FB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference

[mac_grad]

Pat's right...Mike is the director of ALL public relations.  Also, the Mac website has "Director of Information Technology" and "Sports Statistician" still listed in its employment opportunities.  So we'll see how much Mike has his hands on the football website.

[Gomer Pyle]

I think the post just specifically said that SID was not his only job.

MacMurray hired:
  New Director of Public Relations who will "over see"  the  sports information duties along with other functions.
  You are correct. 
   

[Gomer Pyle]

Pat's right...Mike is the director of ALL public relations.  Also, the Mac website has "Director of Information Technology" and "Sports Statistician" still listed in its employment opportunities.  So we'll see how much Mike has his hands on the football website.

  Hey, No piling on!   

[Pat Coleman]

I don't think it was piling on. When we wrote those posts, your post said something different than what it says now.

[Are you Kidding]

Man, AYK sure opened up a great big can of wrong today. Looks like he's spilled most of it all over his shirt, too.

How does anyone believe that he can argue with credibility in a room where he insisted that North Central and Carthage are incapable of beating CUW and Lakeland, when in fact the Cards and Red Men actually beat CUW and Lakeland four days ago? And then when that incredible gaffe is pointed out to him, he retorts with a lame comeback about how he "doesn't study Division III football on a week-by-week basis" ... as though bothering to read the final scores of this league's games, which were posted in this room along with the IBC standings by Gomer Pyle last weekend, constituted "study[ing] Division III football".

How does it work that you can assume you're a big enough authority on D3 football in general to take on Pat Coleman and assert that so-and-so was the best cornerback in D3 eight years ago, and you're a big enough authority on this league specifically to pronounce who is capable of beating whom, but you don't even bother to find out who won last Saturday's games? That splash you heard was Pat laughing so hard that he fell off the side of his yacht.

Dismissing the old aphorism "quit while you're behind" as a quaint and unsuitable piece of advice, AYK then followed up this pair of gems with a backpedaling statement (in the form of a rhetorical question) about how North Central couldn't beat CUW "when it counted" ... only to be informed that the Cardinals beat CUW in the freakin' NCAA playoffs last season.

Hewlett-Packard called, AYK. They want a new spokesman.

Based on the fact that you have a North Park avatar, I'm not sure if I should take you seriously. But, for argument's sake, I will just this one time.

If you took reading in first grade, you would know that I never said Carthage was incapable of beating CUW and Lakeland. That aside, my point was that on a year by year basis, North Central is not a team who would consistently compete with Lakeland or Conc-Wisc. Both teams have had down years the past two years (for their program's standards). If you follow the IBC, you would know that.

With regards to the scores, no, I don't study D3 football. I just joined the site two days ago. I wasn't looking up scores.

So North Central has beaten them in two down years? Big deal. North Central and Lakeland have both been more successful over the course of history.

Feel free to get off the guru's you know what while you're at it, you're doing it in PDA form.

And apparently I need to brush up on my D3 football over the past two years.

One thing is for sure, if you're going to try and say that over the course of history North Central has been a better team than Conc-Wisc, you're lying.

   "over the course of history." 
    Here are some FACTS  I`d like to contribute but first as far as Con U, Wis goes. They do have a pretty impressive % over their football life which by the way, started in  1970.  From that year to 2006 it`s stands at .675.
   With 107 wins ........51 loses.  In that time frame they`ve won 4 Conference Championships and in 1981, 2004 they tied with others.
    Lakeland College on the other hand started in 1940. That aside, they have 114 wins.......90 loses.  Which is a winning %of .558.
    Con U, Wis has the upper hand % wise but in so far as Conference Championships go, Lakeland has won (5) out right and tied in 2004 with others.   
   I`m aware you were taking about North Central and CU-W but as you seem to navigate at will........For my money Lakeland "over history" is  better than NC or CU_W as far as Championships go.  That`s correct Maddog, Lakeland. Calm down AYK, that`s another long time poster.
    "Better team" ambiguous at best.
  A sarcastic retort with out civility   is expected. 
   Looks like your standing in for 7400West. 
     

I'm not sure what you want me to say, as you helped my argument. All I can really do is thank you. Then again, I'm sure you love looking up past statistics. When I get some time on my hands like you seem to during the work day, I'll do that.

Are You Kidding Me

You are just making excuses like,"Oh Lakeland had a down year, CUW is having a down year."  NCC would win the IBC this year, its not even debatable. Cause they just beat our likely conference champion by 21.  How are you gonna tell someone who played for all 3 coaches that im wrong.  No one was calling for Murray's head, he chose to leave on a whim, which set us back.  all the players were pushing for mitchell caue he was the D-coordinator under murray.  We thought it was the best choice, but i guess be careful what u wish for.  If you had any clue what it was like under mitchell as compared to cooper you would be more understanding.  A small example of how dfferent it was that isnt score related.  Mitchess requested a 300 check to order spirit pack stuff, cooper asked for 100 and we got more stuff.  There was shady **** going on and im not gonna "spew" more of another man's dirty laundry.  If you would like to know ill tell u i guess.  But the whole attitude changed with cooper as did the effort on the field.

I'm not gonna lie, I haven't followed the IBC this year at all this year. But what is true is the fact that NCC hasn't been a better team than Lakeland or Conc-Wisc (with the exception of this year or last, 2 down years for both teams).

And please, stop making up information. Murray was shoed out by Swanson, Redmond, and the rest of the administration. DON'T act like he was welcome to stay. Murray was simply a replacement for Jeff Hand, who quit the summer before the 2001 season. Out of desperation, the grabbed Murray from Dubuque, who had a horrendous record in his few years there.

I really don't care if you sat on the bench for four years under three coaches. That's your problem. But if you're going to list information about the school, at least be accurate, which you haven't been once so far.

To answer AYK's question about the 2001 decision, basically, we made the decision based on the information we had available and what we were able to find out. It is really difficult to tell if someone has great numbers because he gets a lot of chances when teams are avoiding someone else. We have continued to work on improving this part of the process, and, as I have gotten to know more coaches in the past eight years the site has improved overall.

Based on the information made available? You're acting like you had no idea who Gardiner was. *Knock Knock* guru, Gardiner was named to your 2001 Preaseason All-American team after you goofed by not naming him to the 2000 team. How would you not know who he is? Obviously, you knew that he played for Benedictine. It just so happened that the following year somebody who played on his SAME defensive line (Ryan, a player who already had 2 years of D3 football and was UNKNOWN) had some amazing year, and you wouldn't stop to think about who's team he was on before you named him to your AA team??

Stop lying and looking for excuses. You've been caught. Just say your All-American system is flawed because you act like you know certain regions of D3 football when you never even pay attention to them.

[Pat Coleman]

Yawn, dude. You don't like our decision. We get that. Took you six years to get around to complaining.

Believe me, whoever you are, I have no reason to lie to you. I simply don't care about anonymous six-year-old complaints.

[NCC_alum62]

Wow, AYK.  You've managed to come off as the biggest azz of all.

"Based on the fact that you have a North Park avatar, I'm not sure if I should take you seriously. But, for argument's sake, I will just this one time." -AYK

First you attack Gregory Sager, one of the most respected posters on D3sports.com, not a good move.  He can tear you to pieces in a literary context.  I'm not even joking he's like superman with a thesaurus. :-)

So you joined the site two days ago? BIG DEAL. No one cares, because you're spouting out alot of useless garbage, and you don't back it up with anything factual.  All the stats, conference records are at you finger tips on this site. Top 25s, conference records, links to schools if you want to go hardcore and look up stats of individual players...

It takes 15 minutes to actually take a second and post something meaningful.

"Both teams have had down years the past two years (for their program's standards). If you follow the IBC, you would know that" -AYK

Um, I'm pretty sure the folks that are responding to you have, Lakeland yes went 5-5 last year, but went 5-2 in the IBC tied for 2nd, CUW went 10-1 (10-0 in regular season) how is that not the exact oppositte of a down year, expecially given the IBC's play-off record.

[Mugsy]

I'm sitting here banging my head against my monitor in attempt to see if that will help me understand the drivel and preposterous logic applied by "Are you kidding".







In case you are wondering... it hasn't help.  Maybe I need to use enough force to make myself dizzy, then it will all make sense.

[Mugsy]

Nope... still not doing it.

[Big_Uns]

    Lakeland College on the other hand started in 1940. That aside, they have 114 wins.......90 loses.  Which is a winning %of .558.

This is concerning conference games only I assume?

   The "quoted source" I used showed games in 10`s ( ie, 6-4  7-3  8-2 and so on.)   that indicates to me it`s the OVER=ALL record as opposed to a conference record.                   

Ok, because Lakeland's first football team played in 1934, and the program has an overall record of 305 wins, 276 losses and 13 ties, that according to the college's football media guide.

[cudub]

And apparently I need to brush up on my D3 football over the past two years.

One thing is for sure, if you're going to try and say that over the course of history North Central has been a better team than Conc-Wisc, you're lying.

   "over the course of history." 
    Here are some FACTS  I`d like to contribute but first as far as Con U, Wis goes. They do have a pretty impressive % over their football life which by the way, started in  1970.  From that year to 2006 it`s stands at .675.
   With 107 wins ........51 loses.  In that time frame they`ve won 4 Conference Championships and in 1981, 2004 they tied with others.
    Lakeland College on the other hand started in 1940. That aside, they have 114 wins.......90 loses.  Which is a winning %of .558.
    Con U, Wis has the upper hand % wise but in so far as Conference Championships go, Lakeland has won (5) out right and tied in 2004 with others.   
   I`m aware you were taking about North Central and CU-W but as you seem to navigate at will........For my money Lakeland "over history" is  better than NC or CU_W as far as Championships go.  That`s correct Maddog, Lakeland. Calm down AYK, that`s another long time poster.
    "Better team" ambiguous at best.
  A sarcastic retort with out civility   is expected. 
   Looks like your standing in for 7400West. 
     

That argument makes no sense.  your telling me that Lakeland is a better team beacuse they have 1 more conference championship and a poorer winning percentage.  But they have been around for 30 more years!!! Thats just not an intelligent argument right there.

Im not here to be one of those guys who starts fights, but i HAVE read the entire discussion, as i have been reading this board for two years.  And your right i have only posted 4 times, but it doesnt take a member of MENSA to figure out how to have a logical online discussion.  I apologize for sounding like an ass (i guess) in that other post, but all im saying is i really do not agree with your reasoning.

[old 40]

This debate on AYKM started with him/her wanting Jon Cooper fired at Benedictine. Obviously he has a deep rooted ax to grind.

The IBFC and CCIW debate is short. Year end and year out the top teams in the CCIW will dominate the IBFC. Who those teams are, will change year to year. Several years ago NCC was struggling but IWC was the power. I remember seeing them play AU in the first round of the playoffs(AU was 10-0) and lost. In most recent history Augi, Wheaton, Carthage and NCC would certainly dominate the IBFC. I mean no disrespect to the IBFC teams, since I have an affiliation with a  couple of the teams. I saw the Carthage/Lakeland game and they were better than Lakeland. Lakeland competed as best they could.

Lets forget this poster and move on discussing IBFC football on a positive basis and not worry about getting someone fired or who was an All-American. As the"DA COACH" used to say only cowards and losers live in the past. Only the 2007 is important. I hope some of you post your picks.

[baseman201]

Old 40-

No disrespect taken for you saying the CCIW being a better conference.  I am sure all of us IBC posters and those affiliated with the conference know it's one of the weakest conferences in all of D-III.....so none taken, at least not from me.

Speaking of picks, I think I am the only one this week to post picks.  I am not sure anyone saw them because of this fellow that goes by the name of "Are you Kidding" that was taking up most of the posts.  So allow me to post them again.

Predictions-

Lakeland Vs. UW-Oshkosh:
UW-Oshkosh is in one of the best conferences in D-III....I guess that's all I have to say.

Lakeland - 10
Oshkosh - 35

Eureka Vs. North Park:
Seems evenly matched....Eureka will use the slanted field to their advantage and Billy Bob cheering in the trailer park for some motivation.

Eureka - 7
North Park - 3

CUC Vs. Rose Hulman:
I just hate to do this, Rose Hulman in my opinion is better then U. of Chicago......but I hope they prove me wrong.

CUC - 17
Rose Hulman - 40

CUW Vs. Wisconsin Lutheran:
Wis. Lutheran seemed improved before the blowout at the hands of Dubuque.  Have no idea what will happen, but will go with Concordia with Wis. Lutheran hanging tough.

CUW - 21
Wis. Lutheran - 14

Greenville Vs. Taylor:
Don't know ANYTHING about Taylor, I only know they are 0-2 and Greenville is pretty darn good.

Greenville - 35
Taylor - 10

Benedictine Vs. NCC:
Uhm, bad news.

Benedictine - 7
NCC - 51

Well that's it, let's here some more.

[NCC_alum62]

I'm not sure if NCC will get to 51, the WR's and QB's don't seem to have it together enough to put up rediculous numbers, respectable for sure, but I think thier strength is the spread option/counter with Dominic Sulo and Izzy Brown.

Dominic had 4 TD's (out of four total TD's scored by NCC) at CUW last week.  I look for him to have a big game, but unless NCC can get a good balance to keep the defense from stacking 7-8 in the box it could be tough. (normally it would be 8-9, but because the Cards spread it out its too dangerous to put 8-9 in the box).  Cards used some two back shotgun last week.  If Benedictine can key into what the cards are doing it could be a low scoring affair, but the Cardinal D was impressive against CUW, I look for another strong performance this weekend.  I'm hoping with the Cards running the ball well Izzy might have a nice game spelling Sulo.

Anyone from the board gunna be at the game?

[Mugsy]

Hmm... nope.  Mashing my head on the monitor at home isn't helping either.