FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[smedindy]

Winning three straight road games to go 5-5 would definitely put him in contention. He's done a great job in establishing something at Oberlin, and that could be a model for Kenyon to follow. You know, if they choose to do so.

Oberlin's averaged 1,341 fans per game this year while Kenyon has averaged just 543 and Hiram just 412. Having spent time on Oberlin's campus, I can tell you that football is just another activity there, but somehow they're making an effort to get people to the games.

[smedindy]

Wittenberg was the favorite this year to win the conference, though, not Wabash. (Though it was a wafer-thin vote).

[nike]

So if Barnes was healthy, you would favor Frongillo over him?  Barnes was Freshman of the Year in the NCAC last year.  Was Frongillo at COW last year?
Not trying to start an argument, but just found that thinking curious.  Someone from  Wabash wanted a change at quarterback there earlier this year, too.
Saw Barnes a number of times last year against very good teams.  One of the most exciting players I have seen at COW in several years.

Yes, I would. Frongillo and Barnes both came in at the same time, but he didn't get a chance last year while Barnes was playing so well. However, Barnes' great play last year didn't carry over into this year (0 TDs, 6 ints in 3 games), and has been outplayed by Frongillo. This kid makes better decisions, has similar running ability, and has a better arm.

We'll see how they play out the rest of the season, but I think Frongillo gives them the best chance moving forward. With the lack of depth and playmakers on offense, maybe Barnes would be better suited as a WR when he's healthy.

Move him to WR?  After three games? He was 1-2 this year in starts and current QB is 1-3.  Why would you be so quick to proclaim Frongillo the future?  And as far as decision making, running and throwing, well I guess you are right to say lets see how the season plays out as far as wins and losses.
5-5 last year was pretty enjoyable after losing so many good players from the year before.  And we were 4-2 in conference play!
Seems like the coaches would go with who they thought gave them the best to win.

[BashDad]

Speaking of Oberlin, do you think if they win out, and its a huge if, that Coach Ramsey would have a good shot at NCAC coach of the year?  With the situations they've had to deal with (roster size, recruiting class size, injuries) you'd think he'd have a good shot.

Easy money is on "no." The NCAC has thus far shown the imaginative capacity of a cashew in giving this award.

[BashDad]

Dear Richard Barnes,

If, upon rehabilitation, you still find the football community of Wooster, Ohio to be comprised of complete and utter morons, please: bring those remaining three years of eligibilty to Crawfordsville and win a couple rings. We may still cry "wide receiver!" or "running back!" any time you lose a game, though that's likely to happen much less often.

Seriously. You should think about it.

Signed,
Bashdad

[nike]

BashDad,
Been a tough season so far.
Would Barnes have a fifth year to play? Was not thinking after playing in three games this year and getting hurt that he would have a fifth year. What is the rule on that?
Assuming he graduates in four years from Wooster, he can do a Russell Wilson and go to Wabash for his final season of eligibility.
   

[wally_wabash]

BashDad,
Been a tough season so far.
Would Barnes have a fifth year to play? Was not thinking after playing in three games this year and getting hurt that he would have a fifth year. What is the rule on that?
Assuming he graduates in four years from Wooster, he can do a Russell Wilson and go to Wabash for his final season of eligibility.

If I'm interpreting the bylaw correctly, I think as long as a player has not played in more than three games (or one third of the games, all in the first half of the season), then the player would be eligible for a season of participation waiver.  Unless I'm missing something (possible), Barnes would be eligible for another year. 

[oldtiger]

^ Pretty certain this is correct. I know a player that went down in the third quarter of the third game, having also played in the first two games, and recieved a medical redshirt year. The coach files the paperwork with the NCAA, which was considered a formality in the case mentioned.

[smedindy]

BashDad,
Been a tough season so far.
Would Barnes have a fifth year to play? Was not thinking after playing in three games this year and getting hurt that he would have a fifth year. What is the rule on that?
Assuming he graduates in four years from Wooster, he can do a Russell Wilson and go to Wabash for his final season of eligibility.

Well, that would be OK except Wabash doens't have any graduate programs. Any fifth year player has either moved his graduation date back or are involved in the teacher education program where you have 9 semesters due to the student teaching requirement.

[nike]

Wooster does not have many players that I know of that take longer than four years. I am guessing neither does Wabash.  Will be interesting to see how it plays out with Mr. Barnes.
Considering getting to the Wabash-Witt game.  Ought to be game for the ages.
Still remember OWU's freshman class in 2005 that was 7-3.  Should have been the beginning of a great run.   

[Pat Coleman]

In fact someone on a 10-game football team can play four games, because the standard is one-third of the season, and it is rounded up.

[nike]

Thanks, Pat.

[DPU3619]

Case Keenum threw NINE TDs for Houston last night.  Rice led 17-7 and then lost 73-34.  They even pulled him with 8 minutes to go.  24-37 for 534 & 9 TDs.  Leading receiver had 7 catches for 318 & 5 TDs.

That one will probably stand for a while, I'd guess.  Beat that, Hal.

[Schwami]

The first snow of the season is in tonight's forecast here in Western Pennsylvania 

Looking forward to the drive up to Meadville tomorrow . . .

WAF!

[GatorsFan8]

The 'Gheny-Wabash game is intriguing because a) it is truly the "Super Bowl" for Allegheny - a win here & they're suddenly looking at a 7-3 season with a possible share of the NCAC title and b) after very nice 2009-10 campaigns, Allegheny's coaching staff would probably prefer to avoid the appearance of sliding back towards the .500 program that they generally were from 2004-08.

With that said...even in the "good" years, Allegheny has seldom mustered a real challenge to the big W's.  See 2009, when they had a solid 8-2 team and got blasted by each.  The only "close" game that 'Gheny has managed recently was vs. Wittenberg at home in 2010, and we've covered Witt's road struggles several times on this board.

Last years Wabash Gheny game was a lot closer than the score indicated here is the facts.

Numerous changes to Allegheny's two-deep including a game-time decision for standout quarterback T.J. Salopek painted a gloomy picture for the Gators even prior to last season's kick off on Oct. 30. Despite a tremendous effort, especially by their defensive corps, the Gators were eliminated from con- tention in the North Coast Athletic Conference championship title race. Wabash rode superb special teams and an outstanding defensive performance of its own en route to a 20-3 victory at home.
Allegheny had its three-game winning streak snapped despite holding a stout Wabash offense to its lowest offensive output of the season and nearly 150 yards below its season average. The Gators were once again impressive against the opposition's ground game. Entering the day ranked ninth in the nation in rush defense, Allegheny held the Little Giants to half of their season average while becoming the first team to hold the Wabash ground game under 100 yards.
Rookie quarterback Jordan Fowler made his collegiate debut in the fourth quarter, but was unable to steer the offense into a dangerous position. Fowler did finish 2-of-3 for 13 yards.
Salopek showed remarkable resilience in making his 36th career start for the Gators although he finished 13-of-23 for a season-low 76 yards, and was sacked four times. Deivert, who had a game-best 68 yards rushing, led all players with 75 yards of total offense.
It truly was a team performance for the Gators on defense. Holding Wabash to a season-low 14 first
downs and a season-worst 2-of-16 on third downs, the Gators had 25 different players factor on at
least one tackle.

A blocked punt for a touchdown late in that game made the score seem a lot worst than it was.  With that being said Wabash was without Belton and their defense really did shutdown a short handed Gator Offense