FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[jdean]

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final score: wooster 13, mount union 10.

guess it wasn't cancelled that year.

in general though, it's a little easier to play a full JV schedule when you bring in over 100 kids a year as opposed to 30 or 40.

You would think it would be easier but this past season Mount played 5 JV games (after cancellations) and "only" had 80-85 kids. It doesn't bother me one bit that Woo won that '99 game. My only wish is that the game could be played, win or lose,  every year.
I'm not a Mount alum so whatever rivalry Mount-Woo had in years past means nothing to me but it would be nice, if for no other reason than convenience, if the schools could work out one home and away contract.

[DarkSide-D]

Ok, I'm watching ESPN NFL Sunday right now.  And they are discussing the Fair Catch Kick rule.  They say it is an unknown rule where any team returning a kick can fair catch it, and if they choose, make a unchallenged field goal attempt from the spot of the fair catch.  They then go on to discuss an instance that this rule was inforced.  Is this a real rule, or were they just joking around?  I have never heard of this.

[crusader26]

smedindy - Harbaugh may have been a tick off, as I have only seen him play once vs watching Cap's Pentello for 3 years.  There is a little bias there.  Though, Cap's D-line had a lot to do with him being a tick off.

DarkSide-D - The reason why I say that is b/c only 1 of the turnovers was a forced turnover (Pentello's Int.) & the other 4, in IMO, were fumbles that were not forced by NCC's defense.  I think they were mental errors by the Cap.  I understand your theory, but after watching the game, that is my take...guess you had to be there.  As far as your comments to opening up the offense, you may want ask Cap's staff, as I cannot answer that question.  My guess, is b/c they thought they could control the clock and punt deep into WC's territory and rely on their defense to hold.  It almost backfired, as they were ready to take the lead, or tie before the Harbaugh Int.

Why are we talking about JV football???

[DarkSide-D]

Crusader,

I think we are discussing JV football because the NCAC can claim victory against the OAC.  And Basketball is on a different page

[ScotsFan]

And Basketball is on a different page

That's a touchy subject over there as well. 

Crusader,

I'm not a coach, but I am willing to put some substantial money on the fact that the CAP coaching staff was NOT playing things conservatively and then if Wabash happened to make some noise offensively, they would just take the reigns off and CAP would score at will.  It's not like CAP had built a comfortable lead?!  I could see, maybe if CAP had opened things up from the beginning, and were just scoring at will on Wabash and opened up a 3-4 touchdown lead.  Then yes, I could see the coaching staff shutting it down and going conservative to try and milk the clock.  But, that was not the case against Wabash!  Personally, I just think that not enough credit is being given to Wabash's defense.  Obviously, you are a firm believer that it was all Cap's doing that they were even in close games with Wabash and NCC.  I mean, when you are saying things like fumbles were being caused by mental breakdowns and not by the NCC defensive pressure, that about says it all IMO?!  You said that the only real turnover NCC forced was Pentello's INT?  I thought that  it was just a mental mistake on Penello's part because he accidentally threw to the wrong team.  Or, maybe the coaches told him to throw the INT, because they knew their defense could handle it???

Whatever makes you sleep better at night I guess???

[crusader26]

ScotsFan - I am not a football coach either (never claim to be), just a fan!  Isn't that is why we post ??  We observe our teams and post our opinions.  I understand your points, and after reading your post, I would agree it was both the defense and Pentello's mental breakdown on throwing the int.  The combination of the two never rarely result in positive outcomes from the qb.  I still would beg to differ with you on the conservative play calling with Cap's offense, but, again, that is why we post!!

[oldguy]

 

Not to take anything away from NCC or WC, as they both deserved to be in the playoffs, but I think that Cap could have beat them more convincingly, if needed.  I think that Cap played both teams 10 times each, they beat them both 9 out of 10 times.  Cap can open up their offense when needed, but with a defense like the one they had this year, they didn't need to. 

I think that may be one of the silliest comments I've read yet.  Do you seriously believe that the coaching staff said to itself, "yeah, we could put up more points and open it up, but lets just keep it close and grind out the clock?"  If Cap could have scored more, they would have.  They didn't score more because they were in a tough environment against a good defense.  Be real.  If Cap's coaches didn't want to score a couple more times to make it a 10-17 point lead, then they are not good coaches.  

Thats like saying that in 2002, Ohio State could have beat Cinncinnati by 3 scores but they just wanted to keep it close and grind out the clock.   Yeah right.

[crusader26]

oldguy - You play with what works, and this year it was Cap's defense.  The past 2 years it was their offense winning games for them.  The 2002 OSU team is a good comparison if this years Cap's team.  They played not to loose, rather than playing to win.  How many times did Pentello throw deep (30+ yards) vs. NCC & WC??  They ran often on 1st & 2nd downs, and tried to throw on 3rd long.  IMO, their passing game is what makes the run work, not their running game making their passing game work.  They didn't take the chances with NCC & WC like they did in the regular season, and I think they played better defenses than WC & NCC.  Obviously my opinions are going to vary with most poster on here, based upon I am OAC fan.

[kcreds]

I just read my post from last night and I apologize, I meant Otterbein.

I only brought up the issue of JV games because it shows that the school is focused on having a winning football program. The school cares about football. What I didn't know is that there are other schools in the NCAC that also play a JV schedule. It seems they are the upper tier teams. OWU needs to schedule more.

[wabashcpa]

Ok, I'm watching ESPN NFL Sunday right now.  And they are discussing the Fair Catch Kick rule.  They say it is an unknown rule where any team returning a kick can fair catch it, and if they choose, make a unchallenged field goal attempt from the spot of the fair catch.  They then go on to discuss an instance that this rule was inforced.  Is this a real rule, or were they just joking around?  I have never heard of this.

Darkside, this is a real rule, albeit obscure.

[ScotsFan]

Obviously my opinions are going to vary with most poster on here, based upon I am OAC fan.

Umm, actually your opinions are going to vary with other posters on here because your opinions seem rather flawed.  But, they are your opinions nonetheless, and you are definately free to express whatever opinions you see fit to in this forum.  I will have to say that I have never heard of a coaching staff NOT wanting to score as many points as possible, no matter how good your defense is.  That would be like the Indianapolis Colts tellling Peyton Manning not to try to run it up as much now that the Colts finally have a decent defense.  It looks like the Colts are still a touchdown machine to me!

[frank uible]

darkside: The NCAA rules say that a field goal "shall be a scrimmage kick but may not be a free kick". See NCAA Rule 8-4-1.a. I can't find my copy of the NFL rules.

[smedindy]

It is a rule in the NFL because in the 80's the Colts fair caught a kick off and Dean Biasucci nailed an unmolested FG right before halftime.

[Pat Coleman]

It is a rule in the NFL.

It is not allowed in the NCAA. However, an officiating crew allowed it in a SCIAC game this year and apparently got an earful from the conference.

[Li'l Giant]

The Titans tried it earlier this year in their game at Houston. It was the last play before halftime. Tennessee called the fair catch in Houston territory but near the 50 and so it was a pretty long kick. It fell well short and the Texans returned it to the 30 or so before the returner was tackled. It's an odd looking play, that's for sure.