region 10 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Trinity (Texas) --- 24-1 --- 24-1 --- SF 2/25 vs TBD
2 --- Hardin-Simmons --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- SF 2/24 vs Texas-Dallas
3 --- Puget Sound --- 19-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/24 vs Pacific
4 --- Colorado College --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/25 vs TBD
5 --- East Texas Baptist --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/24 vs #6 Mary Hardin-Baylor
6 --- Mary Hardin-Baylor --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/24 vs #5 East Texas Baptist
7 --- UC Santa Cruz --- 10-4 --- 17-6 --- SF 2/24 vs Reg 6 #2 Mary Washington

[Ralph Turner]

ASC Semifinals

UTDallas 73  HSU 71

ETBU 68, UMHB 65 (OT)

[scottiedawg]

As I posted on Twitter ->

While not a 100% guaranteed Bid Thief situation, Texas Dallas beating Hardin-Simmons is a likely one, as Texas Dallas needs the Pool A, and ETBU's Pool C chances are slim. It is likely the ASC will steal a bid from the field.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Updated through games of 2/24

--- Region 1 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Tufts --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/25 vs #7 Middlebury
2 --- Trinity (Conn.) --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/25 vs #4 Williams
3 --- Amherst --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/18 @ #2 Trinity (Conn)
4 --- Williams --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/25 vs #2 Trininty (Conn)
5 --- Framingham State --- 17-5 --- 17-5 --- Lost 2/24 vs Westfield St
6 --- Bridgewater State --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/25 vs Westfield St
7 --- Middlebury --- 15-10 --- 15-10 --- SF 2/25 @ #1 Tufts

--- Region 2 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Smith --- 24-1 --- 24-1 --- F 2/26 vs #2 Babson
2 --- Babson --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/26 @ #1 Smith
3 --- Rhode Island College --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/25 @ #4 Eastern Connecticut
4 --- Eastern Connecticut  --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 vs #3 Rhode Island College
5 --- Roger Williams --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/25 TBD
6 --- Springfield --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/24 @ #1 Smith
7 --- Mass-Dartmouth --- 16-9 --- 16-9 --- Lost 2/23 @ #3 Rhode Island College

--- Region 3 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Ithaca --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/26 vs #6 Skidmore
2 --- SUNY New Paltz --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/25 vs #3 Cortland
3 --- Cortland --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 @ #2 SUNY New Paltz
4 --- Rochester  --- 16-8 --- 16-8 --- 2/25 vs Reg 6 #5 Emory
5 --- St. John Fisher --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- F 2/25 vs Nazareth
6 --- Skidmore --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- F 2/26 @ Ithaca
7 --- Vassar --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/24 vs #6 Skidmore

--- Region 4 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- NYU --- 21-2 --- 21-2 --- Conf Champ Pool A
2 --- DeSales --- 22-1 --- 24-1 --- F 2/25 vs #3 Stevens
3 --- Stevens --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 @ #2 DeSales
4 --- Misericordia --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/22 @ #3 Stevens
5 --- New Jersey City --- 14-8 --- 14-10 --- F 2/25 vs #6 Rowan
6 --- Rowan --- 18-8 --- 18-8 --- F 2/25 A #5 New Jersey City
7 --- Kean --- 16-9 --- 16-9 --- Lost 2/22 @ #6 Rowan

--- Region 5 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Scranton --- 25-0 --- 25-0 --- F 2/25 vs #5 Elizabethtown
2 --- Messiah --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- F 2/25 vs Alvernia
3 --- Gettysburg --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/26 @ #6 Johns Hopkins
4 --- Marymount --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 vs Cabrini
5 --- Elizabethtown --- 21-3 --- 21-3 --- F 2/25 @ #1 Scranton
6 --- Johns Hopkins --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- F 2/26 vs #3 Gettysburg
7 --- Catholic --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/22 @ #5 Elizabethtown

--- Region 6 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Christopher Newport --- 23-0 --- 24-0 --- F 2/25 vs #2 Mary Washington
2 --- Mary Washington --- 18-5 --- 20-5 --- F 2/25 @ #1 Christopher Newport
3 --- Washington and Lee --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- SF 2/25 vs Randolph
4 --- Randolph-Macon --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Lost 2/23 vs Shenandoah
5 --- Emory --- 15-7 --- 16-7 --- 2/25 vs Reg 3 #4 Rochester
6 --- Guilford --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/23 vs Randolph
7 --- Bridgewater (Va.) --- 19-5 --- 19-5 --- SF 2/25 vs Shenandoah

--- Region 7 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Ohio Northern --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 vs #4 Marietta
2 --- Baldwin Wallace --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Lost 2/23 vs #4 Marietta
3 --- Hope --- 22-2 --- 23-2 --- F 2/25 vs #5 Trine
4 --- Marietta --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/25 @ #1 Ohio Northern
5 --- Trine --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- F 2/25 @ #3 Hope
6 --- Calvin --- 19-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/24 vs #5 Trine
7 --- Washington & Jefferson --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Lost 2/22 vs Chatham

--- Region 8 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Transylvania --- 25-0 --- 25-0 --- F 2/25 vs #6 Hanover
2 --- Washington U. --- 17-7 --- 17-7 --- 2/25 @ #3 Chicago
3 --- Chicago --- 20-4 --- 20-4 --- 2/25 vs #@ WashU
4 --- Millikin --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 vs #5 Augustana
5 --- Augustana --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- F @/25 @ #4 Millikin
6 --- Hanover --- 16-7 --- 16-7 --- F 2/25 @ #1 Transylvania
7 --- Webster --- 21-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/25 vs Westminster (MO)

--- Region 9 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- UW-Whitewater --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/25 vs #4 UW Eau Claire
2 --- Loras --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/25 @ #5 Wartburg
3 --- UW-Oshkosh --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/24 @ #1 UW Whitewater
4 --- UW-Eau Claire --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- F 2/25 @ #1 UW Whitewater
5 --- Wartburg --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- F 2/25 vs #2 Loras
6 --- Gustavus Adolphus --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- F 2/25 vs Concordia-Moorhead
7 --- UW-Stout --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/24 @ #4 UW Eau Claire

--- Region 10 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Trinity (Texas) --- 24-1 --- 24-1 --- SF 2/25 vs Texas Lutheran
2 --- Hardin-Simmons --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Lost 2/24 vs Texas-Dallas
3 --- Puget Sound --- 19-4 --- 21-4 --- SF 2/24 vs Pacific
4 --- Colorado College --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- SF 2/25 vs Schreiner
5 --- East Texas Baptist --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/25 vs Texas-Dallas
6 --- Mary Hardin-Baylor --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/24 vs #5 East Texas Baptist
7 --- UC Santa Cruz --- 10-4 --- 17-6 --- Lost 2/24 vs Reg 6 #2 Mary Washington

[Augie2020]

The excitement begins to find out who will be hosting etc.Mr Maus nice job.The only thing I have with it is teams with 8-9 losses getting in.I understand that a team like Rochester at 16-9 getting in ove a team that has a record of say 20-6.My opinion only will see but D3 usually nails it almost all of the time.

[names jaismith]

The D3 tournament selection is a joke, way too weighted on inclusion over quality. Take a team like Rochester for example.  16-9 but I think 6 wins over RRO.  Convincing double digit wins over StJF, Messiah, Ithaca.  Sure they struggled a bit in their league, but put them in far far weaker conferences like the SUNYAC, LL, E8, Landmark and many others where there are a large number of pretty much guaranteed wins and they'd be sitting on 22 wins at least.  So for New Paltz to get in over Rochester would be a complete travesty. Who did New Pal beat that was actually any good? If New Paltz was in the UAA they'd be dead last.

[saratoga]

Names:

I hear your argument & it comes up every year...just the nature of the beast.
Kind of like hearing a Power D-1 complain they were left out of the tournament with a 18-10 record playing in the ACC or Big 10 yet a school like Bucknell or Lehigh get the automatic.

The fact is, Rochester did themselves no favors by losing to Brandeis (the Judges only UAA win) nor did they help themselves by losing 8 out of their last 11 games.

If Lehigh was in the ACC, they'd be dead last too.
But, they aren't...they are in the Patriot & they or another member will be getting an AQ.

Rochester controlled their own destiny...just didn't do a very good job down the stretch this year.

If I'm on the committee...no way do they get my vote.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Updated through games of 2/25

--- Region 1 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Tufts --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/26 vs #2 Trinity
2 --- Trinity (Conn.) --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/26 @ #1 Tufts
3 --- Amherst --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/18 @ #2 Trinity (Conn)
4 --- Williams --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/25 vs #2 Trininty (Conn)
5 --- Framingham State --- 17-5 --- 17-5 --- Lost 2/24 vs Westfield St
6 --- Bridgewater State --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/26 vs Westfield St
7 --- Middlebury --- 15-10 --- 15-10 --- Lost 2/25 @ #1 Tufts

--- Region 2 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Smith --- 24-1 --- 24-1 --- F 2/26 vs #2 Babson
2 --- Babson --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- F 2/26 @ #1 Smith
3 --- Rhode Island College --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
4 --- Eastern Connecticut  --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Lost 2/25 vs #3 Rhode Island College
5 --- Roger Williams --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/26 vs Endicott
6 --- Springfield --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/24 @ #1 Smith
7 --- Mass-Dartmouth --- 16-9 --- 16-9 --- Lost 2/23 @ #3 Rhode Island College

--- Region 3 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Ithaca --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- F 2/26 vs #6 Skidmore
2 --- SUNY New Paltz --- 22-3 --- 22-3 --- Lost 2/25 vs #3 Cortland
3 --- Cortland --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
4 --- Rochester  --- 16-8 --- 16-8 --- Lost vs Reg 6 #5 Emory
5 --- St. John Fisher --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
6 --- Skidmore --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- F 2/26 @ Ithaca
7 --- Vassar --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost 2/24 vs #6 Skidmore

--- Region 4 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- NYU --- 21-2 --- 21-2 --- Conf Champ Pool A
2 --- DeSales --- 22-1 --- 24-1 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
3 --- Stevens --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Lost 2/25 @ #2 DeSales
4 --- Misericordia --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/22 @ #3 Stevens
5 --- New Jersey City --- 14-8 --- 14-10 --- Lost 2/25 vs #6 Rowan
6 --- Rowan --- 18-8 --- 18-8 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
7 --- Kean --- 16-9 --- 16-9 --- Lost 2/22 @ #6 Rowan

--- Region 5 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Scranton --- 25-0 --- 25-0 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
2 --- Messiah --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
3 --- Gettysburg --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/26 @ #6 Johns Hopkins
4 --- Marymount --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
5 --- Elizabethtown --- 21-3 --- 21-3 --- Lost 2/25 @ #1 Scranton
6 --- Johns Hopkins --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- F 2/26 vs #3 Gettysburg
7 --- Catholic --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/22 @ #5 Elizabethtown

--- Region 6 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Christopher Newport --- 23-0 --- 24-0 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
2 --- Mary Washington --- 18-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/25 @ #1 Christopher Newport
3 --- Washington and Lee --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/26 vs Shenandoah
4 --- Randolph-Macon --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Lost 2/23 vs Shenandoah
5 --- Emory --- 15-7 --- 16-7 --- Won 2/25 vs Reg 3 #4 Rochester
6 --- Guilford --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/23 vs Randolph
7 --- Bridgewater (Va.) --- 19-5 --- 19-5 --- Lost 2/25 vs Shenandoah

--- Region 7 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Ohio Northern --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
2 --- Baldwin Wallace --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Lost 2/23 vs #4 Marietta
3 --- Hope --- 22-2 --- 23-2 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
4 --- Marietta --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Lost 2/25 @ #1 Ohio Northern
5 --- Trine --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/25 @ #3 Hope
6 --- Calvin --- 19-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/24 vs #5 Trine
7 --- Washington & Jefferson --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Lost 2/22 vs Chatham

--- Region 8 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Transylvania --- 25-0 --- 25-0 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
2 --- Washington U. --- 17-7 --- 17-7 --- Lost 2/25 @ #3 Chicago
3 --- Chicago --- 20-4 --- 20-4 --- Won 2/25 vs #@ WashU
4 --- Millikin --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
5 --- Augustana --- 17-8 --- 17-8 --- Lost @/25 @ #4 Millikin
6 --- Hanover --- 16-7 --- 16-7 --- Lost 2/25 @ #1 Transylvania
7 --- Webster --- 21-3 --- 22-3 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A

--- Region 9 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- UW-Whitewater --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- F 2/26 vs #4 UW Eau Claire
2 --- Loras --- 21-4 --- 21-4 --- Conf Tourny Champ Pool A
3 --- UW-Oshkosh --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/24 @ #1 UW Whitewater
4 --- UW-Eau Claire --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- F 2/26 @ #1 UW Whitewater
5 --- Wartburg --- 20-5 --- 20-5 --- Lost 2/25 vs #2 Loras
6 --- Gustavus Adolphus --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- F 2/26 vs Concordia-Moorhead
7 --- UW-Stout --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/24 @ #4 UW Eau Claire

--- Region 10 --- vs. D3 --- Overall --- Next game/Conf Tourney Exit
1 --- Trinity (Texas) --- 24-1 --- 24-1 --- F 2/26 vs #4 Colorado College
2 --- Hardin-Simmons --- 23-2 --- 23-2 --- Lost 2/24 vs Texas-Dallas
3 --- Puget Sound --- 19-4 --- 21-4 --- Lost SF 2/24 vs Pacific
4 --- Colorado College --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- F 2/26 @ #1 Trinity (Texas)
5 --- East Texas Baptist --- 19-6 --- 19-6 --- Lost 2/25 vs Texas-Dallas
6 --- Mary Hardin-Baylor --- 18-7 --- 18-7 --- Lost 2/24 vs #5 East Texas Baptist
7 --- UC Santa Cruz --- 10-4 --- 17-6 --- Lost 2/24 vs Reg 6 #2 Mary Washington

[names jaismith]

Re comments on Rochester - it was just an example.  I have no problem with an AQ.  Just that some very weak conferences have a chance at 2 spots simply because they don't play anyone else outside of conference.  I used Rochester as an example (I never went or played there or had a kid who did) because in their non conference schedule they sought out other strong teams - Ithaca/Messiah/STJ Fisher and drubbed them.  What I am saying is that for Pool C should be selected on a  more objective rating system like the Massey ratings.  That way there would be a better balance between participation through AQ and actual strength as a team.  It would be a better tournament, too.

[thebear]

Rochester played 11 non-conference games, 7 were at home, 4 on the road, all within 2 hour drive of campus, Brockport [20 miles], Buffalo St. [73 miles], Hamilton [133 miles] & Geneva [48 miles]. 

Brockport was 9-9 [5th place] in the SUNYAC and lost to Rochester 67-54, New Paltz beat them twice by 15 and 23.

Buffalo State was LAST [1-17] in the SUNYAC and lost to Rochester, 71-56, while New Paltz beat them twice by 66 [not a typo] and 29.

Having been the budget officer for athletics, particularly with UAA travel expenses, I can understand picking non-conference opponents closer to home, but also I question whether or not the UAA should be in its own region, since their conference games are not easily comparable to the other schools in their NCAA region. 

JMHO

[deiscanton]

Names:

I hear your argument & it comes up every year...just the nature of the beast.
Kind of like hearing a Power D-1 complain they were left out of the tournament with a 18-10 record playing in the ACC or Big 10 yet a school like Bucknell or Lehigh get the automatic.

The fact is, Rochester did themselves no favors by losing to Brandeis (the Judges only UAA win) nor did they help themselves by losing 8 out of their last 11 games.

If Lehigh was in the ACC, they'd be dead last too.
But, they aren't...they are in the Patriot & they or another member will be getting an AQ.

BTW, Boston U is leading the Patriot League this year, for the record.  i wonder if their coach, Melissa Graves, could handle a top DIII league-- she only has experience playing and coaching in DI.

Rochester controlled their own destiny...just didn't do a very good job down the stretch this year.

If I'm on the committee...no way do they get my vote.

[names jaismith]

I don't get the logic of this.  UR played and beat Ithaca, SJFisher and Messiah. Some years it might be mostly away and not home, so whatever.  It has nothing to do with money.  Aren't all those teams on like 2 losses?  Like most teams in D3 UR has local relationships to maintain.   My point isn't really only about Rochester, I just used them as an exmple - for Pool C let's use Massey ratings so as to get the best possible tournament.

[scottiedawg]

It's a great discussion to continually have!

I do favor systems that are objective as possible.  While the current NCAA system is very objective (IMO), your statement that a system like Massey is MORE objective is 100% true.

I've gone back and forth whether we gain something from the subjectivity involved with the committee getting to decide relative weight between all Primary and Secondary criteria.  I don't think the subjectivity results in any "hidden decisions." I would like a bit more consistency, which something more objective would get us.

I'd also appreciate a more "linear" treatment of the data, as opposed to the apparent "elbows/thresholds" I think I'm seeing.

I do think the NCAA WANTS the current system that penalizes teams in strong regions and "helps" teams in weak regions. I think the NCAA wants some mechanism to keep the national tournament as national as possible.

I would agree it results in NOT the 19 best basketball teams selected for Pool C.

I think teams like Springfield, Amherst, UW-Stout, Rochester are probably better basketball teams than say SUNY New Paltz, Stevens, Elizabethtown.

[Augie2020]

See and I like the RPI or RTG system that was used and someone I follow  uses it well and it explains everything up to date.For instance let's compare Rochester vs New Paltz.Both fighting for pool c So okay Rochester WP% .640 ,SOS.599,RPI-RTG.638 ranked 56th pool C rank 29th, vs d3 16-9 vrro5-6 overall 16-9 Ranked 7th in the regional rankings on his web page Scottiedawg has them 54th.New Paltz-Is 3rd in same region,WP%.852,SOS.563,RPI-RTG-26 pool C rank 10th,vs d3 23-4,vrro2-4,Overall 23-4 .If I did not put up names Rochester (Didnt even come close to winnning its conference)is team A and New Paltz is Team B what team would you pick for pool C ?A team 16-9 or Team B at 23-4 made the conference championship game(I remember back a couple years ago that had some weight bearing for the committee) not sure about today?