FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[bignscarey]

Are there any NCAA/NCAC rules after an ejection that would affect playing in the next game?

[BashBacker#16]

I believe the player is not eligible to play in the next game as well (game following the ejection).

[nike]

So did the Oberlin guy get away with a personal or flagrant foul and the refs did not see it?

[BashBacker#16]

Nike,

I typically sit high but had just moved down (nearing halftime) to the corner of the field so I couldn't see a lot but it got pretty nasty in a hurry and can't think the Oberlin guys were just standing there.  I was shocked we got 2 personal fouls and NO Oberlin penalty.  Although I hate off-setting penalties where nothing happens, I expected to hear off-setting.  Sounds like a lot of us are still trying to figure out what happened.  I spoke to Jake Kolisek after the game and he was shocked he was tossed.  With not throwing a punch, it just seems extreme that he was tossed +1 game the next week.  I heard a team can appeal but I have no idea if Wabash will.  If it's not on film and it's the referree's word - no case.

Wabash is back in the top 25... 

WAF!

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[wally_wabash]

After reviewing the brouhaha at the end of the first half, I can't add much to the conversation.  The live action followed the play upfield and missed whatever sparked the the incident.  The replay really didn't pick much up prior to CJ removing the Oberlin lineman from his person, so it's hard to say what set CJ off.  What I definitely didn't see was Jake Kolisek doing anything worthy of an ejection.  He did get himself into the middle of the scrum, but it looked to me like he was keeping players away from one another...certainly not instigating.  I don't know what may have been said in the middle of the scrum, so there is that unknown.  It would be a shame if Jake lost a game because of that.  I didn't see him punch anybody and any contact with a game official looked to be a product of the close quarters everybody was keeping at the time.  It's hard to believe that there wasn't a foul-worthy act from a Yeoman in there somewhere, but whatever it was that set CJ off didn't get caught. 

As for the rest of the game....some thoughts...
- The offense came out and played with some purpose from the start on Saturday.  Probably the first time I've seen the offense click like that right out of the chute.  Oberlin's defense has been generous this season, so I'll take this with a grain of salt, but the offense did look better in terms of pace and tempo.  And it helped that they weren't in 1st and 20s all day.  And only had two negative rush plays (for just -2 yards).  Good job offensive line. 

- Individually on offense, Yoder seems to have clearly separated himself from the pack of RBs.  He ran well on Saturday and I think it will serve the offense well to have a consistent presence back there.  Belton was having a good all around game until he had to leave the game.  I like the progress Chase is making as a quarterback...I don't like that he's had to leave three of the last four games.

- The defense really played a fantastic game.  Don't be fooled by the 21 points...Oberlin has a really good offense.  Wabash's defense limited that offense to just two sustained drives all game (9 plays, 69 yards in the 2nd quarter and 11 plays,72 yards in the 4th quarter).  The other TD drive was on a short field and aided by the two PFs that came from the incident and a PI on 3rd and goal.  2 INTs, 8 punts, and a safety...that's a pretty solid day for a defense. 

- As noted, CJ Gum had an outstanding day.  7 tackles, 2.5 TFL, 2 INT, 1 sack...and that stat line seems light for what it seemed like he was doing out there on Saturday.  He was all over the place...it was fun to watch.  Clegg also had a really good game from the DL. 

- And chalk up another blocked punt for the LG special teams.  I can't remember a Wabash team that gets on the punter's foot like this group has this season.  Well done. 

Wabash is out to Granville for a game against the Big Red this weekend.  In case you noticed, and judging by the commentary on the board this week you haven't, Denison led Allegheny into the fourth quarter.  A Gator FG in the final period gave Allegheny a 17-16 win.  If Wabash plays crisply and confidently like they did on Saturday, they should be fine. 

[DPU3619]

In case you noticed, and judging by the commentary on the board this week you haven't, Denison led Allegheny into the fourth quarter. 

[wally_wabash]

In case you noticed, and judging by the commentary on the board this week you haven't, Denison led Allegheny into the fourth quarter. 

That one was too easy.   

[ExTartanPlayer]

The defense really played a fantastic game.  Don't be fooled by the 21 points...Oberlin has a really good offense.  

Wally, this point fascinates me, because I've noticed it a few places around Division III - sometimes there are teams that are EXCELLENT on one side of the ball, and quite frankly are putrid on the other side of the ball (creating an end product of a mediocre team that manages a few wins every year on the strength of their one asset).

I've wondered if some coaching staffs load one side of the ball on purpose (figuring that they can't recruit enough good ballplayers to build a good offense AND defense) and then just do what they can with the leftovers on the other side.

My most vivid memory of this is the now-defunct Colorado College program.  We played them in 2005 and 2006 (winning 63-28 and 50-26, respectively).  They had a REALLY GOOD offense, but their defense was horrible (we ran for over 500 yards both times we played them, without anything more complicated than out base wing-T stuff).  They did manage a 5-5 record in 2006, though, on the strength of a good offense.

Thoughts?  Anybody think that this is a "good" (using the term loosely) strategy to build a D3 football team from the ground up?  If you're really working with limited resources, I think it's kind of a fun idea - load your offense with the best guys you've got and just try to outscore teams - but I don't think you can ever get past .500 playing that kind of ball.

[cave2bens]

He did get himself into the middle of the scrum, but it looked to me like he was keeping players away from one another...certainly not instigating.  I don't know what may have been said in the middle of the scrum, so there is that unknown.  It would be a shame if Jake lost a game because of that.  I didn't see him punch anybody and any contact with a game official looked to be a product of the close quarters everybody was keeping at the time. 

No intention to appear contentious, Wally, but would offer an alternative for accidental misuse of the term, "scrum."  I realize that sports commentators toss the word around, incorrectly, to describe every unexpected eruption, but out of their own ignorance for the rules of gridiron's predecessor (see McGill University rules vs Princeton, Rutgers, or Harvard games), the set scrummage or "scrum" has the opposite purpose.  It is a defined formation, ordered by the referee and with specific rules regarding make-up, binding, and engagement, to place the ball back in play after either a minor infraction of the laws post non-materialized advantage played for the non-offending team, or if the ball is buried in a pile-up, either in-touch or in-goal.   

In rugby jargon, a more precise term for Saturday's extra-curriculars would have either been a "loose ruck" if the ball was on the turf or a "maul" if ball and carrier remained upright while shoved among the masses.  Guess thirty-seven years as an active player and eleven as a referee for the Midwest and Ontario Unions provided something besides bad joints, broken noses (14), and nice falsies (teeth).   

Okay, maybe a little contentious because of miserable performance versus your pick 'em spreads...  

[jam40jeff]

The defense really played a fantastic game.  Don't be fooled by the 21 points...Oberlin has a really good offense.  

Wally, this point fascinates me, because I've noticed it a few places around Division III - sometimes there are teams that are EXCELLENT on one side of the ball, and quite frankly are putrid on the other side of the ball (creating an end product of a mediocre team that manages a few wins every year on the strength of their one asset).

I noticed this as well when CWRU played Oberlin.  CWRU's defense definitely didn't have their best game, but credit Oberlin's offense.  They looked good.  However, CWRU's offense moved through their D like a hot knife through butter.  It seemed like CWRU could score at will on them.

[wally_wabash]

He did get himself into the middle of the scrum, but it looked to me like he was keeping players away from one another...certainly not instigating.  I don't know what may have been said in the middle of the scrum, so there is that unknown.  It would be a shame if Jake lost a game because of that.  I didn't see him punch anybody and any contact with a game official looked to be a product of the close quarters everybody was keeping at the time. 

No intention to appear contentious, Wally, but would offer an alternative for accidental misuse of the term, "scrum."  I realize that sports commentators toss the word around, incorrectly, to describe every unexpected eruption, but out of their own ignorance for the rules of gridiron's predecessor (see McGill University rules vs Princeton, Rutgers, or Harvard games), the set scrummage or "scrum" has the opposite purpose.  It is a defined formation, ordered by the referee and with specific rules regarding make-up, binding, and engagement, to place the ball back in play after either a minor infraction of the laws post non-materialized advantage played for the non-offending team, or if the ball is buried in a pile-up, either in-touch or in-goal.   

In rugby jargon, a more precise term for Saturday's extra-curriculars would have either been a "loose ruck" if the ball was on the turf or a "maul" if ball and carrier remained upright while shoved among the masses.  Guess thirty-seven years as an active player and eleven as a referee for the Midwest and Ontario Unions provided something besides bad joints, broken noses (14), and nice falsies (teeth).   

Okay, maybe a little contentious because of miserable performance versus your pick 'em spreads...  

Fair enough...let's replace "scrum" with "donnybrook".   

[wab64]

     How about "fracas"?

[bashbrother]

My vote is somewhere between "Fracas" and "unmanned drone attack"

Even though Hollett is now turf, methinks they are replacing a divot after that impact.

[smedindy]

The defense really played a fantastic game.  Don't be fooled by the 21 points...Oberlin has a really good offense.  

Wally, this point fascinates me, because I've noticed it a few places around Division III - sometimes there are teams that are EXCELLENT on one side of the ball, and quite frankly are putrid on the other side of the ball (creating an end product of a mediocre team that manages a few wins every year on the strength of their one asset).

I've wondered if some coaching staffs load one side of the ball on purpose (figuring that they can't recruit enough good ballplayers to build a good offense AND defense) and then just do what they can with the leftovers on the other side.

My most vivid memory of this is the now-defunct Colorado College program.  We played them in 2005 and 2006 (winning 63-28 and 50-26, respectively).  They had a REALLY GOOD offense, but their defense was horrible (we ran for over 500 yards both times we played them, without anything more complicated than out base wing-T stuff).  They did manage a 5-5 record in 2006, though, on the strength of a good offense.

Thoughts?  Anybody think that this is a "good" (using the term loosely) strategy to build a D3 football team from the ground up?  If you're really working with limited resources, I think it's kind of a fun idea - load your offense with the best guys you've got and just try to outscore teams - but I don't think you can ever get past .500 playing that kind of ball.

It's not a D-3 thing. Remember, the Colts built their offense first to outscore opponents and then their defense caught up. I think building up offense works because you'd rather score a lot of points than play 7-6 games.