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[PIROLLO9]

Point well taken, BUT you did not answer the question at hand. AGAIN, why do good player continously get over looked? With that being said there is numerous accounts from which players who are nationally ranked in the top 10 or top 5 categories and is getting over looked bc of the school they might go to. Names to name a few, Pete Ereg Top 10 or top 5 in every rushing category, no recognition, JR Harriel, stats already given, no recognition, 2 years ago ANTHONY BALLERINO, 3rd in receptions and and top 10 in yards, no recognition! As for me, it doesn't really make me all upset bc again i got alot respect from peers from high school to college. BUT over numerous accounts that i have seen over 4 years in division 3 football great athletes have been overlooked. If a player does great statistically on a team not as known, he might get over looked but if a midoaker player does ok on a known team than he reaps the benefits. Therefore, HOW DO YOU CHOOSE THE ATHLETES FOR THESE TEAMS ACCURATLEY???  What is the criteria to make these teams bc honestly stats does not matter!! It really should, bc peoples opinions are like assholes everyone has one...BUT stats, in black and white CAN NOT BE DISPUTED!!!!! What is your rebuttle to this??? This website is great, as well as INFORMATION that you produce is wonderfull. Your criteria rest mainly on schools that are KNOWN not the cold hard facts that are black and white and is earned on the field!!! 

       This needs to be changed, and everyone who is giving JR heck, well i know him personally and he is incredibily humble about what he does/ and i garrantee that if this was not his senior year he would not say a word, but since this is his last year i can understand where he is coming from!!!

[CardinalAlum]

You continue you talk about "known" schools.  Which of these schools do you speak of?

[CardinalAlum]

This needs to be changed, and everyone who is giving JR heck, well i know him personally and he is incredibily humble about what he does/ and i garrantee that if this was not his senior year he would not say a word, but since this is his last year i can understand where he is coming from!!!

Humble?      uhhh...sure he is!

[JRHarriel25]

What more can you ask from a single player? I work my butt of this past season and have proven myself in D3 and I dont even make the all region team.

I may be wrong but, I dont think anyone could find a SINGLE player (LB) better than me (statistically) in all of D3 football.

I don't know what is more ridiculous and selfish than a player that spouts off ad nausea on their own personal accomplishments.  Not the kinda player I want on my team... 

I know what we can ask from "a single player".  SHUT UP!  It sounds like you had a great year and are worthy of consideration.  But your SID didn't nominate you and you can't say that those who were honored don't deserve it.  And I'll bet if we look at it, we probably can't find a SINGLE player who was better.  I'll bet we'd find at least 5!

No doubt you worked your tail off.  No doubt you had a great year.  But All-Region, All-Conference, All-American teams are not "self promoted, self-nominated" honors.  Otherwise they would be completely and utterly meaningless.  Even so... 10 years from now these honors mean very little in the overall scheme of things.  People don't remember who was on what team from 10 years ago.  I'd rather hold onto what my team accomplished.

Can you be anymore arrogant?  Do us a favor and don't answer that question, because you'll probably start ranting and expousing an endless stream of "diarrhera of the mouth" on how you stats support the fact that you are better than any All-Pro linebacker.  Look out Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacher... J.R Harriel is coming.  The best linebacker in the universe (in his own mind).

Sorry if I came off the wrong way, but just put yourselves into my shoes here.

All I was saying was that, give credit when credit is due...at the time I did'nt know who was responsible for nominating the players, now I do.  At first I thought D3 were responsible. I apologies.

And yes, I did say it really don't mean much, in all it really don't...but i would telling a lie if I say I did'nt want post season awards.

Far as being selfish...not me at all.  Never was never will be.  




   

[Mugsy]

everyone who is giving JR heck, well i know him personally and he is incredibily humble about what he does/ and i garrantee that if this was not his senior year he would not say a word, but since this is his last year i can understand where he is coming from!!!

I don't know him personally so I don't have much to go on in terms of his character and level of humility.  But the 2 comments below are a polar opposite of humility.  It is clear he is definitely frustrated and upset at not being recognized for his efforts, but I don't see anything that would indicate humility.

Statistically I am by far better than every guy on the 1st Team North Region

I may be wrong but, I dont think anyone could find a SINGLE player (LB) better than me (statistically) in all of D3 football.

[Pat Coleman]

Point well taken, BUT you did not answer the question at hand. AGAIN, why do good player continously get over looked?

I would say this -- because outside your conference there are many, many great players. IBFC schools do not really get out and see that much. There's a whole world of Division III out there and this is probably the second-worst conference, third-worst at most. The level of compettion is not great.

JR -- dude, I'm sorry. You would've been a great All-Region candidate. As I have said, we do occasionally look at non-nominated players for All-American but I'm not sure what the linebacker field looks like yet.

[bufan]

Since the temperature is turned up in here.  I'll attempt to help us bring an end.  If you guys have acknowledged there is a flaw in the way this All-Region stuff works then accept it.  If you, and others agree you were one of the best, then you were.  You dont need some plaque and piece of paper to validate it.  You were the conference defensive player of the year, right?  So that is plenty of recognition in my eyes.  If you feel you still have something to prove then go do it.  If you feel you have done enough then that is fine too.

[Mugsy]

Sorry if I came off the wrong way, but just put yourselves into my shoes here.

All I was saying was that, give credit when credit is due...at the time I did'nt know who was responsible for nominating the players, now I do.  At first I thought D3 were responsible. I apologies.

And yes, I did say it really don't mean much, in all it really don't...but i would telling a lie if I say I did'nt want post season awards.

Far as being selfish...not me at all.  Never was never will be.  

Fair enough... I can completely understand your frustration.  It sounds like you had a great season and Greenville has really turned the program around (especially since the last time Wheaton played you).  Congrats on both accounts.  

But it has been said repeatedly here... your SID or AD is responsible for submitting the nominations for All-Region.  You CAN fault the process for not gathering all the potential candidates, but you CAN'T fault those who run this site for the failure of your AD and SID to submit your name.

Trust me on this though... as the years pass, the personal awards become less and less important.  It has been almost 20 years since I last put on the pads in D3 football (15 since I played at all), and I can't remember the last time the topic of personal accolades from playing college football has ever come up in day to day conversation.

[SonsofThunder]

Well said Mugsy...JR let me encourage you to do this.  Do not measure your football career based on personal accolades you recieved throughout.  Reflect on your personal career and realize how successful you were.  Stats don't lie my friend.

[baseman201]

Piroll09-

Seriously, no more posting from you.

I am getting a headache.

[JRHarriel25]

JR -- dude, I'm sorry. You would've been a great All-Region candidate. As I have said, we do occasionally look at non-nominated players for All-American but I'm not sure what the linebacker field looks like yet.

Thanks Pat...once again I would like to apologies for comming off the way I did.  It was just a very upsetting moment for me.

[FatalImpact]

Baseman201,
No more posting for you, that was pretty useless in saying that.....Its his opinion and I commend him for saying it, if it bothers you dont read it

[FatalImpact]

Oh yeah, We all should know how political this kinda stuff gets when it comes to seasons end......Just like back in the day, the team that gets the conf title usually gets more votes on all conf.....Same concept, the politics lie in the so called credibility of teams they think may be better, for instance in this region ncc and wheaton are the so-called better teams, but they can be taken down the cciw likes to pretend theyre better but theyre not and cuw proved it by beating ncc, tru that cuw didnt get the job done when it mattered, and that is something that hopefully can be worked on in the last season of the IBFC next year

[tpoe]

Hey I was looking at the D3 all north region team and thats messed up that my man JR aint on there. He is the best linebacker in the nation period. And my man Larry P should have been on there too. These guys led the conference in almost everything on defense and both are ranked in the nation that is bogus they got shafted. I know the coaches are supposed to vote first so that makes it even worse. I should have been on there as well as Gillespie. Mask is a beast and derserving of whatever he gets but cant anyone tell me that Terrance Poe aint a monster on the field.

[tpoe]

I also forgot about Ereg lets just say, a man amongst boys.