FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[smedindy]

Pat - I would rather see the entire historical record of a school being displayed, to be listed, to be studied and treasured. It says something about the history and tradition of a school - it's also interesting to see how schools meandered to D-3, and who they were playing back in the day. Relevant? Not really, not to today. But 1999 isn't relevant to today, either.


I think Butler is fairly comparble to D-3. In the Massey ratings last season, Butler was ranked below Wabash. So it's not really a step up - though still a nice win for Albion.

[oldguy]

Regardless of how you state it, it is still impressive to have the most wins.  Wittenberg played the big boys often back in the early days.  I have a recreation of the program cover for the Ohio State-Wittenberg game from 1929.  So they didn't rack up their wins against all cupcakes.

[gobash]

Yeah Wabash used to play Purdue back in the day.  In fact, it was the Purdue coach who gave us the "Little Giants" nickname, I believe.

[Ryan Tipps]

Actually, it was coach Francis Cayou who coined the term "Little Giants" back in 1904. The Indianapolis News heard him use the phrase, and the newspape incorporated it into a story. ("These Fleeting Years"; pg. 75)

[smedindy]

Wabash gave Purdue its nickname, due to the alleged ringers the Purdue squad brought in (who supposedly worked in the boiler plant at Purdue).

I believe Little Giants was coined after Wabash fought hard against Notre Dame in 1904, losing just 12-4.

[gobash]

D'oh...I always forget that it was Notre Dame, not Purdue, and it was our own coach.  Ah well, I'm a bad Wally

[wally_wabash]

A few thoughts from week 1, and yes I know I'm a little behind....

- Hooray Denison.  That's the kind of win the NCAC needs to be getting...

- Unless of course your predicted conference champ lays the biggest, ugliest, smelliest egg possible in their opener.  Shame on Witt.  For as much as Witt hangs it hat on "tradition" and "pride" and all of this, you just don't get beat like that on your own field on opening day.  Almost 600 yards of offense for Capital?  There's an odor coming from Springfield, and it sure as heck isn't pride.  That beating embarasses us all. 

- Good job to OWU for holding up their end of the deal on Saturday.  They might be legit after all. 

- Allegheny and Oberlin...close, but no cigar.  Close doesn't do much for the conference rep...these are games we have to start winning occasionally. 

I won't comment on Hiram except to say that at least they kept it under 50. 

Week 2 should be a good one...plenty of winnable games for the conference next week.  Here's hoping we do well.  One of those games excluded from the "winnable" list is Witt @ Dayton.  Dayton just got done pasting Tiffin 38-0, their QB is the PFL player of the week, and they just got ranked #1 in the NCAA I-AA mid-major poll.  Have fun with that, kids.

[wabashcpa]

I'm not sure I would be calling out Wittenberg for an embarrassing loss before our team even steps on the field.  Sometimes you run into a buzzsaw, and Capital is obviously an extremely talented team.  I'll bet they give MUC all they want this year.

[tiger_alum]

Ok, here may be my useless stat. for a lifetime!  This is all the research I am going to do, so don't ask for more. 

After Pat's  comments about winningest programs in DIII...I got to thinking.  And I like that, you know...the whole thinking part, thanks Pat.  Just how have certain schools faired in DIII...ONLY.  So here it is.  I looked up 6 schools.  The information is based soley on the information found on each school's official web site, respectively.  Granted, I didn't spend hours on this looking and searching for information.  I only used what was extremely easy to find.  (If you want to argue the stat, contact your school's web master.)  And honestly after trying six and talleying 4 school's w-l-t records since 1972, I am tired of it and I will do no more.  I did make the following assumptions:

1.  The following schools have had the DIII affilitation since 1972 and have never left.

2.  The official web sites are accurate.

3.  No one would mind if I actually tally w-l-t of their respective school.

4.  After a couple drinks, my math is still correct!  But I did check all math 2 times.

5.  No one would mind if I mispelled a word here or there.

6.  Most of us would be curious about the schools we are affiliated with; therefore, I stayed out of the west.

SO HERE GOES...

Allegheny:        total games 321  record:  212-104-5
Ohio Weslyan: Didn't find records
Mount Union:   Didn't find records
Wabash:          total games 323  record:  222-98-3
Wittbenberg:   total games 349  record:  277-68-4
Wooster:         total games 311  record:  148-162-1

I realize this means nothing, I just found it interesting and thought I would share it with others.  Here is a good start if anyone wants to finish the list.

And yes I realize I don't have a life!

[spliskin]

Who were the schools you compared & what were the actual results?

[Li'l Giant]

I know Ric's Mount Union site has their records. His site is pretty damn good for a "fan site". Better than a lot of official sites.

Wally, I agree with WabashCPA. I hope you don't jinx us somehow. God knows you've done it before.

M

[DarkSide-D]

It seems pat is saying that the past...even going as far back as 1890s...doesn't matter.   I beg to differ.  If one goes to Wooster's web site, there is a pic of when the scotties played at OSU.  In woo's trophy case there is a football from when wooster beat OSU.  Granted, this was in the 1920s and holds no bearing on todays game (OSU would crush any d-lll team today), but this tells the tale of of the schools past and is an emphasis on its pride.  Take Wabash "Wabash always fights."  this slogan is not just a slogan, it stems from their tradition.  I am unfamiliar with wabash's true history, but I am sure this stems from a long line of fighting to the end, even when the outcome seems bleak.  Take for example when Wooster was seemingly blowing wabash outta the water last year.  Wabash fought back and almost sent the game to overtime, possibly even winning the game.  in situations where the past can influence the present, is it fair to say that that tradition and past is relavent??

[Pat Coleman]

It seems pat is saying that the past...even going as far back as 1890s...doesn't matter.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that a listing of the winningest programs in Division III should only include Division III results.

I'm a big proponent of promoting and studying history -- when I was working as an SID I spent months building up the historical records and publishing them, online and in the media guide. However, it's not accurate to include those records in a list of the winningest programs in Division III.

Mount Union in that time, by the way, 294-63-4.

[tiger_alum]

Pat,

       Thanks for the addition to the list.

[scotty]

tigeralum, i must question your numbers on Wooster...my records show 148 wins 161 losses 2 ties...in the one game, the sheep got onto the field disrupting the opposing OSU qb, Ephram Schlicter, who threw an int allowing the COW to tie the game...it was later determined that he had bet on the game and was forever banished to the wood shop...so goes the legend...i sound like Keith Jackson...