FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[footballfan413]

I don't have the answer to your question, but since there are a number of state schools in Div-III (e.g. the U-W schools) their salaries should be a matter of public record.

That would be comparing apples and oranges, I believe.  I would guess that the salary of many DIII coaches at the state schools tends to run less than a lot of private school coaching positions.  Especially where the school is a part of a system like in the WIAC where equity must be considered between many schools and programs.   Salaries remain pretty stable and all within certain perameters.  One school can't suddenly decide to throw a lot of money at a great coach to make him happy or to make their coaching position more attractive to potential coaching candidates.  The rest in the system would be crying foul. 
    At the risk of bringing up the public vs. private debate again. 

[wally_wabash]

I would think that leading a team to a national championship probably has to put Coach Leipold at the top of the heap in the WIAC and competitive with some of the other upper tier salaries in D-III.  It just has to, right?  I understand the fair and balanced point of view from within the WIAC, but the WIAC isn't competing for coaches with just the WIAC...there are 230 other schools in the division that also have to be considered here.  I couldn't see Leipold's salary being significantly less than what passes for "very good" nationally in Division-III (Jones's salary being an exception). 

[BashBacker#16]

Smeds,

Ya, that does sound kind of bad doesn't it.  It's actually what happens when a psycho-football fan Little Giant alum is American Seating's corporate attorney and has them at a killer price.  Right Wabco?  If that is not good enough, if Fran Hollett wants comfortable seats, I say we give them to her.

Speaking of lines on football fields, that is so gross...  That was the only thing I did not like about Denison's sweet set up was the 42 million lines on the field for 15 different sports...    Plus, after the game, they were pretty militant to keep the families and fans off the turf - kind of over kill in my opinion.

[footballfan413]

Actually, the 413 came about when I got my first e-mail address on AOL in the mid 90's.  When I picked an address, it wouldn't allow it without assigning those random numbers to it.  True story.  It just stuck. 

[footballfan413]

I would think that leading a team to a national championship probably has to put Coach Leipold at the top of the heap in the WIAC and competitive with some of the other upper tier salaries in D-III.  It just has to, right?  I understand the fair and balanced point of view from within the WIAC, but the WIAC isn't competing for coaches with just the WIAC...there are 230 other schools in the division that also have to be considered here.  I couldn't see Leipold's salary being significantly less than what passes for "very good" nationally in Division-III (Jones's salary being an exception). 

I think you would be surprised what he was hired for, Wally, (I don't know exactly,) and signing a contract before winning the Championship means the win is not reflective in his contract yet. 

[joepieters]

That would be comparing apples and oranges, I believe.  I would guess that the salary of many DIII coaches at the state schools tends to run less than a lot of private school coaching positions.

I don't disagree, but it will be accurate w/ respect to those coaches and it sets some parameter for estimating the salaries of private school coaches.  IMHO anything you see with respect to private school coaches is going to be little more than conjecture and hearsay.

[footballfan413]

That would be comparing apples and oranges, I believe.  I would guess that the salary of many DIII coaches at the state schools tends to run less than a lot of private school coaching positions.

I don't disagree, but it will be accurate w/ respect to those coaches and it sets some parameter for estimating the salaries of private school coaches.  IMHO anything you see with respect to private school coaches is going to be little more than conjecture and hearsay.

Good point.

[smedindy]

See if the 990s of various schools mention the football coaches amongst the top salaries. That's a hint from a prospect researcher!

[WallyFS4]

This will not answer the question of the DIII salaries.  Our local paper did an article on the salaries of the Big 10 coaches.  I was amazed at who was the top pay and the lowest paid.  Here is atricle that covers most of the DI conferences.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2007-12-04-coaches-pay_N.htm

Click on salary database on the left side of the page.

Thought that you might be as suprised as I was.

[smedindy]

Maybe we can get one or two seats for people like that. But we should never have the president sitting anywhere but where he is right now...

[wally_wabash]

The president's suite box at CWRU looked pretty awesome.  Completely over the top for D-III, but still looked cool.  But I'm with you smeds...I like that the president is out in the elements with the fans. 

Hollett could certainly use some improvements and better accommodations for some of our fans.  I would hope that such amenities wouldn't force the College to adopt any kind of reserved seating policy...I think we can have it both ways here. 

[joepieters]

As I mentioned when the photos of the Case suites were linked on this board, there was only one president of Wabash who would ever watch a Little Giant game in a suite.  Happily, he is now employed elsewhere.

[wab64]

Where is everyone?? With no posts for 2 days and no obvious thread running, I thought I could tell a story. Being as how I'm 70 miles east of Duluth, I thought to contact Greg Carlson, almost legendary Wabash coach, in his new venue at the College of St Scholastica, where he will be commencing a d3 football program from scratch this fall. When he returned my call I said that I had been present at the last game he coached, Monon Bell 2000, the 6th consecutive loss I saw going back to my freshman year (1960).
     I told him that I had always thought it was a dirty Irish trick to fire him when he was one short of the most wins for a Wabash coach, trailing only Pete Vaughn (who IS legendary). I figure there should have been at least 2 games on the 2001 schedule he could have won, but as a dedicated Wabash realist, and cynic, then we would have had to put up with him coaching against DePauw again.
    He seemed quite happy, assembling a staff and recruiting, and glad to be back in the frozen north. He is from Wisconsin and went to UW Oshkosh. I said recruiting was something to consider since my exposure to high school football up here has led me to conclude that the players are either skinny white Lutherans or fat sloppy Indians. However there is a school with about 450 students who has sent a number of linemen to Wisconsin, 2 were all Big Ten. (fat muscular Lutherans).
      This all was before the CC catastrophe, so I didn't sound him out about getting the Hammers back. I still think that BJ Hammer is one of the best names ever for a football player/coach, right up there with Bronko Nagurske. Of course, then Spud Dick came along.

[wabco]

All Little Giants are VIPs.  I think BB 16 may have been a little inaccurate in his reference.  What is under discussion is creating an area more hospitable to those with a physical challenges so that they have the same opportunity as the able bodied to watch the Wabash victories from the top of the stadium.  Not sure it will happen, but if it does ... will entail an elevator and an area created IN ADDITION to existing seating.  If this happens, which I hope it will, it should be really something to be proud of and something Wabash will be in a leadership position in creating.  As with Wabash other areas, I feel sure it will not be restricted.  PLUS ... how about taking a recruit and his parents to the top of the stadium by elevator to see the new/improved Wabash outdoor baseball, soccer, football sports complex (and what a great spot for ... say ... a cocktail party?)

Someone had concern about track field events needing grass/earth landing areas.  It is my underatanding that they will be moved to an area hospitable to these events.

Football:  How about field turf WITH NO soccer or other lines except football.  My personal color is for a red field with white stripes ... but suspect that will not win out.  But I do believe there will be a unique Wabash color treatment.  How about a practice field also in field turf and a second one in grass? Think of our Allen Center.  It will be done "right".  New/improved press box, restrooms, paving under the stadium are a few other improvements.  Lights?

Soccer:  Look for a field turf field WITH NO FOOTBALL MARKINGS.  Also, seating, mound grass viewing area, press box, restrooms ... and other such things.  It should be in the forefront of D III soccer facilities.

Baseball:  No football or soccer markings here.  How about outfield walls, major league baseball dugouts, bullpens, press box, restrooms, and seating. Probably in grass as is more tradiitional (not sure here), and look for some creativity in field design.  Should be fun.  Lights? 

All this will be a part of the outsoor sports complex we will all be very proud of ... my understanding ... it will be done "right".  SO ... gentlemen ... soon it will be "step up" time with your checkbooks to help make all the "extras" a reality.  It will happen.  Look for all this to BE for the '09-10 season.

All this is just what I heard.  BUT ... Reaburn (or is it Raeburn? ... Wab 64 ... help me out here) along with baseball and soccer should have something to sell recruits today.

[bigwheels77]

I hope all this talk pans out...

What do you suppose this means for the availability of the complexes to the public... It is great that you can go over to the stadium and pretty much have free reign on the track and at mud hallow... There is nothing better than running that token one lap around the track before you realize that you are grossly out of shape.

you guys think this will limit availability?