FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[BashDad]

Bashdad,

Well thought out and well reasoned post. +k from me as well. While I land on the 02 side of things, I recognize this was a "pathway to victory" rally cry, not a "let's debate this" post. Far be me to interrupt a rally cry!  I may respond with a couple points on the WIAC board, but more to present a more complete picture, not to undermine your well thought out scenario.

Safe travels everyone! Red and purple clash in clothing (so my wife tells me) and tomorrow it will clash on the football field.

Tomorrow will be a great day! Have fun! 

It's not a "rally cry." It's what I think. Debate away.

[emma17]

Not a debate, just the simplest other side to the story there is. 

Back when UWW was proving itself, we used to say this on the OAC board and it riled some of their old time posters up.  It's the simple truth though.  Wabash hasn't seen a team like UWW.  You can't copy and paste Wabash's accomplishments to this game.  Nor can you copy and paste the way UWRF played (near perfection) to Wabash's game. 

Less than 18 hours to kickoff. 

[02 Warhawk]

Not a debate, just the simplest other side to the story there is. 

Back when UWW was proving itself, we used to say this on the OAC board and it riled some of their old time posters up.  It's the simple truth though.  Wabash hasn't seen a team like UWW.  You can't copy and paste Wabash's accomplishments to this game.  Nor can you copy and paste the way UWRF played (near perfection) to Wabash's game. 

Less than 18 hours to kickoff.

Plus we've heard it all before on why "our team" is going to knock off whitewater this time....when all other teams have failed. At the same time it's bound to happen eventually, I suppose.

[bleedpurple]

Bashdad,

Well thought out and well reasoned post. +k from me as well. While I land on the 02 side of things, I recognize this was a "pathway to victory" rally cry, not a "let's debate this" post. Far be me to interrupt a rally cry!  I may respond with a couple points on the WIAC board, but more to present a more complete picture, not to undermine your well thought out scenario.

Safe travels everyone! Red and purple clash in clothing (so my wife tells me) and tomorrow it will clash on the football field.

Tomorrow will be a great day! Have fun! 

It's not a "rally cry." It's what I think. Debate away.

Dang, just posted my lengthy post on the WIAC board. Should have checked here first!

I have a couple of questions for you regarding your assessment of Wabash's spot on the national stage.

If Wabash played UW-Oshkosh 10 times, how many times would they beat them?
If Wabash played UW-Platteville 10 times, how many times would they beat them?

[BashDad]

No clue.

[HCAlum86]

Dang, just posted my lengthy post on the WIAC board. Should have checked here first!

I have a couple of questions for you regarding your assessment of Wabash's spot on the national stage.

If Wabash played UW-Oshkosh 10 times, how many times would they beat them?
If Wabash played UW-Platteville 10 times, how many times would they beat them?

Bashdad is a good guy; he also normally provides fact-based analysis, though it may be provided in such a way as to favor Wabash, it is fact nonetheless.

The realm of hypotheticals is a scary world to dive into, as you will drive yourself crazy with the unknowns. I do know that the two teams you just cited, however, will only be hearing tales of this game while at home deer hunting from their tree-stands. So, I feel it would only be rational to assume that the team that would handle the ^national stage better, would be the team that is in the National playoffs.

[USee]

I also really dislike the UWO what if game.  The only what if we know is what if UWO won all their games? Then we would be watching them tomorrow.  I frankly don't think UWO was good enough to make the top 16.  I was never convinced of Platteville either.  Those teams are out because they didn't win.  UWW is the only proven commodity in the WIAC in my opinion.   

I will be watching my Thunder tomorrow and my second device will be tuned in to UWW/bash.  Very interested in the outcome. 

[bleedpurple]

Dang, just posted my lengthy post on the WIAC board. Should have checked here first!

I have a couple of questions for you regarding your assessment of Wabash's spot on the national stage.

If Wabash played UW-Oshkosh 10 times, how many times would they beat them?
If Wabash played UW-Platteville 10 times, how many times would they beat them?

Bashdad is a good guy; he also normally provides fact-based analysis, though it may be provided in such a way as to favor Wabash, it is fact nonetheless.

The realm of hypotheticals is a scary world to dive into, as you will drive yourself crazy with the unknowns. I do know that the two teams you just cited, however, will only be hearing tales of this game while at home deer hunting from their tree-stands. So, I feel it would only be rational to assume that the team that would handle the ^national stage better, would be the team that is in the National playoffs.

Given the flaws of the pool "C" system, I believe that is a dangerous assumption.  I believe both of those WIAC programs are top 15 teams in the nation this year.  However, the paths of UW-O (and UW-P) was incredibly difficult compared to the path the Little Giants had to the National Stage. 

If Wabash stays within a couple of TD's tomorrow, I would put them in the UW-P/UW-O category. It will be interesting to see how they measure up. I know Wally talks about data points in his analysis. There are VERY few data points of Wabash beating a strong team. If they take down UW-W, they are in the Stagg Bowl conversation. If they lose by three touchdowns or more, they could conceivably be at the level of a fourth place WIAC team. 

Usee, the difficulty I have with your position is the drastically different paths teams have to the national stage.  If UW-W were in the CCIW, we'd be hearing a whole lot more about UW-O and UW-P and a whole lot less of Wheaton and North Central.

Tomorrow is about big boy football. Let's see how the Little Giants measure up. 

[WarhawkDad]

Dang, just posted my lengthy post on the WIAC board. Should have checked here first!

I have a couple of questions for you regarding your assessment of Wabash's spot on the national stage.

If Wabash played UW-Oshkosh 10 times, how many times would they beat them?
If Wabash played UW-Platteville 10 times, how many times would they beat them?

Bashdad is a good guy; he also normally provides fact-based analysis, though it may be provided in such a way as to favor Wabash, it is fact nonetheless.

The realm of hypotheticals is a scary world to dive into, as you will drive yourself crazy with the unknowns. I do know that the two teams you just cited, however, will only be hearing tales of this game while at home deer hunting from their tree-stands. So, I feel it would only be rational to assume that the team that would handle the ^national stage better, would be the team that is in the National playoffs.

If those two teams played in a conference other than the WIAC they would be in the playoffs and probably advancing.

[BashDad]

I cannot believe y'all are trotting out the conference measuring-stick to talk about this game tomorrow.

Like, 100% whatever.

Good luck in the game.

[02 Warhawk]

I cannot believe y'all are trotting out the conference measuring-stick to talk about this game tomorrow.

Like, 100% whatever.

Good luck in the game.

I think their point is that some teams look great in their own conference, then are in for a rude awakening when they play a team on top of a power conference. It's no coinicidence teams from the same conference are the ones appearing deep in the playoffs.

[BashDad]

I am well aware of the point. It is the lamest, laziest point y'all can make. You can literally make it every week until you lose.

So confetti toss. You win.

[smedindy]

Man, all y'all are sounding like Mt. Union snobs !

[smedindy]

Seriously, we KNOW the WIAC is good, but get over the provincialism.

Massey has Wabash a couple slots ahead of Platteville and a few slots below Oshkosh. Oshkosh was 13th (non-NESCAC).  It's about where I'd put them, really. Massey also had the Empire 8 as the best in D3, then the WIAC and MIAC right behind.

[02 Warhawk]

Man, all y'all are sounding like Mt. Union snobs !

Hey, hey.....keep it clean 

I'm not trying to be a snob. These points are nothing that hasn't already been said time and time again (in so many words) from our d3 expert's: podcasts, preseason expectations, predictions, articles, creating catch phrases like "purple powers" (which I assure you didn't originate from its fans). Would you call them lazy for predicting the same teams will make a deep run each year? Of course not....it's a very good educated guess. They know what they're talking about, based on how those teams did the previous season, and who they have returning.

But you never know, each season could potentially be the year it doesn't happen. I just don't see this season being it.