FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[wally_wabash]

I had thought about von Kann as well, Fightin' Scot.  If there was a year when this award would go to a team that finishes well out of first place, this would be it.  In 2007, RV Carroll from Oberlin won the OPOY award, but Oberlin did win 5 league games that year and finished in third place by themselves.  He may get some consideration...he'd get an awful lot more if Kenyon could have turned a couple of their close losses into close wins. 

[Black n Gold]

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[smedindy]

I agree that Denison should try to skull Earlham by a gazillion or so.

However, I am torn in the Wooster / Witt game. Normally, I'd ask Wooster to eviscerate the Tigers. However, I am interested in the NCAC getting a good seed and a playoff win or two. So, um....

_{....Go Wittenberg??}

[wally_wabash]

I agree that Denison should try to skull Earlham by a gazillion or so.

However, I am torn in the Wooster / Witt game. Normally, I'd ask Wooster to eviscerate the Tigers. However, I am interested in the NCAC getting a good seed and a playoff win or two. So, um....

_{....Go Wittenberg??}

While a subjective look at such things isn't written into the criteria, I'd have to think that Wabash looks just a little bit better to the committee if they've lost (by a last second field goal, with the conference OPOY injured) to a 10-0 conference champion...so yeah, I think it probably helps Wabash if Wittenberg wins.  And really, unless Wittenberg is mailing it in and playing for 11/21, there's little reason to believe that the Tigers won't win on Saturday.  I don't think that Wittenberg would be mailing it in though...it is a rivalry game and they have a #2 seed virtually locked up if they win.  One loss and they would lose at least one home game.  There's still plenty to play for in Springfield this weekend. 

[smedindy]

A Witt loss and a Wabash win makes the North all weird, and also probably invites one or two teams into the region that I'd wish would stay away.

The selfish result would be to have Mt. Union go east and Whitewater stay West - so the NCAC has a fighting chance for the Final 4.

/dreaming
//dreaming is free

[Mr. Ypsi]

A Witt loss and a Wabash win makes the North all weird, and also probably invites one or two teams into the region that I'd wish would stay away.

The selfish result would be to have Mt. Union go east and Whitewater stay West - so the NCAC has a fighting chance for the Final 4.

/dreaming
//dreaming is free

Assuming MUC goes 'East', I don't see any 'North' team that would compete for a #1.

Due to that damned Millikin (IWU totally dominated everything except the scoreboard), I think the arrival of UWW is a foregone conclusion.  IWU was more than 3 to 1 on yards and 1st downs, but couldn't overcome a 'pick-six' and a PAT-block returned for 2 points.  BY SOS (considerably higher than St. John's or whoever now gets the 'West' #1), an undefeated IWU probably would have gotten a #1 to withstand the UWW invasion.

[wab64]

maybe we should move all of this to the Monon Bell board......

The other NCAC's may be getting tired of it.

I think the other ncac's have long ago tired of this crap, BashBro,and have abandoned the site,except for loyalists like aueagle and the Wooster people. They certainly would not try to get a word in edgewise, as the tone of the discussion gets more and more juvenile. At least Breckinridge has his own blog now for his scurrilous and distorted comments.-I hope he stays there, under his rock, as leaves this site for serious comment on the teams and the Game.

[DPU3619]

Since it's topical, it wouldn't surprise me to see both DePauw and Thomas More move north.  I can get 8 in the south pretty easily without either team. 

That can you give a North of (in no particular order):

UWW
Witt
MSJ
CWRU
DePauw
TMC
CCIW Winner
Trine

I really think that if DePauw loses on Saturday, they're going East, they're going to Mount Union, and Wabash takes their spot in the North.  Alliance is within the 500 miles, so it doesn't matter what the heck region they're in. That'd give them a 7-2 with a middle of the road OWP and an 0-2 record against regionally ranked opponents.  I'm a couple cocktails in, but I'm having trouble coming up with any playoff team within the magic mileage number that would have a worse resume than DePauw if they were to lose on Saturday.

[wally_wabash]

I hope you're right, Wes.  You should get a chance to go see a game at Mount Union Stadium.  Alliance is nice this time of year.   

[Mr. Ypsi]

Since it's topical, it wouldn't surprise me to see both DePauw and Thomas More move north.  I can get 8 in the south pretty easily without either team. 

That can you give a North of (in no particular order):

UWW
Witt
MSJ
CWRU
DePauw
TMC
CCIW Winner
Trine

I really think that if DePauw loses on Saturday, they're going East, they're going to Mount Union, and Wabash takes their spot in the North.  Alliance is within the 500 miles, so it doesn't matter what the heck region they're in. That'd give them a 7-2 with a middle of the road OWP and an 0-2 record against regionally ranked opponents.  I'm a couple cocktails in, but I'm having trouble coming up with any playoff team within the magic mileage number that would have a worse resume than DePauw if they were to lose on Saturday.

Unless North Park (loser of 67 consecutive CCIW games) pulls the greatest upset in the history of the universe ( ), it is safe to call IWU the 'CCIW Winner'.

Where are you sending CUC (the presumptive NathCon AQ) in your scenario?

And IF Wabash loses, I'd foresee ONU as 'at the table' from the get-go - I think they would probably get in in that scenario.  (They, and NCC and Wheaton, have much better 'other' credentials than many of the 1-loss teams.)

[doctor_t]

Wes:
WARNING:
Don't listen to Wally.  There's no good time to go to Alliance to play football.  He just wants you guys to take it in the neck while Mount hones things for Wabash, or the team that beats them first in the playoffs :-)

[usee]

A Witt loss and a Wabash win makes the North all weird, and also probably invites one or two teams into the region that I'd wish would stay away.

The selfish result would be to have Mt. Union go east and Whitewater stay West - so the NCAC has a fighting chance for the Final 4.

/dreaming
//dreaming is free

Assuming MUC goes 'East', I don't see any 'North' team that would compete for a #1.

Due to that damned Millikin (IWU totally dominated everything except the scoreboard), I think the arrival of UWW is a foregone conclusion.  IWU was more than 3 to 1 on yards and 1st downs, but couldn't overcome a 'pick-six' and a PAT-block returned for 2 points.  BY SOS (considerably higher than St. John's or whoever now gets the 'West' #1), an undefeated IWU probably would have gotten a #1 to withstand the UWW invasion.

I highly doubt and undefeated IWU team would be a #1 seed with the number and quality of other undefeated's still alive. I think we are virutally assured of UWW as #1 North.

[usee]

Since it's topical, it wouldn't surprise me to see both DePauw and Thomas More move north.  I can get 8 in the south pretty easily without either team. 

That can you give a North of (in no particular order):

UWW
Witt
MSJ
CWRU
DePauw
TMC
CCIW Winner
Trine

I really think that if DePauw loses on Saturday, they're going East, they're going to Mount Union, and Wabash takes their spot in the North.  Alliance is within the 500 miles, so it doesn't matter what the heck region they're in. That'd give them a 7-2 with a middle of the road OWP and an 0-2 record against regionally ranked opponents.  I'm a couple cocktails in, but I'm having trouble coming up with any playoff team within the magic mileage number that would have a worse resume than DePauw if they were to lose on Saturday.

I think DePauw North is a real possibility but I doubt TMC would go North as well. The logjam is west and it seems to solve a lot more problems to move west teams North. I also believe (but don't have any empirical evidence) that the committed tries to move teams at the top or the bottom of regional rankings to avoid upsetting the seeds in the middle (i.ed TMC as a #5 seed). I think its more probable we will see UWW and Coe/St Norberts move North as #1 and #8 seeds.

Really you want to avoid the #4/#5 seed in the North as that puts you with a 2nd round matchup with MUC/UWW. A 3,6, or 7 seed is better than a 4/5 seed IMO.

[Mr. Ypsi]

A Witt loss and a Wabash win makes the North all weird, and also probably invites one or two teams into the region that I'd wish would stay away.

The selfish result would be to have Mt. Union go east and Whitewater stay West - so the NCAC has a fighting chance for the Final 4.

/dreaming
//dreaming is free

Assuming MUC goes 'East', I don't see any 'North' team that would compete for a #1.

Due to that damned Millikin (IWU totally dominated everything except the scoreboard), I think the arrival of UWW is a foregone conclusion.  IWU was more than 3 to 1 on yards and 1st downs, but couldn't overcome a 'pick-six' and a PAT-block returned for 2 points.  BY SOS (considerably higher than St. John's or whoever now gets the 'West' #1), an undefeated IWU probably would have gotten a #1 to withstand the UWW invasion.

I highly doubt and undefeated IWU team would be a #1 seed with the number and quality of other undefeated's still alive. I think we are virutally assured of UWW as #1 North.

IWU currently has a higher SOS than ANY undefeated team (it will drop somewhat facing NPU this week, but will probably still be above all but one or two).  IF they had not stumbled against Millikin, I think they would have an excellent argument for a #1.

Yes, we will almost inevitably get UWW, but it wouldn't have happened if not for that stumble (even with NPU upcoming, IWU's SOS, and other credentials, will outrank St. John's or anyone else in the West).  Water under the bridge (we DID blow the game), but UWW to the 'North' need not have happened.

[DPU3619]

I had reckoned in my own head that Concordia would get the unlucky draw of going to St. John's.  Heck, they aren't even regionally ranked.  Send 'em to the West's #1.  Could just as easily send them to the North's #1, though.

I don't know.  I'm just guessing.  You guys know better than I do.  The original point was that I think DePauw's going north unless they lose, then they're going to Alliance.  I shouldn't have speculated on the other details.

I'm interested to see what they committee does with Thomas More.  They're probably the 2 or 3 in the South.  Can't send 'em to Wesley.  Can't send 'em to HSC.  They aren't flying anywhere in round one.  I don't think they'll go to Witt or get paired with MSJ after they play them this weekend.  Maybe send Dickinson to them?  Hell, maybe send DePauw to them.  Who knows?  I'm guessing.  And it's 4 in the morning.