Pool C

[NYCGATORfan]

Out of curiosity, does Baruch have any shot at all of earning an at-large?

[Pat Coleman]

Doesn't look that way, no.

[bearsfan]

So if the matchups are Central paired with the West, any thoughts on how the Pool C bids would shake out. If you figure 16 teams in the bracket for that side, then 11 are taken by automatics or Pool B bids:
Central
Wash U - UAA
Wheaton - CCIW
Maryville - SLIAC
Lake Forest - MWC
UW-Stout - WIAC
Concordia(Wis) - NATHC - Pool B
West
Luther - IIAC
St. Benedict - MIAC
George Fox - NWC
La Verne - SCIAC
Chapman - IND - Pool B

If you look at the remaining candidates ranked by QOWI you have:

Carroll - MWC - 10.440
Puget Sound - NWC - 10.333
UW-Whitewater - WIAC - 10.261
Ill Wesleyan - CCIW - 10.083
Simpson - IIAC - 10.045
Gustavus Adolphus - MIAC - 10.000
Chicago - UAA - 9.913

Do you think they would give them out in that order which would end up with 9 bids to the Central and 7 bids to the West. Or do you think they would pass up Ill Wesleyan in favor of a bid to Gustavus Adolphus? Just wondering what thoughts people might have.

[Fawkes316]

With the NATHC getting a Pool B bid this season is it possible that Benedictine might get a pool B bid as well. That would mean another Central Region team. Granted they are supposed to select at-large teams without regard to region, but that may be an issue.

I think that Illinois Wesleyan deserves to get into the tournament.

[gacbacker]

Illinois Wesleyan has lost 4 of their last 6...I'm sorry they don't deserve it.

[Fawkes316]

10.083   7   Illinois Wesleyan   0.833 (20-4)   22-5

Their record is pretty good; they have the 7th best QoWI in the region. They beat DePauw and Wheaton (granted lost to them twice too.

Then again some bad things have been happening in tournament games today. Williams lost and Bowdoin is losing.

[gacbacker]

Bowdoin now up by 4...and Depauw up by 3...early in the second half.

[Fawkes316]

If you look at the work that the region committee will do before the national call, they will probably rank Carroll first in the region among Pool Cs. Then the second spot has to be between UW-Whitewater and Illinois Wesleyan. Whitewater's QoWI is slightly better, but IWU has a better region record and they beat Wheaton once and Whitewater lost to them.

[gacbacker]

You have to remember that the QoWI isn't the end all statistic here....straight up wins and losses has to count for something and Whitewater has 7 losses which should put them on the bubble when it comes to a Pool C bid.

[Fawkes316]

Right. Actually, I am trying to argue that Illinois Wesleyan would be the second team (as opposed to Whitewater) that is brought up by the Central Region chair. That should give them a decent shot at making the tourney. Granted then they have to match up nationally against other teams. The won-loss record for IWU is pretty good, and there isn't a criteria for record in last six games, but for the whole season. I haven't looked at the national information yet, but I think they have a shot.

[buf]

Whitewater has 7 losses which should put them on the bubble when it comes to a Pool C bid.

Yes, they do have 7 losses, but only 6 in-region.

[gacbacker]

DePauw and Bowdowin both opening up leads of 9 or better in the latter stages of their games....good news for bubble teams.

[Ralph Turner]

With the NATHC getting a Pool B bid this season is it possible that Benedictine might get a pool B bid as well. That would mean another Central Region team. Granted they are supposed to select at-large teams without regard to region, but that may be an issue.

I think that Illinois Wesleyan deserves to get into the tournament.

I ran the QOWI for Pool B's and it appears they are #5 and quite a bit behind #4 Westminster PA.

The QOWI suggests that Concordia WI, Chapman, Thomas More and Westminster PA are the leaders.

[Fawkes316]

Here are the teams with QoWI over 10 who don't have a Pool A bid.

Overall   QOWI   Rk in reg   Team   Region Win%   Overall
5   11.320   1   New York University   0.920 (23-2)   23-2
9   11.000   3   Rochester   0.800 (20-5)   20-5
13   10.773   5   Williams   0.773 (17-5)   20-6
14   10.773   2   Lake Forest   0.955 (21-1)   23-2
18   10.667   4   St. Lawrence   0.917 (22-2)   24-3
19   10.654   6   Maine Maritime   0.885 (23-3)   25-3
23   10.577   1   Howard Payne   0.962 (25-1)   26-1
26   10.550   4   Calvin   0.950 (19-1)   25-2
28   10.478   8   Brandeis   0.783 (18-5)   19-5
29   10.462   9   Norwich   0.885 (23-3)   24-3
31   10.440   5   Carroll   0.840 (21-4)   21-4
32   10.423   2   McMurry   0.885 (23-3)   24-3
36   10.333   3   Puget Sound   0.810 (17-4)   21-6
38   10.261   6   UW-Whitewater   0.739 (17-6)   19-7
39   10.160   10   Salve Regina   0.840 (21-4)   22-6
41   10.125   3   Oglethorpe   0.833 (20-4)   21-6
42   10.125   7   Transylvania   0.750 (18-6)   19-8
43   10.120   4   William Paterson   0.840 (21-4)   22-5
45   10.083   7   Illinois Wesleyan   0.833 (20-4)   22-5
46   10.045   6   Simpson   0.773 (17-5)   21-6
47   10.042   11   Tufts   0.708 (17-7)   18-7
48   10.040   5   Dickinson   0.840 (21-4)   22-4
49   10.038   12   Keene State   0.769 (20-6)   21-6
50   10.000   6   Oswego State   0.704 (19-8)   19-8
51   10.000   4   Randolph-Macon   0.880 (22-3)   23-4
52   10.000   7   Gustavus Adolphus   0.846 (22-4)   22-5

[Fawkes316]

With the NATHC getting a Pool B bid this season is it possible that Benedictine might get a pool B bid as well. That would mean another Central Region team. Granted they are supposed to select at-large teams without regard to region, but that may be an issue.

I think that Illinois Wesleyan deserves to get into the tournament.

I ran the QOWI for Pool B's and it appears they are #5 and quite a bit behind #4 Westminster PA.

The QOWI suggests that Concordia WI, Chapman, Thomas More and Westminster PA are the leaders.

Good. Thanks for the info Ralph