Pool C

Pat Coleman · February 22, 2008, 04:43:09 PM

The Landmark has to receive a multi-region waiver in order for the Catholic/Scranton game to be in-region. I'll check to see if it has asked and received.

ronk · February 22, 2008, 05:29:58 PM

I thought if they're in the same conference it qualifies as in-region game.

pabegg · February 22, 2008, 05:51:20 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 22, 2008, 04:43:09 PM
The Landmark has to receive a multi-region waiver in order for the Catholic/Scranton game to be in-region. I'll check to see if it has asked and received.

Pat,

I thought that the "multi-region waiver" was the thing that allowed conferences to have teams in more than one region.

Isn't the question whether a Pool B conference such as the Landmark counts under the rule that says all conference games are regional games?

By the way, the conference rule isn't written into the handbooks, so that if you read them literally, WashU-Brandeis is not a regional game.

ILive4This · February 22, 2008, 07:34:55 PM

However, it is a regional game, whether it should be or shouldnt, that can be debated separately

ronk · February 23, 2008, 12:30:27 AM

The Scranton-Catholic and Wash-Brandeis games games can only be regional by the 1st criteria(within an school's defined region) because the other 2 criteria(200 miles or same membership region) don't pertain. The same conference idea doesn't pertain because they are among the conferences that asked for exception to that. But I haven't seen anywhere what a school's defined region is.
It's too late in the season as we near selection Monday to run into these surprises. Fan/coach/player/AD, it should be known by now.

Pat Coleman · February 23, 2008, 11:37:27 AM

Yes, the Landmark got a multi-region waiver. Usually these things are denoted in the handbook but this year's handbook didn't include regional breakdowns. The NCAA's Web site, which the handbook points us too, does not inlucde this information.

LogShow · February 24, 2008, 01:41:16 PM

With the large number of Pool C bids I am feeling pretty good about Puget Sound's chance for an at-large if they get upset in their conference tournament championship game.

buf · February 24, 2008, 08:26:27 PM

2008 Women's Pool C Bid Contenders (through Feb 24) by conference, in region record listed

West
MIAC- St. Bens (19-5)
IIAC- Simpson (19-1)
UMAC (B?)- none
SCIAC- Occidental (14-3)
NWC- George Fox (15-2), Puget Sound (16-2)

Central
NATHC (B)- none
CCIW- Ill Wesleyan (21-2)
MWC- St. Norbert (19-2), Carroll (18-4), Lake Forest (20-3)
SLIAC- Maryville (16-3)
UAA- Rochester (17-5), Wash U (15-4), Brandeis (17-6), Chicago (17-5)
WIAC- Eau Claire (18-4), UWW (21-2), Stevens Point (20-4)

Great Lakes
MIAA- Hope (22-0), Albion (15-3)
NCAC- Kenyon (17-3)
HCAC- none
OAC- BW (23-2)
PrAC- Thomas Moore (20-0), Wash & Jeff (15-4)
AMCC- Medaille (21-2)

South
GSAC- Piedmont (18-3)
SCAC- DePauw (19-1), Oglethorpe (19-4), Trinity (18-4)
USAC- Christopher Newport (18-5)
ODAC- Randolph Macon (19-4)
ASC- Howard Payne (23-0), McMurry (22-2)

Middle Atlantic
MACC- Messiah (20-2), Albright (18-4), Lebanon Valley (20-4)
PnAC- None
MACF- DeSales (21-4)
NEAC- Probably none
CC- None
Land (B)- Scranton (18-4)

Atlantic
CUNYAC- None
SKY- Mount St. Mary (23-2)
CAC- Mary Washington (22-1), Marymount (20-4)
NJAC- Kean (21-3), New Jersey (19-5), William Patterson (20-5)

East
E8- None
SUNYAC- Brockport State (18-3), Cortland State (16-5)
LL- William Smith (20-2), St. Lawrence (17-4)
AMCC- Medaille (21-2)

Northeast
GNAC- None
NESCAC- Bowdoin(16-5), Amherst (22-2), Tufts (22-2)
CCC- None
NEWMAC- Coast Guard (19-4)
NAC- None
LEC- Southern Maine (23-2), Western Conn (18-5), Eastern Conn (21-4)
MASCAC- Bridgewater State (20-2), Salem State (20-3)

Ralph Turner · February 24, 2008, 08:34:51 PM

The North Atlantic Conference (NAC) is Pool A, but I see no Pool C candidates.

pabegg · February 25, 2008, 12:07:29 PM

Here's my latest run on ranking, with games through Sunday.
Reg Conf Rank Prior RPI OWP OOWP School Natl Status Reg Overall
NE 16 01 01 0.6887 0.6341 0.5702 Tufts 002 A w C 22-2 22-2
NE 13 02 02 0.6475 0.5576 0.5546 Southern Maine 005 A w C 23-2 23-2
NE 16 03 03 0.6313 0.5245 0.5596 Amherst 011 C 1 22-2 23-2
NE 14 04 04 0.6277 0.5549 0.5315 Salem State 018 A w C 20-3 20-5
NE 13 05 06 0.6283 0.5612 0.5508 Eastern Connecticut 022 C 5 21-4 21-4
NE 14 06 07 0.6053 0.4909 0.5303 Bridgewater State 028 C 9 20-2 20-4
NE 16 07 08 0.6504 0.6353 0.5691 Bowdoin 036 C 13 16-5 18-7
NE 90 08 05 0.6409 0.6222 0.5800 Brandeis 044 C 18 17-6 17-7
NE 13 09 09 0.5981 0.5334 0.5430 Western Connecticut 053 C second 18-5 19-5
NE 17 10 10 0.5774 0.4796 0.5243 Coast Guard 056 A second 19-4 21-4
NE 16 11 11 0.6249 0.6144 0.5625 Wesleyan 059 C second 17-7 17-8

EA 24 01 01 0.6388 0.5530 0.5404 William Smith 013 A w C 20-2 22-2
EA 61 02 03 0.5952 0.4902 0.4873 Medaille 033 A w C 21-2 23-2
EA 90 03 02 0.6565 0.6392 0.5749 Rochester 034 C 12 17-5 19-5
EA 23 04 04 0.5970 0.5091 0.5129 Brockport State 037 A w C 18-3 21-4
EA 24 05 05 0.5848 0.4945 0.5406 St. Lawrence 055 C second 17-4 21-4
EA 21 06 06 0.5697 0.4960 0.4949 Stevens 064 A third 19-5 20-5
EA 23 07 07 0.5784 0.5133 0.5252 Cortland State 067 C third 16-5 20-5
EA 23 08 09 0.5778 0.5392 0.5188 Oneonta State 077 C third 15-6 17-7
EA 21 09 11 0.5742 0.5571 0.5008 Ithaca 088 15-7 16-9

AT 41 01 02 0.6300 0.5183 0.5270 Mary Washington 010 A w C 22-1 23-2
AT 32 02 01 0.6451 0.5802 0.5451 Kean 014 A w C 21-3 22-3
AT 33 03 04 0.6238 0.5369 0.5014 Mount St. Mary 016 A w C 23-2 23-2
AT 41 04 03 0.6368 0.5954 0.5228 Marymount 020 C 4 20-4 21-4
AT 32 05 05 0.6464 0.6198 0.5541 New Jersey 029 C 10 19-5 20-5
AT 32 06 06 0.6262 0.5819 0.5413 William Paterson 039 C 15 20-5 20-5
AT 31 07 07 0.5901 0.5166 0.4939 Baruch 042 A won 20-4 22-6
AT 33 08 09 0.5797 0.5240 0.4882 Farmingdale State 062 C second 18-5 18-5
AT 33 09 11 0.5535 0.4715 0.4793 Mount St. Vincent 076 C third 19-5 20-5

MA 42 01 01 0.7004 0.6704 0.5515 Messiah 008 A w C 20-2 23-2
MA 43 02 02 0.6406 0.5772 0.5278 DeSales 015 A w C 22-3 22-3
MA 42 03 03 0.6388 0.5929 0.5514 Albright 025 C 7 18-4 20-5
MA 46 04 04 0.6347 0.5957 0.5295 Scranton 031 B 1 18-4 19-5
MA 42 05 05 0.5887 0.4968 0.5280 Lebanon Valley 043 C 17 20-4 21-4
MA 44 06 06 0.6040 0.5613 0.5019 Gwynedd-Mercy 048 A w C 19-5 20-5
MA 45 07 07 0.5788 0.5245 0.5061 Muhlenberg 070 A third 19-6 19-6
MA 45 08 12 0.5528 0.4727 0.5055 Franklin and Marshall 089 19-6 19-6
MA 44 09 09 0.5478 0.4722 0.4850 Misericordia 091 16-5 18-7

SO 51 01 01 0.6458 0.5355 0.5120 Howard Payne 003 A w C 23-0 25-0
SO 51 02 02 0.6199 0.5254 0.5120 McMurry 017 C 2 22-2 22-3
SO 54 03 03 0.6269 0.5700 0.5414 Oglethorpe 032 C 11 19-4 21-4
SO 52 04 04 0.6014 0.5269 0.4944 Piedmont 035 A w C 18-3 22-3
SO 54 05 06 0.6149 0.5603 0.5208 Trinity (Texas) 038 C 14 18-4 19-5
SO 53 06 05 0.5889 0.5052 0.5192 Randolph-Macon 047 A w C 19-4 21-4
SO 53 07 08 0.5945 0.5355 0.5152 Virginia Wesleyan 050 C 21 19-5 20-5
SO 51 08 09 0.5925 0.5289 0.5123 Hardin-Simmons 051 C second 20-5 20-5
SO 55 09 07 0.5739 0.5152 0.4827 Christopher Newport 066 A third 185 19-6

GL 54 01 01 0.6634 0.5827 0.5384 DePauw 001 A w C 19-1 22-3
GL 65 02 02 0.6432 0.5338 0.5052 Thomas More 006 A w C 20-0 25-0
GL 64 03 03 0.6368 0.5453 0.5368 Baldwin-Wallace 009 A w C 23-2 23-2
GL 62 04 04 0.6255 0.4919 0.5183 Hope 012 A w C 22-0 24-0
GL 62 05 05 0.5839 0.4925 0.5174 Albion 049 C 20 15-3 20-4
GL 64 06 07 0.6107 0.5826 0.5276 Ohio Northern 057 C second 18-6 19-6
GL 64 07 06 0.6153 0.5933 0.5355 Wilmington 058 C second 17-6 19-6
GL 65 08 08 0.5733 0.5029 0.4979 Washington and Jefferson 065 C third 15-4 19-6
GL 63 09 09 0.5421 0.4259 0.4668 Kenyon 075 A third 17-3 19-6

MW 86 01 01 0.6723 0.6096 0.5572 UW-Whitewater 007 A w C 21-2 23-2
MW 86 02 03 0.6471 0.6046 0.5612 UW-Eau Claire 019 C 3 18-4 20-5
MW 71 03 05 0.6061 0.4883 0.5350 Illinois Wesleyan 023 A w C 21-2 23-2
MW 86 04 04 0.6264 0.5628 0.5468 UW-Stevens Point 026 C 8 20-4 21-4
MW 74 05 02 0.6079 0.5056 0.5158 St. Norbert 027 A w C 19-2 19-4
MW 90 06 06 0.6573 0.6340 0.5718 Washington U. 030 A w C 15-4 18-6
MW 90 07 10 0.6393 0.6019 0.5809 Chicago 041 C 16 17-5 19-5
MW 76 08 08 0.5815 0.5053 0.4735 Maryville (Mo.) 045 A w C 16-3 21-3
MW 74 09 07 0.5930 0.5167 0.5203 Carroll 046 C 19 18-4 19-4

WE 81 01 01 0.6465 0.5504 0.5352 Simpson 004 A w C 19-1 23-2
WE 83 02 02 0.6245 0.5494 0.5167 George Fox 021 A w C 15-2 22-3
WE 83 03 03 0.6114 0.5157 0.5254 Puget Sound 024 C 6 16-2 21-4
WE 89 04 04 0.6005 0.5383 0.4920 Chapman 040 B 2 15-3 22-3
WE 82 05 05 0.5756 0.5010 0.5088 St. Benedict 061 A second 19-5 20-5
WE 84 06 07 0.5556 0.4608 0.4773 Occidental 069 A third 14-3 20-5
WE 82 07 10 0.5755 0.5376 0.5066 St. Thomas 078 C third 18-7 18-7
WE 81 08 06 0.5731 0.5264 0.5313 Coe 085 17-7 18-7
WE 81 09 11 0.5932 0.5915 0.5399 Luther 087 13-7 15-9

At this point, anyone in the top 40 probably has clinched a Pool C bid if they need one. This is partly due to the fact that no one can lose two games this week and that everyone who is in Pool C contention from conferences with a tournament will have at least one loss this week. There simply isn't that much movement in the final week. The remaining 6 Pool C slots, from Chicago to Virginia Wesleyan, stand a good chance of going away to teams that are higher ranked and get upset in the conference tournaments.

Brandeis is in a singular situation. Despite being firmly on the bubble, they have a chance to go unbeaten this week (by beating NYU in their only game) and thereby move up relative to teams that will have a loss in their conference tournaments.

On the Pool B side, Concordia IL leads Moravian for the final spot.

BJ - DSU SID · February 25, 2008, 03:01:15 PM

PaBegg,

Thanks again for these charts...this is really good stuff.

Your efforts are appreciated.

BJ

Just Bill · February 25, 2008, 04:03:50 PM

Quote from: pabegg on February 25, 2008, 12:07:29 PM
On the Pool B side, Concordia IL leads Moravian for the final spot.

That would be Concordia Wisconsin, wouldn't it?

Warren Thompson · February 25, 2008, 04:20:20 PM

Quote from: Just Bill on February 25, 2008, 04:03:50 PM
Quote from: pabegg on February 25, 2008, 12:07:29 PM
On the Pool B side, Concordia IL leads Moravian for the final spot.

That would be Concordia Wisconsin, wouldn't it?

That seems likely. Of these two Concordias (both Missouri Synod-flavor), both in the same conference, the one in Wisconsin has the better conference record, though both have winning records overall.

[Confusing the many Concordias is far from uncommon; several -- most? -- are NCAA D3, one is NCAA D2, and the rest are NAIA.]

pabegg · February 25, 2008, 04:36:53 PM

Quote from: Just Bill on February 25, 2008, 04:03:50 PM
Quote from: pabegg on February 25, 2008, 12:07:29 PM
On the Pool B side, Concordia IL leads Moravian for the final spot.

That would be Concordia Wisconsin, wouldn't it?

That's right. Concordia WI is ahead of Moravian, while Concordia IL is behind.

theBroadcaster · February 25, 2008, 05:25:50 PM

Quote from: pabegg on February 25, 2008, 12:07:29 PM
Brandeis is in a singular situation. Despite being firmly on the bubble, they have a chance to go unbeaten this week (by beating NYU in their only game) and thereby move up relative to teams that will have a loss in their conference tournaments.

Pabegg, so in your opinion, if Brandeis was to beat NYU on sat. and there aren't a crazy number of upsets in the conference tourneys, then are the Judges in? I kind of felt like they played their way out of the tournament this past weekend.