FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[ADL70]

4. Case Western Reserve 6-0 7-0 - Struggled against Chicago until late in 4th (is a win still a win?)

Chicago played CWRU tough last year too, same score.  And they beat Denison last week 38-7.  Right now they might be as good as Wooster or Allegheny.

[usee]

I wouldn't be surprised to see IWU vault ahead of Wheaton and Wabash in the regional rankings but they are not the Bash's concern as they are either AQ or out. Wheaton is the pool C team Wabash should be concerned about (and visa versa) in the rankings. To that end there are 2 alternatives to Wheaton winning out and becoming a pool C candidate:

1-Wheaton loses one of their final 2 games (@IWU and vs Carthage)
2-Wheaton wins out and NCC loses again (@Augie and vs Elmhurst).

in the latter case this would result in Wheaton getting the AQ. This has been a wacky year and I wouldn't count any scenario out at this point.

[DPU3619]

has anyone else noticed (or am i missing something)...
millsaps seems to be headed to  ???aq...
but not rated regionally...or ranked on d3 top 25!
what does that say about rankings?...top 25?...scac?

So what I posted last night was wrong.  Here are the actual scenarios: 

If Centre wins at Trinity and DePauw wins vs. Austin, Centre gets it.  If Centre loses at Trinity and DePauw wins, then DePauw gets it.  If Centre wins and DePauw loses, then Millsaps gets it because of the head-to-head with Centre.  If both Centre & DePauw lose, then obviously Millsaps gets it outright with just the one conference loss.

[Caveman # 95]

Mr. Ypsi-

This is a cut-and-paste from a few pages back (thanks Wally Wabash).

"Let's try this again...these, to the best of anybody's knowledge, are the tiebreak criteria used by the NCAC.  If Wooster beats Wittenberg and everybody else wins teh rest of their games, this is what happens.

Step 1 - H2H's are a wash.  Wabash beat Woo who beat Witt who beat Wabash...all on the road. 

Step 2 - The only losses the three teams suffered were against one another and everybody beat every other conference team they played.  The tie can not be broken here. 

Step 3 - All three teams would be undefeated in conference road games.  And we move on...

Step 4 - Finally, a tiebreak.  Wabash has a stranglehold on the #1 spot in the power ranking.  AQ to Wabash.

So, unless they've changed this tiebreak system, that's how it would break down.  It is possible that they've gone to a tiebreak system that otherwise makes little to no sense (see the 2010 schedule to see what kind of "creativity" the league office is capable of) in which case who knows what would happen.   

Under this structure though, it is pretty much not possible for the league to get to a Rose Bowl rule kind of situation.  A three way tie is going to get broken by a power ranking or a conference win streak tiebreak before the Rose Bowl rule kicks in.  "

[Schwami]

Same result with Allegheny instead of Wooster . . . you get to the Step 4 tie break.  Thus, if Allegheny beats Witt, then Wabash gets the AQ (unless Wabash loses to Hiram, in which event . . . NAAAAH  ).

[seinfeld]

Off topic, but interesting article in the Akron Beacon Journal today about salaries that College presidents are making, particularly in Ohio. Wooster, Case and Mt. Union's presidents and their salaries get mentioned in there:

http://www.ohio.com/news/68468852.html

[02 Warhawk]

So will the NCAC receive a pool C bid this season? Wabash....solid strength of schedule so far. much better than UWW's, actually.

[wally_wabash]

So will the NCAC receive a pool C bid this season? Wabash....solid strength of schedule so far. much better than UWW's, actually.

There are a couple of key things to look for this week (and next) as it pertains to Wabash's pool C shot. 

1) Is Otterbein going to fall below Wabash in the regional rankings?  This becomes less important after Saturday when Otterbein loses to MUC...they'll be below Wabash on Selection Sunday with 2 losses. 

2) Probably the biggest key right now....if Wheaton doesn't get the CCIW AQ (they still need help) and stays with the 1 loss, do they move ahead of Wabash in the regional rankings?  If so, Wheaton is the top regionally ranked at-large team in the North and are an easy selection.  But that's one selection down before Wabash gets into the at-large discussion.  If Wabash stays ahead of Wheaton, then Wabash is on the table from the get go and the chances are a lot better. 

And of course I can't make a post like this this season without providing a disclaimer that I AM NOT writing DPU off as an automatic win and that all of this playoff speculation is for nothing if Wabash loses on 11/14.  I'm well aware that Wabash has work to do to get to 9-1 and make this stuff matter.

[ScotsFan]

Wooster loses to Allengheny, the dellusions of granduer are over. With the losses mounting, another season struggling against teams over .500, Scots fans must be wondering if this team was overrated or just underachieving or perhaps some of both.

Nah.  We're just wondering if the basketball season will ever get here!      

[ScotsFan]

Off topic, but interesting article in the Akron Beacon Journal today about salaries that College presidents are making, particularly in Ohio. Wooster, Case and Mt. Union's presidents and their salaries get mentioned in there:

http://www.ohio.com/news/68468852.html

Interesting to see that Cornwell's salary in his first year at the COW is more than $100K above what Hales made in his last year at the COW...

[Mr. Ypsi]

IMO, a 9-1 Wabash is a near lock for a C; an 8-2 Wabash is on life support.

Gosh, maybe people will even give a damn about the Monon Bell for a change!

[wabash dk #11]

I'm sorry Ypsi but I have a real problem with people thinking that the team doesn't take the Bell Game as serious when we qualify for the playoffs.  I have never played in a Bell Game that I didn't go out and give my all.  Sometimes things break down and we get behind, but that never speaks to the level of preparation and dedication that is put into the game.  Fans who say things like "maybe we should forfeit our playoff spot if we don't win the bell" really irk me.  If that is how you feel then you are no true fan.  Wabash Always Fights applies to the players as well as the fans.  When our fans turn on us it is really disheartening.  This is getting pretty long and making me angry so I will bow out now.

DK

[Mr. Ypsi]

dk, sorry to have offended you.

I thought I made it quite clear that it was a joke.  I suspect you need to work on your sense of humor and/or your reading comprehension.

[wabash dk #11]

No I understand that you may have been joking.  I was addressing those fans over the past two years who have actually made this accusation.  My tirade was not necessarily directed towards you.  I just felt the need to put my two cents in.  My reading comprehension and sense of humor are pretty strong. Sarcasm can only be implied without actually hearing the person talk by the way

[wally_wabash]

Fans who say things like "maybe we should forfeit our playoff spot if we don't win the bell"...

Never ever, DK.  Winning league championships and getting to the playoffs are tremendous accomplishments regardless of the outcome of the Bell game.  Nobody should even think about taking those away because of one game.