FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[uknowme2]

In response to lbennett, the NCAC not only was created to provide equity for womens athletics but also to provide a home for schools that had a very similiar academic evironment to include selectivity.  While you bash Kenyon and say they dont have a place in this discussion, let us first say that they do.  First of all, the schools that you mention dont hold a candle to Kenyon academically.  Look it up.  They aren't nearly as selective as Kenyon but they compete with them under a false premise.  Witt, Woo, the Bash, you really just need a pulse to get in, that's fine everybody needs an opportunity, but if they aren't with the academic standards that the league is supposed to stand for, go back to the OAC or the HCAC and play with the other folks who dont necessarily care about academics to the extend that schools like Kenyon do.  Secondly, these teams have won the NCAC sure, but in recent times, they've won NOTHING on the national scene.  NCAC's supposed best team played Capital a few weeks ago and were summarily embarassed.  What's the big deal, I dont see why there is such a discussion because it's obvious that all of these teams are mediocure at best when compared to the elite in D3.
Lastly, if a kid is going to any D3 college because he's a "football player" then in all likelyhood he's an idiot.
If you've really observed D3 football you'll find that those kids are there for the experience, none of them can really play.  If they could, they'd be on scholarship somewhere .  In addition, you'd see a whole lot more of them on Sunday's getting paid.  They'd be better served to go and get an education and develop their skills for life, like those kids at Kenyon do.

Since you are so enlightened why don't you list the entrance requirements for all the schools in the NCAC.  I am 100% sure you can't and your comment is pure speculation.  And having a pulse is required by all institutions of higher learning. 

I don't see Kenyon jumping in line to play anyone.  Matter of fact they begged out of playing teams that have "won NOTHING on the national scene."

Not everything at the D1 level is based on ability.  Simply put, size makes a difference in their choice of recruits.  If you don't have the size, ability is often times overlooked.  It is possible to be a good football player and not get a scholarship.  There are some very good football players playing in the NCAC and even on Kenyon's roster. 

So maybe this discussion is dumb considering all the Kenyon kids do is worry about developing skills for life.

GO TIGERS!!!

[KC]

Kenyon is a great school, but it you want to go to college "to play football" in the NCAC you DON'T go to Kenyon.  Some of their players are probably good, but if they had the true competitive spirit they would thrive on the challenge of playing the tougher teams. 

How about the challenge of raising a program from the garbage can?  I'd say it has been a much bigger challenge for Kenyon football to rise from the grave than it is for Wabash or Witt to win a conference championship.  Those programs are to the point where every year they expect to contend for the NCAC crown, and continually do so because they have built programs that kids buy into.  Kenyon seems to be doing something I'd say is a lot tougher, which is going from a historically bad team (2003 era) to at least being in the discussion for a conference championship for the second year in a row.  Before the season started, people liked to point at the one year surges of Oberlin or Denison or whoever and just count Kenyon among those teams, but by showing up strong for the second straight year Kenyon is showing signs of becoming a program.  Maintaining greatness isn't easy, and Wabash and Witt should be complimented for doing that, but building greatness (which Kenyon is trying to do) is more of a challenge.  To suggest that any player who did not choose to attend a year in year out contender isn't competitive is a joke.

[WallyFS4]

It's the truth Wally.  Face facts, if they were good, they'd be on scholarship.  Why can't you see that.  It's fun to watch, great to be there, but it's not on tv.  If the Bash were really cookin', GameDay Live would've been in Crawfordsville for the Allegheny game.  Be real, it's not ignorant, it's the truth.  If one of the kids on any of these rosters had been offered a scholarship anywhere, they wouldn't be in the NCAC.
Quit fooling yourself or quit acting like you know football if you can't come to that conclusion.

You really are showing your ignorants.  I know some student athletes that by-passed athletic scholarships for academic scholarships, and play at the DIII level.  The difference between most DIII and DI player is usually size, .10 second in the 40.  The skill levels are very close.  Playing athletics on the college level take extreme skill, no matter if it is DIII or DI.  I must point out I said PLAY.  Being on a team does not constitute a player.

IF anyone here is a jerk, it's Pat.

Does that little "if" make that any less insulting?

AMEN

[wabashcpa]

Witt, Woo, the Bash, you really just need a pulse to get in, that's fine everybody needs an opportunity, but if they aren't with the academic standards that the league is supposed to stand for, go back to the OAC or the HCAC and play with the other folks who dont necessarily care about academics to the extend that schools like Kenyon do.

You have got to be kidding me.  With that logic, Kenyon needs to be in a conference of one, since nobody else can hold a candle to their intellectual prowess.

KC, I agree that being consistently competitive and challenging for a championship after years as a bottom-feeder would be as impressive an accomplishment as one of the "powers" consistently winning championships.  All we want to see is Kenyon being consistently competitive against the best teams in the conference.  You should have that opportunity within the next couple of years, so Kenyon needs to be prepared to take advantage and show they're "back".

I hope for the good of the conference that Kenyon can continue to improve.

[Pat Coleman]

IF anyone here is a jerk, it's Pat.

Does that little "if" make that any less insulting?

No. But the proper noun makes it a lot less accurate, so I'm not overly concerned.

Seems like there's always one Wabash fan that has to be governed by the chip on his shoulder. Perhaps that person ... and I'm not saying you, btw, should cosider taking a chill pull before posting. Thanks.

Observer, dude, you couldn't be further from reality. Go see some games outside your little world, where there are definitely people who can play.

[big_bash]

I rarely post, being more of an "Observer," but I felt inclined to throw my two cents in...

A) Obviously, there are people in D3 that can play. They come for a variety of reasons, whether size, maybe injury during junior/senior year in high school, personal decision, or the 500 million other reasons that I am sure exist. Stating otherwise is simply a discredit to all that play at this level.

B) Academic wise... I am a firm believer that you can get a great education at any school you choose to attend. A person can go to an Ivy and slack off and get through by the skin of their teeth and a person could go to Random State School U. and work hard and get an education that would rival that of any school. Stating that a school is better or worse academically than a different school is the same as a preseason Top 25 poll, to me. It is great for the fans/alumni/administration, but really it doesn't affect reality that much.

C) Kenyon did what they had to do at the time, and the conference allowed it. They are back and whatever secret mojo that the NCAC has to determine schedules has them not playing Wabash and Witt this year. This isn't Kenyon's fault; it is the NCAC that determines scheduling. If you blame anyone blame them. Kenyon has their schedule and it is up to them to make the best with the schedule they have and to get as many Ws as possible.

D) NCAC refs have ruined College football for me. In the games that Wabash has won and lost I have seen such horrible calling on both sides that the sport to me has lost some of its luster.

Ok, I've gotten that off my chest. I'll go back to lurking in the background and posting my pick 'em choices.

[uknowme2]

D) NCAC refs have ruined College football for me. In the games that Wabash has won and lost I have seen such horrible calling on both sides that the sport to me has lost some of its luster.

I don't think bad officiating is something that happens only in the NCAC.  It is a problem anywhere.  I have a friend that is a head official in the MAC.  He's a white hat and has been doing it for a very long time.  He told me that a majority of officials have never played the game before and that there is a limited pool.  If D1's are getting bad officials, D3's are going to get even worse.  Right now D1 can't get it right all the time and they're using replay.  The officials are horrible, at times, but then again you don't say anything about them if they are doing a good job.

I'm sure we all could be decent officials, but none of us are doing it.

GO TIGERS!!!

[medicine man]

Observer is an "idiot" if he truly believes what he says. 

Also before running his mouth anymore he needs to check the ACT of two of Kenyon's current players (below 18----fact!)

I don't really care if they have below 18 but don't try to play the "academic" card. 

To say it is easy to get into Woo or Bash is absolutely absurd !!!!!!!!!

And, I also know players who did not choose D1-AA, D-II and chose D-III for many mature, very intelligent reasons. These kids are hardly idiots. 

[WallyFS4]

Seems like there's always one Wabash fan that has to be governed by the chip on his shoulder. Perhaps that person ... and I'm not saying you, btw, should cosider taking a chill pull before posting. Thanks

First, Pat I must say I have a lot of respect for you.  With that being said.  Be honest you were a geek with a great idea, and you moved on it.  D3sports is one of the best sights on the web.  You speak of the chip that is on the Wabash posters.  I'm sorry the chip seems to be on your shoulder.  When ever you are called out, you attack.  There are others besides you and Ric and other Mt. Union posters that know football.  I don't profess to be an expert, but some of my comment have merit, as do others that post here.

[DarkSide-D]

For all Wooster fans, its an end of an era.  McWoo, our beloved mascot is no more. 

http://athletics.wooster.edu/w_association/mascot/default.php

[skunks_sidekick]

Wow....now I have seen everything.  A NCACer playing the academic card WITIN the NCAC........that is just wack!   

I hope all you realize that this guy is a disgruntled, not quite good enough swimmer, who now hates all sports that are not swimming.     Swimmers are just too full of hate.  Who is coaching these kids, and by what means

[skunks_sidekick]

Oh, and Wally.....there may be people that know football other than us Mount posters......but we are the only ones that know D-I transfer, slack admission standard, 200 kid roster playing, D-III CHAMPIONSHIP football!  

(The previous statement was a joke.  However, being as it was made by a non-NCAC, non-D-III poster, the humor was quite sophmoric, and silly.)

[wally_wabash]

No, that was pretty funny.  *applause*

[DarkSide-D]

Observer,

how do you explain dlll schools beating II and I-AA schools?  Or nearly beating?  I mean, if we Dlll players suck so bad.  WHY DIDN'T YOU PLAY DIII SPORTS?  Or is it, that you weren't good enough to play?  Hmmm, not good enough for kenyon football huh?

[Li'l Giant]

For all Wooster fans, its an end of an era.  McWoo, our beloved mascot is no more. 

http://athletics.wooster.edu/w_association/mascot/default.php

Is that an all-new mascot or a name change only? If it's a new mascot, what did the old one look like?