FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[Ryan Tipps]

I'm confused, are you saying the NCAC might get three playoff teams plus Case that plays sort of a NCAC schedule?

No, that's not what wally was saying. He was saying that Case has a tough go at getting into the playoffs if they lose against the only good team on their schedule, Allegheny. He said Wooster may "get there," as in break .500 and give Case a fight, but essentially Gheny will be the most challenging team Case faces this season.

Wally was suggesting that, like last year, the NCAC might get two teams in with Witt and Bash, but that's far from certain.

Most years the second place team on the OAC gets snubbed.

"Most years"? Just off the top of my head, I can think of maybe three or four years in the past 10 or 11 that the OAC's No. 2 team didn't get in -- and one of those years was 2005 when your conference's own champ didn't have a perfect record.

[seventiesraider]

 Thanks Ryan to interrupting "get there" as in break .500. I've read that several times, and still can't see how he meant that.

I'm sorry but "get there" means only one thing to me at any level of football.

And OK 4 of 10 isn't most, could be many, but your right

[jam40jeff]

I'm sorry but "get there" means only one thing to me at any level of football.

It's all about context.  Reread his sentence.

If CWRU goes 9-1 and lose to the only team above .500 on their schedule (Wooster may also get there, largely by virtue of not having to play Allegheny this season), they're out.

He followed "only team above .500" with "Wooster may also get there".  I think it's pretty obvious he meant that Wooster may also get to .500.

[BashDad]

Just off the top of my head, I can think of maybe three or four years in the past 10 or 11 that the OAC's No. 2 team didn't get in -- and one of those years was 2005 when your conference's own champ didn't have a perfect record...

I'm pretty sure I remember a 2005 OAC runner up in the playoffs.

Yeah.

Yeah, I remember that game.

[BashDad]

If CWRU goes 9-1 and lose to the only team above .500 on their schedule (Wooster may also get there, largely by virtue of not having to play Allegheny this season), they're out.

Thanks Ryan to interrupting "get there" as in break .500. I've read that several times, and still can't see how he meant that.

This is really funny.

[wally_wabash]

Of course the game meant more to CWRU.  CWRU has to run the table.  They just have to.  If CWRU goes 9-1 and lose to the only team above .500 on their schedule (Wooster may also get there, largely by virtue of not having to play Allegheny this season), they're out.  This was the season for CWRU.  This was the one game that they had to bring it and win at all costs.  There is an awful lot of room for error for the Spartans on every other game on that schedule.  

I'm confused, are you saying the NCAC might get three playoff teams plus Case that plays sort of a NCAC schedule? Most years the second place team on the OAC gets snubbed. I'm ok with Case and the winner of the NCAC.

No, no.  It's pretty absurd to think that the NCAC, or really any league, is getting three teams into the tournament.  There just aren't enough spots and the way the regional rankings tend to put way more emphasis on W/L record without a lot of attention to schedule strength, it's hard to see a third place team from any league having a legit shot at being invited. 

As for the NCAC and possible playoff teams...Allegheny has basically eliminated themselves from at-large consideration with the second loss, but could still get an AQ by beating Wabash and Wabash beating Wittenberg which would put the Gators in based on the NCAC power rating from 1994 which was used to create this year's schedule.  The best chance for the NCAC to get multiple teams into the tournament would be for loser of Witt/Wabash to finish 9-1.  The thing that I think makes this very, very interesting this year is the timing of this game.  Can either of these teams lose in week 10 and not take a big enough hit in the regional rankings to get to the table for consideration?  Losing usually gets you squashed in the regional rankings.  A 9-1 team that loses in week 10 probably winds up below a 9-1 team that loses earlier in the season (right now I'm thinking ONU, any 1-loss CCIW, MSJ probably all fit this bill).  That'll be an interesting scenario to watch for (should these teams keep winning) when we get to November. 

[bashbrother]

Just off the top of my head, I can think of maybe three or four years in the past 10 or 11 that the OAC's No. 2 team didn't get in -- and one of those years was 2005 when your conference's own champ didn't have a perfect record...

I'm pretty sure I remember a 2005 OAC runner up in the playoffs.

Yeah.

Yeah, I remember that game.

Pass interference 

[DagarmanSpartan]

What can Case expect from Oberlin this year?  Aren't the Yeoman much better this year than in the past?  What are their team strengths?

[Ryan Tipps]

Just off the top of my head, I can think of maybe three or four years in the past 10 or 11 that the OAC's No. 2 team didn't get in -- and one of those years was 2005 when your conference's own champ didn't have a perfect record...

I'm pretty sure I remember a 2005 OAC runner up in the playoffs.

You're right. Sorry. But still, it furthers the point about the No. 2 OAC team getting to the playoffs. Thanks.

[Li'l Giant]

Wally apparently needs to download a copy of the "seventiesraider posting stylebook". don't go changing usages on us now.

[wabco]

What Ryan really means about what Wally really means about .....

I want to know ... is Spenser Whitehead OK to play/kick?  Was the ankle which was impacted his kicking foot?  Any other injuries?  Is QB non throwing arm back to normal?  Any injured players from the past re-appearing this week?

Ryan, check with Wally and ....

(That is a joke)

[wally_wabash]

Has a one-loss OAC runner-up ever not been invited since expansion to 32 teams (or even 28 teams)?  If we're tossing around the word "snubbed" with regard to two-loss teams, then the debate is about schedule strength and selection criteria and is a whole different conversation.  I don't think one-loss OAC teams get left out though, which is just. 

What can Case expect from Oberlin this year?  Aren't the Yeoman much better this year than in the past?  What are their team strengths?

The Yeomen are coming off of gut-punch loss to Wittenberg...probably due for a letdown week.  Would love to see this game in any other week.   

[seventiesraider]

Wally apparently needs to download a copy of the "seventiesraider posting stylebook". don't go changing usages on us now.

I've graded enough 7th grade compositions to know lousy sentence structure when I see it.

[jam40jeff]

I've graded enough 7th grade compositions to know lousy sentence structure when I see it.

Really?

And OK 4 of 10 isn't most, could be many, but your right

[BashDad]

I've graded enough 7th grade compositions to know lousy sentence structure when I see it.

And they say American education is floundering! Nonsense!