FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[Li'l Giant]

Yeah.....

[USee]

The 12 person committee structured to settle the first D1 playoff has a Pool C sized problem on their hands today.  They would do well to read our pool C board!

They have a HTH result that shouldn't be ignored despite a sizable SOS advantage (TCU and Baylor) and they may likely ignore both of them to pick Ohio State ala St Thomas over UWO!  And there is some talk that an undefeated (in 2 yrs!) FSUvisvthe weak link.  Fascinating stuff that makes me glad we have the system in place for d3.

[formerd3db]

The 12 person committee structured to settle the first D1 playoff has a Pool C sized problem on their hands today.  They would do well to read our pool C board!

They have a HTH result that shouldn't be ignored despite a sizable SOS advantage (TCU and Baylor) and they may likely ignore both of them to pick Ohio State ala St Thomas over UWO!  And there is some talk that an undefeated (in 2 yrs!) FSUvisvthe weak link.  Fascinating stuff that makes me glad we have the system in place for d3.

Exactly.  While the committee will do the best they can in selecting the final four (I hope they do), at the same time, I have no doubt at least a couple of their picks will be for the highest television ratings, highest potential $ at the gates (obviously) as well as just having some plain old bias.  In all honestly, those people really have no clue/experience as to how the system can work (at least as best as is possible) for the simple reason they ignore the DIII (and DII, FCS) model(s) nor likely care about those divisions.  Regarding the latter, if they really do, perhaps they'll take a look at the existing systems to learn more and apply it to their inaugural process of this year for next year in 2015.  I believe it is fair to say they should have done that now if they were not foolish.  Perhaps they have, however, I doubt it.

It will be interesting to hear what all the so-called experts and pundits at that level have to say about it when the final decision comes out (not to forget about what all the respective fans of the schools who were "slighted" in the decision will say as they will perceive it.)   

[smedindy]

It's kind of simple to solve, really.

I'd prefer 16 but baby step it to 8.

1. Conference champs for PAC12, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, SEC
2. One spot for the 'best' team of the other conferences - usually easy to suss out
3. Two real at larges.

A sixteen teamer would have every conference champ and five at larges.

This year an 8-team playoff would have:

Oregon, Ohio State, Baylor, TCU, Florida State, Alabama, Boise State (22nd), Michigan State.

[smedindy]

The matchups??

Alabama vs. Boise St.
Oregon vs. Michigan St. (rematch)
Florida St vs. TCU
Ohio State vs. Baylor

They could flip Michigan St. and Boise St. if they didn't want to have a rematch. But that'd be an entertaining 8-team.

[Bishopleftiesdad]

No, no, no. How can an 8 team playoff f not have two SEC teams? (note the sarcasm)

[formerd3db]

I agree with you Smed that a 16 team playoff for DI would be preferable.  However, they should have started with an 8 team field this year.  IMO, it was kind of foolish not to, yet I guess just having a playoff finally in that division, even if just 4 is better than nothing.  It will not resolve complaint issues as we all know.   In that regard, there will still be controversies, somewhat similar to the national championship ties in some past years when two different champions have been crowned by the two different voting bodies. 

[formerd3db]

No, no, no. How can an 8 team playoff f not have two SEC teams? (note the sarcasm)

Yes, your sarcasm is noted and you are right.  That was one of the main aspects I was referring to in my first post when I mentioned "bias".

[Mr. Ypsi]

No, no, no. How can an 8 team playoff f not have two SEC teams? (note the sarcasm)

Actually, SEC fans would insist on a minimum of FIVE SEC teams.

[firstdown]

Mr Ypsi - being a SEC fan, what's your point?

[Mr. Ypsi]

Mr Ypsi - being a SEC fan, what's your point?

Seen way too many obnoxious SEC fans on other sites (fortunately not on d3).  WAY too many think that NO team outside the SEC is any good.

[ExTartanPlayer]

It's kind of simple to solve, really.

I'd prefer 16 but baby step it to 8.

1. Conference champs for PAC12, Big 10, Big 12, ACC, SEC
2. One spot for the 'best' team of the other conferences - usually easy to suss out
3. Two real at larges.

A sixteen teamer would have every conference champ and five at larges.

This year an 8-team playoff would have:

Oregon, Ohio State, Baylor, TCU, Florida State, Alabama, Boise State (22nd), Michigan State.

I guess we (meaning you and me personally) have never discussed this before, but that 8-team structure is one I've been touting to my friends for a few years, because of the similarity to the D3 model (five AQ champs, a "Pool B" of sorts reserved for a non-AQ team, and two Pool Cs).

[Desertraider]

SEC fan sample ballot and matchups for an 8 team playoff:
Alabama v. Florida St.
Miss St. v. Missouri
Ole Miss v. Georgia
LSU v. Oregon

and with 16 teams, add:
Auburn, Texas A&M, Tennessee, Florida and then OSU, Baylor, TCU and Vanderbilt (cause their last place is better than your conference champ anyday). 

I think they should skip the baby step to 8 and just go all in at 16. Conference champs are in and 5 at large. Anything less is not a real playoff (IMHO).

[formerd3db]

SEC fan sample ballot and matchups for an 8 team playoff:
Alabama v. Florida St.
Miss St. v. Missouri
Ole Miss v. Georgia
LSU v. Oregon

and with 16 teams, add:
Auburn, Texas A&M, Tennessee, Florida and then OSU, Baylor, TCU and Vanderbilt (cause their last place is better than your conference champ anyday). 

I think they should skip the baby step to 8 and just go all in at 16. Conference champs are in and 5 at large. Anything less is not a real playoff (IMHO).

You didn't include a team such as Boise State or UCLA.  You threw Vanderbilt in there for the 16 team speculation scenario (although I guess that is in conjunction with the discussion centering on the SEC as it has and/or you are joking about this, which is more likely if read your post wrong).   Just because Vandy is in the SEC doesn't mean they should be there for the playoff for a lower pick.  Vanderbilt was horrible this year and I'd rather see Northern Illinois in there than them-at least this year if we are going to "throw in some also rans".   Even Penn State would beat up on Vanderbilt and as perhaps Minnesota or even Northwestern would D (the latter which wasn't all that bad this year since they had some unlucky breaks in games).  Anyway, I'd rather pick one of those teams for the last one or two lower spots over Vandy. (And I like Vandy, usually root for them, just like Northwestern ). 

 

[ExTartanPlayer]

SEC fan sample ballot and matchups for an 8 team playoff:
Alabama v. Florida St.
Miss St. v. Missouri
Ole Miss v. Georgia
LSU v. Oregon

and with 16 teams, add:
Auburn, Texas A&M, Tennessee, Florida and then OSU, Baylor, TCU and Vanderbilt (cause their last place is better than your conference champ anyday). 

I think they should skip the baby step to 8 and just go all in at 16. Conference champs are in and 5 at large. Anything less is not a real playoff (IMHO).

You didn't include a team such as Boise State or UCLA.  You threw Vanderbilt in there for the 16 team speculation scenario (although I guess that is in conjunction with the discussion centering on the SEC as it has and/or you are joking about this, which is more likely if read your post wrong).   Just because Vandy is in the SEC doesn't mean they should be there for the playoff for a lower pick.  Vanderbilt was horrible this year and I'd rather see Northern Illinois in there than them-at least this year if we are going to "throw in some also rans".   Even Penn State would beat up on Vanderbilt and as perhaps Minnesota or even Northwestern would D (the latter which wasn't all that bad this year since they had some unlucky breaks in games).  Anyway, I'd rather pick one of those teams for the last one or two lower spots over Vandy. (And I like Vandy, usually root for them, just like Northwestern ). 

Doc, I think your sarcasm detector is broken.