FB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference

[Mr. Ypsi]

Pat,

I've already subscribed to Kickoff, but let me give it a try! 

The d3sports.com brand is worthless because Pat Coleman doesn't like Orange Juice and doesn't sell enough insurance.  Am I close?

[Are you Kidding]

Pro tryouts are all about who you know (and dozens of kids get them a year). Plenty of kids could play Arena ball out of D-III if they didn't turn down chances in order to, you know, get a job and get on with their real lives.

Yawn. Your personal attacks mean nothing to me. You think much worse hasn't been flung at me in a decade between D3hoops and D3football? Spare me. You've got nothing new.

Whether that's true or not...which it isn't...though there is no reason to argue who does and doesn't get pro tryouts because I know you'll come up with more and more information to spew out.

Answer this then: if your argument for Verdone not being on your All-American was because of the conference he was in and the teams he played, then why did you select Pat Ryan for All-American when he wasn't even the best DL on his team? Pat Ryan went 2nd team all-conference and Gardiner was 1st team. How does that work?  In fact, the previous year, Gardiner put up better numbers on a better team. How does that work Guru?

[Gregory Sager]

Man, AYK sure opened up a great big can of wrong today. Looks like he's spilled most of it all over his shirt, too.

How does anyone believe that he can argue with credibility in a room where he insisted that North Central and Carthage are incapable of beating CUW and Lakeland, when in fact the Cards and Red Men actually beat CUW and Lakeland four days ago? And then when that incredible gaffe is pointed out to him, he retorts with a lame comeback about how he "doesn't study Division III football on a week-by-week basis" ... as though bothering to read the final scores of this league's games, which were posted in this room along with the IBC standings by Gomer Pyle last weekend, constituted "study[ing] Division III football".

How does it work that you can assume you're a big enough authority on D3 football in general to take on Pat Coleman and assert that so-and-so was the best cornerback in D3 eight years ago, and you're a big enough authority on this league specifically to pronounce who is capable of beating whom, but you don't even bother to find out who won last Saturday's games? That splash you heard was Pat laughing so hard that he fell off the side of his yacht.

Dismissing the old aphorism "quit while you're behind" as a quaint and unsuitable piece of advice, AYK then followed up this pair of gems with a backpedaling statement (in the form of a rhetorical question) about how North Central couldn't beat CUW "when it counted" ... only to be informed that the Cardinals beat CUW in the freakin' NCAA playoffs last season.

Hewlett-Packard called, AYK. They want a new spokesman.

[Gomer Pyle]

And apparently I need to brush up on my D3 football over the past two years.

One thing is for sure, if you're going to try and say that over the course of history North Central has been a better team than Conc-Wisc, you're lying.

   "over the course of history." 
    Here are some FACTS  I`d like to contribute but first as far as Con U, Wis goes. They do have a pretty impressive % over their football life which by the way, started in  1970.  From that year to 2006 it`s stands at .675.
   With 107 wins ........51 loses.  In that time frame they`ve won 4 Conference Championships and in 1981, 2004 they tied with others.
    Lakeland College on the other hand started in 1940. That aside, they have 114 wins.......90 loses.  Which is a winning %of .558.
    Con U, Wis has the upper hand % wise but in so far as Conference Championships go, Lakeland has won (5) out right and tied in 2004 with others.   
   I`m aware you were taking about North Central and CU-W but as you seem to navigate at will........For my money Lakeland "over history" is  better than NC or CU_W as far as Championships go.  That`s correct Maddog, Lakeland. Calm down AYK, that`s another long time poster.
    "Better team" ambiguous at best.
  A sarcastic retort with out civility   is expected. 
   Looks like your standing in for 7400West. 
     

[NCC_alum62]

Are you Kidding,

Um, are YOU kidding (or just memory impaired)?  "...NCC would not win the IBC.  They would have to beat Conc-Wisc and Lakeland, which wouldn't happen."

September 8, 2007 (remember 4 days ago?): NCC 28, CUW 7.  Carthage (picked behind NCC in the CCIW Coaches' Poll) 35, Lakeland 16.

OOPS!

Unfortunately, I don't study Division III football on a week by week basis like you do. NCC beat Conc-Wisc? Great for them! Who won last year when it counted?

Either way, I was speaking as a whole...and over the course of history (and even the recent past) that Conc-Wisc and Lakeland are better teams than North Central. It's not my fault CUW is having a down year.

35-6 in the NCAA play-off when it counted

[bufan]

Are You Kidding Me

You are just making excuses like,"Oh Lakeland had a down year, CUW is having a down year."  NCC would win the IBC this year, its not even debatable. Cause they just beat our likely conference champion by 21.  How are you gonna tell someone who played for all 3 coaches that im wrong.  No one was calling for Murray's head, he chose to leave on a whim, which set us back.  all the players were pushing for mitchell caue he was the D-coordinator under murray.  We thought it was the best choice, but i guess be careful what u wish for.  If you had any clue what it was like under mitchell as compared to cooper you would be more understanding.  A small example of how dfferent it was that isnt score related.  Mitchess requested a 300 check to order spirit pack stuff, cooper asked for 100 and we got more stuff.  There was shady **** going on and im not gonna "spew" more of another man's dirty laundry.  If you would like to know ill tell u i guess.  But the whole attitude changed with cooper as did the effort on the field.

[Pat Coleman]

To answer AYK's question about the 2001 decision, basically, we made the decision based on the information we had available and what we were able to find out. It is really difficult to tell if someone has great numbers because he gets a lot of chances when teams are avoiding someone else. We have continued to work on improving this part of the process, and, as I have gotten to know more coaches in the past eight years the site has improved overall.

[Big_Uns]

    Lakeland College on the other hand started in 1940. That aside, they have 114 wins.......90 loses.  Which is a winning %of .558.

This is concerning conference games only I assume?

[cudub]

And apparently I need to brush up on my D3 football over the past two years.

One thing is for sure, if you're going to try and say that over the course of history North Central has been a better team than Conc-Wisc, you're lying.

   "over the course of history." 
    Here are some FACTS  I`d like to contribute but first as far as Con U, Wis goes. They do have a pretty impressive % over their football life which by the way, started in  1970.  From that year to 2006 it`s stands at .675.
   With 107 wins ........51 loses.  In that time frame they`ve won 4 Conference Championships and in 1981, 2004 they tied with others.
    Lakeland College on the other hand started in 1940. That aside, they have 114 wins.......90 loses.  Which is a winning %of .558.
    Con U, Wis has the upper hand % wise but in so far as Conference Championships go, Lakeland has won (5) out right and tied in 2004 with others.   
   I`m aware you were taking about North Central and CU-W but as you seem to navigate at will........For my money Lakeland "over history" is  better than NC or CU_W as far as Championships go.  That`s correct Maddog, Lakeland. Calm down AYK, that`s another long time poster.
    "Better team" ambiguous at best.
  A sarcastic retort with out civility   is expected. 
   Looks like your standing in for 7400West. 
     

That argument makes no sense.  your telling me that Lakeland is a better team beacuse they have 1 more conference championship and a poorer winning percentage.  But they have been around for 30 more years!!! Thats just not an intelligent argument right there.

[HarryHood]

I've been surfing the IBC threads on and off for a couple years.  Anyone remember Pongo? Are You Kidding Me sounds a lot like Pongo reincarnated. 

[Gomer Pyle]

Cudud:
    If you had read all posts leading up  to that , maybe it would have made sense.
     Jumping in the middle of an on going to topic and saying."this doesn`t make any sense."   to that I say..............who cares!
    You`ve posted (4) times and your confused.   Hang in there.

[Macinsidelady]

FYI...

MacMurray Names New Director of Public Relations

MacMurray College President Colleen Hester announced the appointment of Mike Underwood, a 22-year news and media relations veteran, as the college's new public relations director. Underwood will oversee all media and public relations, publications and sports information for MacMurray, a growing liberal arts institution in West-Central Illinois. "I enthusiastically welcome Mike Underwood to the MacMurray College
community. We are confident that his extensive background in public relations will effectively communicate news about the many ways in which MacMurray College is thriving and transforming students' lives."
Underwood spent the last 8 years working for Illinois state government as a public information officer, outreach coordinator and graphic designer for Healthcare and Family Services. He has also served as a South Jacksonville Trustee, business owner and has been involved in many community based organizations in Jacksonville. Prior to his public service, Underwood served as a United States Air Force Officer with two tours in Desert Storm. Underwood holds a master's degree from Central Michigan University and is a 1985 graduate of Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville with a degree in communications Underwood and his wife, Jo Ellen, reside in Jacksonville with their two children,
Michael, 18 and Matthew, 13.

[Gomer Pyle]

    Lakeland College on the other hand started in 1940. That aside, they have 114 wins.......90 loses.  Which is a winning %of .558.

This is concerning conference games only I assume?

   The "quoted source" I used showed games in 10`s ( ie, 6-4  7-3  8-2 and so on.)   that indicates to me it`s the OVER=ALL record as opposed to a conference record.                   

[Gomer Pyle]

Macinsidelady: 
    Thanks for the up-date.  All I can say is it`s about time.   As the new
    Director of Public Relations who will "over see"  several functions
     including sports information, I wish him well. 
     
     

[Pat Coleman]

I think the post just specifically said that SID was not his only job.