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[FatalImpact]

fatp,

I know none of you (and have no 'dog in this fight'), but you seem to be overlooking an obvious possibility.  Perhaps he didn't directly transfer from IWU, but dropped out for one or more semesters before re-enrolling elsewhere?

As Pat has pointed out before, the 10 semester rule can be spread out indefinitely over time.

THANKS MR. YPSI

[Fatpongo]

Pat, I know division 3 sports are your life and passion, but you're wrong on this one.

Your'e missing the whole point here. SERGO HAS ALREADY PLAYED FOUR YEARS! I don't even know why we're talking about the 5 year rule anymore.

He played 1 year at Illinois Wesleyan and 3 years at Benedictine. He did NOT redshirt. He played ALL FOUR YEARS.

What am I not explaining here? Did I miss something? Are people allowed to play 5 seasons now?

2001-IWU
2003-BU
2004-BU
2005-BU

Again, that's 4 years. Why would he be allowed to play a 5th year? This is like talking to 1st graders, but worse. His eligibility is over.

[Gomer Pyle]

 Lovethegame:
       Thanks for the " i heard" stuff on the QB situation at Mac.   
           

[FatalImpact]

FatP......I'm think he red shirted..........and I'm gonna side with Pat on this one

[Fatpongo]

I really don't care who you side with.

He appeared in games each year, therefore counting as a year of eligibility each year. I don't need to explain it anymore...and if you don't understand it...well then it's time to re-take 1st grade.

[FatalImpact]

If you red-shirt, even if you already played one game.......I think the rule is three.......If you red-shirt the year DOES NOT COUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pat Coleman]

Pat, I know division 3 sports are your life and passion, but you're wrong on this one.

Actually, I'm right -- you realize we are talking about separate things?

Your'e missing the whole point here. SERGO HAS ALREADY PLAYED FOUR YEARS! I don't even know why we're talking about the 5 year rule anymore.

Have I ever said Sergo was eligible? I don't know how long he's played and I don't care. I'm only pointing out that you are wrong on the 20- wait, sorry, 10-semester rule and you are wrong on the five-year rule as well.

You can argue what you want about Sergo but you shouldn't be spewing inaccurate information about the rules.

[Pat Coleman]

This is like talking to 1st graders, but worse. His eligibility is over.

Why, do first graders also twist around what people are talking about and intentionally distort or misread their posts?

[Fatpongo]

Pat,

You jumped into the conversation when I made a typo....where I typed a 2 instead of a 1. Shall we assume you've never made a typo before?

If you never said Sergo was eligible...you shouldn't have gotten into the conversation. I know you like to put your 2 cents in...but this wasn't the time.

And since you're the know-all of Division 3 sports...and I'm wrong on the five-year rule...what is this?:

14.2.1 Five-Year Rule - A student-athlete shall complete his or her seasons of participation within five calendar years from the beginning of the semester or quarter in which the student-athlete first registered for a minimum full-time program of studies in a collegiate institution, with time spent in the armed services, on official church missions or with recognized foreign aid services of the U.S. government being excepted. For foreign students, service in the armed forces or on an official church mission of the student's home country is considered equivalent to such service in the United States.

Taken from the NCAA eligibility rules. It's National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA), not the Pat Coleman Athletic Association (PCAA).

So again, you're wrong, not me.

[Da One]

I know that is the rule for DI and I-AA.  I think DII and DIII are different.  Speeking from my own experience I started attending a Juco right after graduating from HS.  I went for 1 semester.  Then I took 2 1/2 years off.  Went back to Juco to play FB, played for 1 year then looked to transfer.  I was told by the AD/Head Coach that I could only look to transfer to DII or DIII schools because my eligability for DI and I-AA was going expire in a year, because I had started 3 years prior.  Having coached DIII, I know that if you have not participated in at least 1/2 of the season you can be medically red-shrited upon a season ending injury.  Was Sergo hurt at IWU?  Anyone know?

[Fatpongo]

Da one,

No, he was not hurt at IWU.

[ILikeDiv3]

Thank you Da One.  To add to the conversation, Fatpongo you are reading from the wrong document.  The Five Year Rule DOES NOT APPLY TO DIVISION III.  The following is from the DIVISION III MANUAL....rule 14.2.1 is this:

Collegiate Enrollment Concurrent with Service Assignment.  Any time in which a student athelete is enrolled for a minimum full-time program of studies as a regular student in a collegiate institution while simultaneously on active duty in the United States government shall count against the 10 semesters/15 quarters in which the four seasons of eligibility must be completed.

Another simple google search reveals this:

http://www.sdmesa.sdccd.cc.ca.us/maap/eligibility.html

There have been different occasions where a Division I guy drops out a few years and comes back to school around age 28 even, to play at the Division III level.  I've seen it firsthand son.

I hate to respond and give this kid more attention,  but Fatpongo historically and consistently has his information wrong, and spreads FALSE information which is just not cool. 

Bottom line is, and I don't know what the time frame or situation was for Joe Sergo playing at IWU, I seriously doubt Benedictine would let him play this year or next year if he wasn't eligible.  I believe most schools at this level understand and abide by rules.  So I really don't think you are uncovering a big scandal.

Are you sure you have ALL the facts on Sergo's IWU experience?

Regards

[Fatpongo]

Thank you Da One.  To add to the conversation, Fatpongo you are reading from the wrong document.  The Five Year Rule DOES NOT APPLY TO DIVISION III.  The following is from the DIVISION III MANUAL....rule 14.2.1 is this:

Collegiate Enrollment Concurrent with Service Assignment.  Any time in which a student athelete is enrolled for a minimum full-time program of studies as a regular student in a collegiate institution while simultaneously on active duty in the United States government shall count against the 10 semesters/15 quarters in which the four seasons of eligibility must be completed.

Another simple google search reveals this:

http://www.sdmesa.sdccd.cc.ca.us/maap/eligibility.html

There have been different occasions where a Division I guy drops out a few years and comes back to school around age 28 even, to play at the Division III level.  I've seen it firsthand son.

I hate to respond and give this kid more attention,  but Fatpongo historically and consistently has his information wrong, and spreads FALSE information which is just not cool. 

Bottom line is, and I don't know what the time frame or situation was for Joe Sergo playing at IWU, I seriously doubt Benedictine would let him play this year or next year if he wasn't eligible.  I believe most schools at this level understand and abide by rules.  So I really don't think you are uncovering a big scandal.

Are you sure you have ALL the facts on Sergo's IWU experience?

Regards

First of all, Sergo, we know that it is you under a different name.

And thanks for finding that article....the 10 semester rule applies for division three...which Pat Coleman said I was "wrong on." Your proof is in that article.

Also, this whole discussion isn't based on D1 to D3. It's based on D3 to D3.

My information is not wrong. And you do know Sergo's situation at IWU...because you're him. It's not a scandal either...it's just somebody trying to cheat the system...hence why you(Sergo) did not play football this year...because teams didn't want to take the chance.

And yes Sergo, we're sure of the facts of your IWU experience...unless the IWU coaching staff and players are lying...and if game film with you on it is lying.

If it's untrue...you tell us what happened...and explain the game film.

[Pat Coleman]

The five year clock is only in Division I. In Division I, once you start you have five years (or whatever) to finish. I don't know or care about the Division I rules.

There are 10 full-time semesters in Division III to play your four eligible years, and you can take the semesters more or less whenever you want. That is different, oddly enough, than Division I.

If you can't read the rule book, please don't blame me. You don't know what you're talking about and you keep spinning, bobbing and weaving, and blaming other people. I'm sick of it.

[Pat Coleman]

14.2.2 Ten Semester/Fifteen-Quarter Rule
A student-athlete shall complete his or her seasons of participation during the first 10 semesters or 15 quarters in which the student is enrolled in a collegiate institution in at least a minimum full-time program of studies, as determined by the regulations of that institution. For an institution that conducts registration other than on a traditional semester or quarter basis, the Management Council shall determine an equivalent enrollment period.  (Revised: 1/12/04 effective 8/1/04 for any athletics participation occurring on or after August 1, 2004)

When you search the NCAA database, it helps to select "Division III" instead of "Division I."

Please don't bother us with this anymore.