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[79jaybird]

FalcsFB sounds like you are experiencing the same problem we faced at Elmhurst a few years ago with fan support, Or lack there of.
Up until recently we would have fans only come out if the team was winning.  I can recall being down 24-20 to Wheaton and most of the fans were leaving by the third quarter!
I know it is hard to get fans to "give up" their time on Saturdays to come and watch a game, but c'mon it's the NCAA Playoffs!  Come out and support your troops!  If I was a CUW player I would have been dismayed at the lack of turnout by our fans.

[Fartcus Smellwood]

Soooooo, boring...

Did anyone watch the ND/USC game tonight? How much USC weiner do you all think the commentators can suck??? They should make that into a game...haha.

I hope to see a rematch of OSU and U of M...just a little something to pep this board up other than sucking CUW weiner all day long right?

[bufan]

And pep this board up you did.  There should be no rematch marcus.  For several reasons, but first and foremost is the following.  Should Ohio State have to beat the same team twice to win the title while Michigan only has to win once?  Also, no better sit here and say that USC lost to Oregon St. and Michigan's loss was to Ohio State.  That is a completely invalid argument because if your argument is the loss, my argument is the wins, which USC has much more convincing non-conference wins, as you know.  USC is clearly the second best team in the country.  Michigan can blame itself by not scheduling Central Michigan(Dan Lefevour is the QB, brother of my ld o-line coach at BU), Vanderbilt, and Ball St., real impressive.  And you may say, Oh they beat Wisconsin.  Ha what a joke they are! They beat Buffalo and Bowling Green I believe, and like the extremely weak Big Ten after you get past the first two teams.  And if you would like to start an argument about how the BCS isnt the best system, ill do that too because a playoff is not the best way to settle things.

sorry, little sensitive on the subject

[formerd3db]

bufan:
I agree with some of what you say, but not all.  Indeed, USC appears to be a better 2nd ranked team than Michigan after Saturday's performance.  On the other hand, if USC loses to UCLA, they won't get the opportunity since they would have two losses, nor should they.  As far as Michigan, CMU and Ball State I agree with you, but Vanderbilt was a much better team.  Besides, the rest of the Big Ten teams schedule some lesser caliber DI teams as well, as do many of the big-time programs around the country.  As far as the BCS system, many would disagree with you that a playoff is not the way to settle the arguments.  It works for all the other levels and would for DI; no system is perfect, however, nor ever will be.

[79jaybird]

In the National Title Game I would have two possibilities:
A)  the one I see happening,

Ohio St. vs. USC  USC pounded ND and showed great speed and quickness.  As much as I can't stand any CA school, you have to give USC props for a great team.

Ohio St. vs. FL   This is intriguing to me.  Florida was able to knock off Florida St. on their home field yesterday.

I feel Michigan had their chance to knock off Ohio St. during the regular season and they didn't get the job done.  Like my Bears this afternoon vs. New England.  You either execute or you don't, and both teams didn't in crunch time.  I would have Michigan in a big bowl game, just not the Nat'l Championship game.

For the record, I would somehow find a way to get a playoff format to decide the Division I Nat'l Championship and get rid of the BCS.  I have my own abbreviation for BCS (get the drift) and think that there are nothing but problems with that cpu system.

[bufan]

jaybird,  the BCS has flaws obviously, but look at it this way if u will.

The computers hold no bias, like voters do.  It takes into consideration your strength of schedule which voters do, but a very limited extent.  You heard all the "experts" which most are voters say, Mich's loss is better than USC's loss.  That is a terrible way to assess teams.  The computers essentially create an average of how good ure team is.  I have no clue why where are 6 of them and what the difference is between the 6.  There is no weight on the date of ure loss, whether it be in sept. or nov.  I think the voters screw this whole thing up to be honest.  It sounds dumb to decided a game based on a computer but it makes great sense, but again it does need to be tweaked.

formerd3db
The fact that the big ten schedules softly does not make me have any sympath for michigan.  Imagine if they would have schedule a team like, LSU, oklahoma, cal....something along those lines then i would have great respect.  You cant schedule softies, lose all but one game, and then make it.  You must schedule tough and take that chance, it worked out for USC pretty well.

Ok, onto the playoff thing.  I love March madness, i do.  I love the NFL playoffs and ne other playoffs, upsets are great.  BUT, Is it fair that if you wanted an 8 team playoff in college football lets say, that Louisville has the same chance as OSU or USC? cause thats what you'd be doing.  Or in the case this year, BOISE STATE?  There is a reason they arent not in the top 5 and undefeated. OSU or USC have earned the right to play(given USC wins vs. UCLA) based on being the best teams throughout the course of the year.  Louisville has not been 2 of the best teams, so they should not be given the same chance.  A playoff is unrewarding of the two teams who truly are the best.

[formerd3db]

bu:
Playoffs would indeed solve the "problem" as best it could be solved because the title would be decided on the field.  Simply have the top rated teams play in the playoff system like the other divisions - even if you base it on the Top 25, that is still less than the 32 teams now used in DIII.  Similarly, even using the DIAA (now called DI Championship Series) and DII which has less playoff spots, there are still some teams left out, yet the title is still decided on the field.  As far as a Boise State type team, again any team that goes undefeated deserves a chance - no matter who you play, winning 11 or all 12 games now is extremely difficult and besides, those teams being in the Top 25 would be included in a playoff.  The bottom line is that a playoff at DI is not impossible - only politics and politics as to who controls the $ is holding it back and it would be the fairest way to determine the national champion i.e. on the field and not on the computers.  Again, IMO, as the other divisions have proven it works, there is no reason it would not for DI.  Of course, there will always be differing opinions on this and I guess we've "beaten this one into the ground"!

[baseman201]

YES!!!!!

NCAA D-I needs playoffs, and if you don't think so then you have problems. 

This gives every team an equal chance to win the national championship, not just the "BCS bigboys".  Every other division in college uses a playoff, D-I AA, D-II, D-III, NAIA I and NAIA II all use a playoff and there is no controversy of the champion or co champions (which is probably one of the dumbest things I have ever witnessed in college football, 2003 I believe it was??).

Anyway, Boise St. is undefeated right now, sure they don't have a tough schedule but I think they need a chance to at least prove themselves that they aren't a joke.   Heres how it should be..........oh wow, just like EVERY OTHER DIVISION!!!

You win your conference you are in the playoffs.  Or in the case of split divisions (ACC, BIG 12, Conf. USA, Mid America, SEC) you take the winners of each section, they play each other and that team represents their conference.  Or since there are only 12 conferences in D-I football as opposed to 27 in D-III (not including IND), you could take both winners from the split divisions, the playoffs definately wouldn't take as long.   And of course there will be some at large bids as well.  Come on, what would be more exciting then D-I football playoffs. 

"But Baseman, what about the bowl games"?  Personally I think bowl games are just plain stupid, but you can still have bowl games.  Since the only reason there are bowl games is because of money, those companies can sponsor certain games of the playoffs.  The championship game can have whatever name (Rose, orange, etc...)  along with the semifinal games and so on.

Boohoo, so some powerhouse teams may be out in the first round, it happens in basketball and it should happen in football as well.   Middle Tennessee St. could play the best football of their lives in the playoffs and beat USC, too bad so sad.   I am just tired of every year their being a controversy over who is #1 and #2, MAKE THEM GET THROUGH A BRACKET FOR IT!!!!  Relying on computers as to who plays for the national championship is a joke.

And let's face it, some 6-6 teams will be in bowl games this year......wow, you are in the San Diego Credit Union Poinsetta bowl, give me a break, make them play for something.

[CU Alum]

MAKE THEM GET THROUGH A BRACKET FOR IT!!!!  Relying on computers as to who plays for the national championship is a joke.

And let's face it, some 6-6 teams will be in bowl games this year......wow, you are in the San Diego Credit Union Poinsetta bowl, give me a break, make them play for something.

well said -- 

[Fartcus Smellwood]

Wow did I spark a convo and I am glad I did...any karma points awarded fellas? Anyways, the only reason I said I would of loved to see an OSU and U of M rematch is because I am a Big Ten fan and it was a hell of a game...no other reason. As for this BCS crap, I think everyone overlooks the favoritism. And I am going to jump on USC and use Notre Dame as an example even though it doesn't matter now because we know USC is the better team this year . ND lost to #11 Michigan earlier in the year and dropped 10 spots....10 SPOTS!!! Now if you ask me, that is ridiculous compared to USC losing to Oregon St. (not a good team compared to ND, U of M and USC) and only dropping I think 2-3 spots. In my opinion, they should of dropped way more than that as it seemed every other team that lost dropped a fair amount. As for D-1 going to playoffs, that would be sweet. No arguements at all about who would be the best team, handle everything on the field like men and not look at a stupid computer ranking. My prediction now, USC will beat UCLA in a nailbiter because USC's heads will be filled with air but still pull one out. Then, they go to the National Championship and just get beat by OSU because OSU is one of the respectable Big Ten schools and will represent the conference well.

Your friend,
Marcus J. Ellwood

P.S. I am glad to finally see everyone contributing in a convo, this board looks good now...even though we arent talking D-3 football.

[Fartcus Smellwood]

Now that I look at the karma, why the hell did I get -2 again??? Can someone man up and let me know why I got -2? I really didn't care at first but now it is getting stupid. I agree with Jaybird, looks like damn golf scores on here...

[79jaybird]

BUFan- I agree that the cpu holds no bias, but I agree with formerd3db that the Nat'l Championship game/contenders should be "on the field" and not on a disk. The old timers never had computers and still were able to fight for and decide a Nat'l Champion. 
This is partly why I LOVE the D-3 playoffs and NCAA Basketball Tournaments (at any level).  You get a #15 seed knocking off a #2 seed, and to see the joy on the #15 seeds faces is worth a million dollars.

While I don't think it would be impossible for D-1 to go into a playoff system, I do think there are a lot of obstacles that would have to be avoided.  First and foremost $$.  Do you know how much money is invested by corporate America for these bowls?  Fed Ex Orange Bowl, Nokia Sugar Bowl, Tostitos Fiesta Bowl, etc.  these companies invest oodles of $$ for these games and would hate to see their game(s) disappear.

[Pat Coleman]

I hope to see a rematch of OSU and U of M...just a little something to pep this board up other than sucking CUW weiner all day long right?

Perhaps some people are still reading this post for the first time and aren't a fan of your verbage.

[2minuteO]

good call pat

[Fartcus Smellwood]

I hope to see a rematch of OSU and U of M...just a little something to pep this board up other than sucking CUW weiner all day long right?

Perhaps some people are still reading this post for the first time and aren't a fan of your verbage.

My apologies then...i totally forgot that i wrote that. But honestly, i don't think there are ever karma points awarded on this board and it blows. Oh, hi 2minuteO...i am glad you agree with Pat I do too, I apologize to you also I guess.