FB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference

[Are you Kidding]

Being a D3football "guru" as your subtitle states, I'm pretty sure you'd know these guys: Mike Gardiner and Chuck Verdone.

Verdone was a Hewlett-Packard First Team All American in 1999, and an honorable mention All American in 2000 (simply because nobody threw his way). Verdone has Benedictine's career interception record along with several other records.

Gardiner was named USAfootball.com Second Team All-American in 2000. He was also named to YOUR 2001 Preaseason First Team All-American team. Gardiner holds Benedictine's sack record.

The one you're most likely referring to is Pat Ryan, the 2001 D3football.com First Team All-American.

In my world, 3 people is not 1 person. I'm not sure about yours.

As for your comment regarding no other All-American team being worth the paper it's printed on...Hewlett Packard All American holds a bit more credibility than a d3footall All-American. USAfootball.com isn't too far behind either.

So actually, Benedictine has 3 All-Americans from 2000-2001. Thanks for helping my argument.

[baseman201]

Predictions-

Lakeland Vs. UW-Oshkosh:
UW-Oshkosh is in one of the best conferences in D-III....I guess that's all I have to say.

Lakeland - 10
Oshkosh - 35

Eureka Vs. North Park:
Seems evenly matched....Eureka will use the slanted field to their advantage and Billy Bob cheering in the trailer park for some motivation.

Eureka - 7
North Park - 3

CUC Vs. Rose Hulman:
I just hate to do this, Rose Hulman in my opinion is better then U. of Chicago......but I hope they prove me wrong.

CUC - 17
Rose Hulman - 40

CUW Vs. Wisconsin Lutheran:
Wis. Lutheran seemed improved before the blowout at the hands of Dubuque.  Have no idea what will happen, but will go with Concordia with Wis. Lutheran hanging tough.

CUW - 21
Wis. Lutheran - 14

Greenville Vs. Taylor:
Don't know ANYTHING about Taylor, I only know they are 0-2 and Greenville is pretty darn good.

Greenville - 35
Taylor - 10

Benedictine Vs. NCC:
Uhm, bad news.

Benedictine - 7
NCC - 51

Well that's it, let's here some more.

[Pat Coleman]

Preseason doesn't count anywhere.

I know those guys, but come on now. Who is USAFootball.com, really? When was the last time HP released an All-American team?

Our team and the AFCA team are the only ones recognized by the NCAA in their record books. Seems like a good cutoff for me for legitimacy. One person on those lists.

[Are you Kidding]

Preseason doesn't count anywhere.

I know those guys, but come on now. Who is USAFootball.com, really? When was the last time HP released an All-American team?

Our team and the AFCA team are the only ones recognized by the NCAA in their record books. Seems like a good cutoff for me for legitimacy. One person on those lists.

Why does it matter when the last time HP released an All-American team?

They obviously got it right in 1999. How does a corner with 10 picks for 101 yards with 90 tackles on well-known team not get picked? Come on. And let's not debate brand names here...HP...D3football.com...in d3football.com's first year releasing all-american selections. HP wins.

And the only reason Gardiner (who was a better lineman than somebody you listed to your All-American team, Pay Ryan) wasn't First-Team in 2001 on d3.com is because Pat Ryan played next to him...and while Gardiner was getting triple teamed, Ryan was getting his sacks.

Three All-Americans, not one. Just because they weren't a d3football.com All-American (which started releasing lists only 8 years ago) doesn't mean they weren't All-Americans. Like I said, a brand name like HP gets a little more credibility than a business (at the time) who was releasing a team for their first time.

Like I said, 3. There's your proof which you so desperately needed.

[Pat Coleman]

And your spirited defense of USAFootball.com? Any thoughts on trying to put a tutu on that pig?

HP was decent for its time. I'll take the team voted on by coaches, though, rather than the one by SIDs. Just in general, that seems like a good idea. Nothing against SIDs, but they're not watching video and scouting opponents. They're looking at stat lines. In this case, Benedictine 1999 stats were racked up against the IBFC, a SLIAC team and the worst two teams in the CCIW.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Mr. Ypsi-

Um, are YOU kidding (or just memory impaired)?  "...NCC would not win the IBC.

Uhm.....of course NCC would win the IBC, are you kidding me man?  You said they would have to beat CUW (which they easily did) and Lakeland (NCC would make Lakeland look silly). 

NCC would have no competition in the IBC, hands down winner every single year.  So I have no idea what you are talking about Ypsi.

Also realize preseason coaches rankings and polls mean absolutely nothing.  Need I remind you of a team out of Ann Arbor that was #5 in the nation in the preseason polls then got blown out 2 weeks in a row.......

thank you, predictions forthcoming.

baseman,

With all due respect, you have just flunked third-grade reading comprehension!  

I was quoting (then mocking) a post from Are you Kidding, since he made a statement which had ALREADY been proven false just days before.  I'm well aware that (if added to the 8 current members) CUW or Lakeland would finish somewhere between 6th and 8th in the CCIW this year.

[Are you Kidding]

And your spirited defense of USAFootball.com? Any thoughts on trying to put a tutu on that pig?

HP was decent for its time. I'll take the team voted on by coaches, though, rather than the one by SIDs. Just in general, that seems like a good idea. Nothing against SIDs, but they're not watching video and scouting opponents. They're looking at stat lines. In this case, Benedictine 1999 stats were racked up against the IBFC, a SLIAC team and the worst two teams in the CCIW.

My defense is the stats that Gardiner put up..which were disgusting...something around 40 sacks in only three years of football (didn't play his freshman year)(keep in mind he had 40 sacks with Pat Ryan grabbing 16 of them while feeding off of Gardiner's triple teams). I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of people who do that. Name them for us guru.

And I'll take HP over D3football.com when it was still going. The mere fact that Ryan was voted over Gardiner for All-American status in 2001 shows that the system was flawed enough. Why weren't these "coaches" watching? And if the IBC is so bad, why did D3football.com vote Ryan All-American?

Knock Benedictine's 1999 schedule all you want, but Verdone was still the best cornerback in the nation. He had tryouts from several pro teams, made an NFL Europe team but decided not to go, and played arena ball.

But I mean, what is Hewlett Packard anyways? Not a multi-million/billion dollar company or anything. D3football is though, right? I'm sure you're posting right now from your Yacht.

You need to accept the fact that although Division III football is your life, you don't know everything about it. Discrediting other publications simply because they voted differently than your site does not make them wrong. You need to accept that.

[Are you Kidding]

Are you Kidding,

Um, are YOU kidding (or just memory impaired)?  "...NCC would not win the IBC.  They would have to beat Conc-Wisc and Lakeland, which wouldn't happen."

September 8, 2007 (remember 4 days ago?): NCC 28, CUW 7.  Carthage (picked behind NCC in the CCIW Coaches' Poll) 35, Lakeland 16.

OOPS!

Unfortunately, I don't study Division III football on a week by week basis like you do. NCC beat Conc-Wisc? Great for them! Who won last year when it counted?

Either way, I was speaking as a whole...and over the course of history (and even the recent past) that Conc-Wisc and Lakeland are better teams than North Central. It's not my fault CUW is having a down year.

[Pat Coleman]

Yes. Making printers and computers and scientific calculators definitely qualifies you to name a Division III football All-American team.

AYK: HP was just the sponsor. I already told you who voted. Were you listening?

We felt there were probably a dozen corners in Division III who could've picked 10 balls against that schedule. That's why others made the team ahead of him. No offense to him as a player or person, but there were just others that were better. We wouldn't punish a player who played a better schedule.

Unfortunately, I don't study Division III football on a week by week basis like you do. NCC beat Conc-Wisc? Great for them! Who won last year when it counted?

North Central did.

http://www.d3football.com/releases.php?release=8938&scoreboard&year=2006

North Central had no problem avenging its earlier-season defeat to Concordia University (Wis.) after crushing the Falcons 35-6 in the first round of the NCAA III Playoffs Saturday, Nov. 18.

[baseman201]

Pat, you beat me to it......the playoffs are what counts, don't know what "are you kidding" is pertaining to.

Ypsi-

AHHHH, I guess I did flunk....I must apologize for not catching the sarcasm.....

But I guess we agree then, 

[Mr. Ypsi]

baseman,

We've all made silly mistakes from hasty reading.  +k for owning up!

[Are you Kidding]

Yes. Making printers and computers and scientific calculators definitely qualifies you to name a Division III football All-American team.

AYK: HP was just the sponsor. I already told you who voted. Were you listening?

We felt there were probably a dozen corners in Division III who could've picked 10 balls against that schedule. That's why others made the team ahead of him. No offense to him as a player or person, but there were just others that were better. We wouldn't punish a player who played a better schedule.

Unfortunately, I don't study Division III football on a week by week basis like you do. NCC beat Conc-Wisc? Great for them! Who won last year when it counted?

North Central did.

http://www.d3football.com/releases.php?release=8938&scoreboard&year=2006

North Central had no problem avenging its earlier-season defeat to Concordia University (Wis.) after crushing the Falcons 35-6 in the first round of the NCAA III Playoffs Saturday, Nov. 18.

Right, because being a brand means nothing. If we're using your logic, then Allstate never should've been able to buy the Rosemont Horizon because the CEO of Allstate wasn't a huge sports fan...and Minute Maid should not be the name of the Astros ballpark because the owner of the Astros actually does not like minute maid soft drinks.

Was I listening? No. I was reading. I know who votes. Coaches for one, SID's for the other. What's the big difference? Coaches are going to be more biased, and in fact are. Maybe they didn't like how one player acted against his team. Maybe he showed his team up? No vote for him. Do you think an SID cares? No. He'll go on facts. I know, I know....you were an SID for 3 years or whatever it was...and therefore you can speak for all SID's...even ones who have been doing it for 25 years.

Onto Verdone, a dozen corners better than him in D3 football with that schedule. Get real. How many of those dozen corners from 1999 that were better than him got pro tryouts, nfl europe tryouts, and played arena ball. Do you even remember the players names? I doubt it.

Verdone is the best player in the IBC in the past two decades, if not history. I'm willing to bet you never even saw him play.

[Are you Kidding]

And apparently I need to brush up on my D3 football over the past two years.

One thing is for sure, if you're going to try and say that over the course of history North Central has been a better team than Conc-Wisc, you're lying.

[Pat Coleman]

Pro tryouts are all about who you know (and dozens of kids get them a year). Plenty of kids could play Arena ball out of D-III if they didn't turn down chances in order to, you know, get a job and get on with their real lives.

Yawn. Your personal attacks mean nothing to me. You think much worse hasn't been flung at me in a decade between D3hoops and D3football? Spare me. You've got nothing new.

[Pat Coleman]

Right, because being a brand means nothing. If we're using your logic, then Allstate never should've been able to buy the Rosemont Horizon because the CEO of Allstate wasn't a huge sports fan...and Minute Maid should not be the name of the Astros ballpark because the owner of the Astros actually does not like minute maid soft drinks.

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