FB: Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference

[Gregory Sager]

Final from Eureka:

NPU 33
Eureka 12

Pretty much a reprise of last season's Vikings romp at NPU.

[Gomer Pyle]

D-3 Scoreboard:
   
(1)  Beneditine-0   At  North Central-47
  (2)  Taylor-35 at  Greenville-28.   Not what  Greenville expected I`m sure but as it was a non-conference game, may be more of an embarrassment than anything else. 
  (3) UW_Oshkosh-62     Lakeland-7.  UW_O is now 3-0,  scoring 140 points for and only 16 against.  Give Lakeland credit for scheduling strong non-conference opponents. Whose collective records are (to this point) 8-1.
    Maddog, remember the good old days. 
  (4)  Con,Wis.-32  vs  Wis Lutheran-14.  (2) weak teams loom on the
   horizon as CU_W  next couple of games are against Eureka and MacMurray.   
  (5) Rose-Hulman 31   CU_C 13
     .  "Believers"  there is light at the end of the tunnel.  You still get to play Eureka and MacMurray. 2 wins guaranteed.   
   
   
     
       

[neweraibfc]

I was at the North Central - Benedictine game yesterday...just a casual observation, but if BU wasn't completly inept offensivly they could have been in a position to play for a win.  Anyone else's thoughts?

[baseman201]

Neweraibfc-

Was that a sarcastic comment??

Because I didn't see any yellow icons.

Pat told us to use the yellow icons when we are being sarcastic or not serious.

[Are you Kidding]

Sager,

I don't visit this site everyday, so don't get too excited that I haven't responded to his obscenely long post. This isn't a matter of "oh snap he didn't respond, you da man."
The truth is, I just read the post, well, some of it. I'm not going to take my entire evening muli-quoting separate parts of your post just to get you excited.

I know it makes you feel important when you write a very long post...and I'm sure it excites certain people on this site because they have nothing interesting going on in their lives...hence, why they sit on this messageboard hours a day discussing division three football.

Let's get something straight though...just because you sit here with your thesaurus and try to sound smarter than you are does not make you important.

My points have been simple, yet true.

It all started with the Guru stating that All-American teams other than D3football.com and the other one were not worth the paper they are printed on. I argued that it was not true. I don't know how someone can sit here and discredit an HP All-American team, especially when the player I named was amazing.

The Guru said that he wasn't chosen because "they" thought a dozen db's that year would have had similar stats playing in the IBC with the schedule Benedictine had.

I mention somebody from Benedictine going D3football.com AA...and that it was because of double teams to a better player. He said that it was difficult to tell if someone has great numbers because somebody else was being double teamed. 

How can it be difficult to tell that when he named the other DL on that team to his Preseason All-American team? Wouldn't it cross his mind that "wow, this guy from Benedictine put up great numbers...but didn't I name somebody else to the Preseason team? Wait, they are both D-lineman, is there a correlation?"

I'm just looking for some consistency here. That is not much to ask.

Finally, my point regarding North Central College not being the best in the IBC was a year in/year out thing, not simply based on games that have happened in the last 12 months.

CUW and Lakeland have been better than NCC over the course of history...and it's simple as that. That does not mean NCC wasn't better this year or last.

And if you would like to argue that Lakeland has not had down years the past 2 years, you're pretty dumb. 0-3 this year...5-5 last year. That's a down year for a team like Lakeland.

But go ahead, open up that Thesaurus and try to sound smart in your next post. Make sure you multi-quote everything and take a long time revising your post. You have people to impress on this messageboard. Don't screw it up.

[Are you Kidding]

Somebody tell me what Jon Cooper does all week, because he certainly does not game plan.

141 yards of total offense? That's with a 68 yard final drive. So 73 yards?

73 YARDS OF OFFENSE? Come on. Someone tell me. What does this guy do all week during film, meetings, etc. You don't need to gameplan to gain 73 yards of offense. Add that to the 101 yards of offtense against Elmhurst. What is going on?

BU allowed 261 yards rushing also. What did the defense do all week in practice?

This is beyond pathetic.

Benedictine's administration needs to take action. If the last two coaches got 2 years, this man should've be out by now. If he's not out by season's end, Benedictine's football program should just fold.

[Big_Uns]

Big_Uns:
   I found this information under: Lakeland College Athletics News.
    Veteran IBFC Coordinator is New lakeland College Football Coach.
    Athletics: Posted 7/2/07.

   Down in the body of the article is says"  ..............Lakeland prepares
   for it`s 71st season.
   2007 minus 71=1936.
   Yet The Lakeland Media Guide you ref says, first football played in 1934.
   Certainly not a big deal but for accuracy, I wonder which it is?
   Let me put a  in there so you know this is just a conversation about a
   subject we`ve been hashing around.
   Do you have the means to see which it is? 
   
   
     

Pat and SCARED KITTY are correct.

[pg04]

Sager,

I don't visit this site everyday, so don't get too excited that I haven't responded to his obscenely long post. This isn't a matter of "oh snap he didn't respond, you da man."
The truth is, I just read the post, well, some of it. I'm not going to take my entire evening muli-quoting separate parts of your post just to get you excited.

I know it makes you feel important when you write a very long post...and I'm sure it excites certain people on this site because they have nothing interesting going on in their lives...hence, why they sit on this messageboard hours a day discussing division three football.

Let's get something straight though...just because you sit here with your thesaurus and try to sound smarter than you are does not make you important.

My points have been simple, yet true.

It all started with the Guru stating that All-American teams other than D3football.com and the other one were not worth the paper they are printed on. I argued that it was not true. I don't know how someone can sit here and discredit an HP All-American team, especially when the player I named was amazing.

The Guru said that he wasn't chosen because "they" thought a dozen db's that year would have had similar stats playing in the IBC with the schedule Benedictine had.

I mention somebody from Benedictine going D3football.com AA...and that it was because of double teams to a better player. He said that it was difficult to tell if someone has great numbers because somebody else was being double teamed. 

How can it be difficult to tell that when he named the other DL on that team to his Preseason All-American team? Wouldn't it cross his mind that "wow, this guy from Benedictine put up great numbers...but didn't I name somebody else to the Preseason team? Wait, they are both D-lineman, is there a correlation?"

I'm just looking for some consistency here. That is not much to ask.

Finally, my point regarding North Central College not being the best in the IBC was a year in/year out thing, not simply based on games that have happened in the last 12 months.

CUW and Lakeland have been better than NCC over the course of history...and it's simple as that. That does not mean NCC wasn't better this year or last.

And if you would like to argue that Lakeland has not had down years the past 2 years, you're pretty dumb. 0-3 this year...5-5 last year. That's a down year for a team like Lakeland.

But go ahead, open up that Thesaurus and try to sound smart in your next post. Make sure you multi-quote everything and take a long time revising your post. You have people to impress on this messageboard. Don't screw it up.

So you respond to what you call "an obscenely long post" with an obscenely long post bashing Sager calling him dumb while you are combining the words "Message" and "board" for some reason? 

[Mr. Ypsi]

AyK,

May I submit the possibility that BU's main problem is not bad coaches, but high turnover of coaches (which you wish to extend)?  And their problem on Saturday was not inept coaching but that they ran into a vastly superior team?  (Voters in the poll were so impressed by NCC's 47-0 victory that they fell from 13th to 14th.)

I see that you are now claiming ONLY a down period for Lakeland (despite them finishing tied for 2nd in the IBC, and a favorite in the race again this year), rather than them AND CUW.  That may be wise, since last year CUW had the only 10-0 regular season in their history - if that's down, don't let them ever be up!

Before you continue to make a fool of yourself against people who know something about d3 football, perhaps you should gain a tiny bit of knowledge.

(BTW, despite jokes to the contrary, I'm not sure Greg even OWNS a thesaurus.  Despite attending that football factory known as North Park, I think he got a reasonably good education anyway.)

[FatalImpact]

I agree with Big Uns

[Mr. Ypsi]

AyK,

BTW, just checked the Lakeland website.  While they didn't have records (that I found, at least) prior to 2002, their regular season records were 2005: 8-2, 2004: 7-3, 2003: 8-2, 2002: 6-4 (with a note that it was their first winning season since 1998).  5-5 in 2006 was 'way down' from which 'Golden Age'??

[NCC_alum62]

Sager,

I don’t visit this site everyday, so don’t get too excited that I haven’t responded to his obscenely long post. This isn’t a matter of “oh snap he didn’t respond, you da man.”
The truth is, I just read the post, well, some of it. I’m not going to take my entire evening muli-quoting separate parts of your post just to get you excited.

I know it makes you feel important when you write a very long post…and I’m sure it excites certain people on this site because they have nothing interesting going on in their lives…hence, why they sit on this messageboard hours a day discussing division three football.

Let’s get something straight though…just because you sit here with your thesaurus and try to sound smarter than you are does not make you important.

My points have been simple, yet true.

It all started with the Guru stating that All-American teams other than D3football.com and the other one were not worth the paper they are printed on. I argued that it was not true. I don’t know how someone can sit here and discredit an HP All-American team, especially when the player I named was amazing.

The Guru said that he wasn’t chosen because “they” thought a dozen db’s that year would have had similar stats playing in the IBC with the schedule Benedictine had.

I mention somebody from Benedictine going D3football.com AA…and that it was because of double teams to a better player. He said that it was difficult to tell if someone has great numbers because somebody else was being double teamed. 

How can it be difficult to tell that when he named the other DL on that team to his Preseason All-American team? Wouldn’t it cross his mind that “wow, this guy from Benedictine put up great numbers…but didn’t I name somebody else to the Preseason team? Wait, they are both D-lineman, is there a correlation?”

I’m just looking for some consistency here. That is not much to ask.

Finally, my point regarding North Central College not being the best in the IBC was a year in/year out thing, not simply based on games that have happened in the last 12 months.

CUW and Lakeland have been better than NCC over the course of history…and it’s simple as that. That does not mean NCC wasn’t better this year or last.

And if you would like to argue that Lakeland has not had down years the past 2 years, you’re pretty dumb. 0-3 this year…5-5 last year. That’s a down year for a team like Lakeland.

But go ahead, open up that Thesaurus and try to sound smart in your next post. Make sure you multi-quote everything and take a long time revising your post. You have people to impress on this messageboard. Don’t screw it up.

Actually I made the Thesaurus crack, not Greg...so you're pretty much 0 for the century on that...

I didn't see a single person come on here and say NCC had a better historical record...find the quote and put it up if you can...but you can't.  Those of us that were discussing were talking about the recent past and present situation of football in the IBC and CCIW.   Which you still come off as a complete jack azz when trying to say anything meaningful.

Those of us that post that actually attended NCC KNOW! We know how bad the program used to be in CCIW play.  I lived it for one season before Thorne came and turned the program around and got to enjoy three good seasons with his coaching staff.  I've seen Cardinal football be bad.  But the point you keep missing is the fact that we're not talking about the historical aspect, we're talking about THIS season, not what would have happened 30-20-10 years ago.


But since you say keep bringing up the past here are some stats for you:

NCC vs IBC Alltime:

vs Aurora: 3-0
vs Benedictine: 15-3
vs Concordia Chicago: 6-2
vs Concordia Wisconsin: 2-1
vs Eureka: 5-3

never played MacMurray, Greenville, or Lakeland, so since 1898 NCC is 31-7 vs the current IBC all time.

[Gregory Sager]

Six Sure Signs That Someone Has Lost An Internet Argument:

1. He's complaining about the length of a post rather than its content -- particularly if his complaint post is long, too.

2. He's sniping at the broad vocabulary of his opponent, rather than at what those big words are actually saying. This is an especially bad tactic to use if he's elsewhere demeaning his opponent's intelligence. After all, even ad hominem attacks require some consistency.

3. He's jettisoning his responses to what his opponent has actually said, in favor of a lengthy response to what some other opponent (i.e., Pat Coleman) said in a completely separate argument that didn't involve the first opponent at all.

4. The ol' "get a life" or "you people have nothing better to do than write/read posts all day" ploy. Note for future reference to anyone who wishes to play this card: This is not the proverbial ace in the hole in rhetorical poker.

5. He's inadvertently providing the "messageboard" with punchlines:

I'm just looking for some consistency here. That is not much to ask.

... and, last but not least ...

6. He keeps falling into the same hole that he dug for himself when the argument began. To wit:

CUW and Lakeland have been better than NCC over the course of history and it's simple as that. That does not mean NCC wasn't better this year or last.

And yet:

Also, Elmhurst or NCC would not win the IBC. They would have to beat Conc-Wisc and Lakeland, which wouldn't happen.

"Over the course of history"? That quote of yours from Wednesday wasn't worded in the past tense, m'boy. Now, as a graduate of a school with a bad football team I've obviously received an inferior education, but I'm pretty darn sure that, "They would have to beat Conc-Wisc and Lakeland, which wouldn't happen"
is what we simple folk like to call a present conditional statement. In other words, your concluding blurt from this evening's extravaganza, "That does not mean that NCC wasn't better this year or last", directly contradicts the statement above that you made on Wednesday.

Sorry that I'm forced to keep parsing your statements like that, but, after all, I'm just looking for some consistency here. That is not much to ask.

Right?

And if you would like to argue that Lakeland has not had down years the past 2 years, you're pretty dumb. 0-3 this year 5-5 last year. That's a down year for a team like Lakeland.

So you're going to keep insisting upon arguing about two IBC seasons that you also insist that you haven't followed? Man, you really are the gift that keeps on giving, aren't you?

OK, let's look at the evidence. Here's Lakeland's IBC records since 1999:

year	W-L	place
2006	5-2	2nd
2005	7-0	1st
2004	6-1	1st
2003	6-1	2nd
2002	4-3	4th
2001	3-4	5th
2000	3-4	4th
1999	4-3	2nd

Yeah, that's pretty far down, all right. The poor Muskies must be beside themselves, having plummeted all the way down to second place last season. What a free fall. Off with the Lakeland coach's head!

As for Lakeland's non-conference performance, the Muskies have lost at least two regular-season non-conference games every year since '99, with the exception of '02 and '03. The reason why they're losing all three of them now rather than merely two is simple: Starting last season, Lakeland replaced Northwestern (MN) on the schedule with UW-Oshkosh -- and the schools with whom Lakeland had a contract before Northwestern (MN) were hapless even by Northwestern's marginal standards: Tri-State and Colorado College.

UWO has gone 7-0 against CUW and Lakeland since 2002, and the last four of those wins (two against the Falcons, two against the Muskies) have been by a combined score of 155-33. Think that this switch in opponents for '06 might've somehow made a difference in Lakeland's non-conference performance? Hmm?

I also couldn't help but notice that CUW is conspicuously absent from this particular diatribe of yours. On Thursday afternoon (post #3606) you informed me that CUW was down last year, and added, "If you followed the IBC, you would know that." In fact, you said twice within that Thursday afternoon post that the Falcons were down in '06. Shortly thereafter, NCC_alum62 kindly informed you that CUW went 10-1 last season and was the undefeated champion in IBC play. Your silence with regard to NCC_alum62's point is deafening.

I await with bated breath your further thoughts about the seasons that you haven't been following this league.

(BTW, despite jokes to the contrary, I'm not sure Greg even OWNS a thesaurus.

Of course I don't own a thesaurus, Chuck. Everyone knows that dinosaurs became extinct millions of years ago.

[ncc58]

Benedictine actually beat NCC in 2002. Since then, the games have become one sided. Now, you can attribute that to John Cooper but it also coincides with John Thorne coming to NCC.

It wasn't the worst defeat that BU has ever had to NCC. In 1979, it was 61-0 and a few years ago it was 55-0. NCC has shutout BU in three of the last four years.

This is beyond pathetic.

Benedictine's administration needs to take action. If the last two coaches got 2 years, this man should've be out by now. If he's not out by season's end, Benedictine's football program should just fold.

[Pat Coleman]

How can it be difficult to tell that when he named the other DL on that team to his Preseason All-American team?

Easy. We don't look at the preseason team for one second when putting together the postseason team. It isn't fair to judge a 2002 postseason team off of 2001 performance.

Your insistence at continuing this argument makes me think you're the guy we left off. Why did it take you five years to complain?