FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[WallyFS4]

Thanks BB16.  Nice to see the respect from both sides.  As always.

WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS!

[Li'l Giant]

Article on Wooster's DE Evan Watson in the C-ville paper...

http://www.journalreview.com/main.asp?SectionID=5&SubSectionID=29&ArticleID=24576&TM=50354.87

Nice piece. I've never met Evan but I had his father for a class and was in a play that he directed. I have a tremendous amount of respect for Professor Watson and am not surprised one bit he has such a great son.

[littlegiant66]

Here's a look at the NCAC tiebreaker from Wabash's SID Brent Harris from Bash's point of view:

http://www2.wabash.edu/blog/sidnotes/

[ScotLass]

What a nice article on Evan Watson. Clearly, he's a great player and young man....he's also the real deal as a musician.

[DarkSide-D]

Why can't the NCAC just tell us what is the tie breaker?  Are they afraid someone is going to sneak into the elaborate NCAC headquarters, crack their computer, and change around who gets in the playoffs?  Does it really matter that the masses know?

Personally, I think its a bunch of crap!

[kcreds]

Didn't we have this playoff discussion last year? Looks like to me it will be a yearly event.

I guess no one cares about my band post or there is no other NCAC team other than Wooster that has a full blown band. I saw one of the best high school bands at OWU. Is music a part of Liberal Arts schools? 

[Superfoot Wallace]

First go to conference record.

Conference record even, then head to head.

Three (four isnt possible with too many tie ins regardless the Kenyon scheduling debacle) way tie with a rock paper scissor in the head to head, go to least recent playoff appearance.

Is there a scenario not accounting for?  Dont think the conference will look with any disfavor on Kenyon if they were to jump through these three hoops.

Kenyon wins out then in, regardless the seasons finish for Witt or Bash.

Oberlin wins out then in, regardless the seasons finish for Bash.

Kenyon drops one and Witt wins out then Witts in.

Bash beats Woo and wins out, Kenyon and Witt drop one more, then Bash is in.  Same scenario for Woo.

Oberlin and Kenyon are the only teams that control their own destiny at the moment, with a head to head yet to come.

Somebody que the Spyro Gyra.

Somehow, some way, there is still a passing lane open for Allegheny, should all the stars align.  "If" Witt takes care of bsuiness against Oberlin, then Oberlin assumes the role of spoiler to Kenyon and the Allegheny - Witt game becomes important and implicates the seasons results for Woo and Bash.  

Woo and Bash have been to the playoffs more recently than the others, so Allegheny would need each to tag on another loss.

But for the Monon Bell at the end of the season, the Big Red could make the playoffs.  There arent enough conference games left to be lost by Bash. With enough games in a scenario where Witt loses two more, Woo beats Kenyon and loses the rest, Bash loses two more (Woo being one of them doesnt have Woo beating Kenyon and losing out, because they dont have as many conference games left), Kenyon losing to both Denison and Woo, Dension would qualify... but for...

The only teams truly eliminated for fun speculation and all practical purposes are the Terriers and Quakers.  And even they have spoiler roles to play that arent too far fetched.

In actuality, the Monon Bell is the reason the league couldnt get to a fourth tie breaker.  

Typing quick so some one point out the failure of my logic.

signed,
Nash

[wally_wabash]

My understanding, based on the link to to Brent Harris's blog, is that Kenyon and Oberlin are the two teams right now that DON'T control their own destiny.  Where are you getting your info, MacLeod? 

And yes, this will be an annual discussion up until the point where the conference posts a "NCAC Football Tiebreak" link on their webpage or otherwise diseminates the information to the media (it sounds like this may be happening to some degree this week).  I believe the people that really need to know (coaches, AD's, etc.) know...I just don't understand why the tiebreak rules have to be guarded like they were launch codes.   

Most recent forecast calls for little/no chance of rain by gametime, winds around 20 mph.  The wind can be a serious factor at the Hollett. 

[Superfoot Wallace]

Sorry kcreds, thats not gonna happen in this league.  Theres music departments and then there are conservatories.  Some even get to call themselves Universities for such acumen.

Welcome to the snobbery of the NCAC.

Though do like the idea of the AUPepBand and the Rats at Linfield with their antics.

While the Central State football program was shutdown, Witt used to bring their band in.  That was kewl.

best regards,
Groundskeeper Willy

[smedindy]

The field is going to be soaked though. It's rained here for two days straight. Ick.

[Superfoot Wallace]

Apologies for the scrolling in posts, but wally, all that was done in my earlier post were the three orders listed to begiin the post and conditions subsequent applied as to the current records and games remaining.  There are some diminishing returns that occur as the round robin acts like a centrifuge.

Thought I saw an error in my logic, but went back and checked and saw that Oberlin only has one loss and could deal Witt another.

Guess Oberlin could be even record with Bash and lose in the head to head category without the three way most recent coming into play.  Or they could pull even with Woo with no head to head.  Thats the only snafu methinks.  The Woo scenrio mentioned here plays out according to the three orders, while the Bash head to head with Obi necessarily eliminates Woo and Witt, leaving the only potential for an undisclosed tie break.  That is of course unless we get into the debate of four two loss conference champions.  Gasp!  Think the late weighting of the Monon eliminates that scenario.  

Interested in the blog you reference.  Who?  What? Where?

Leibniz

[wally_wabash]

Here's a look at the NCAC tiebreaker from Wabash's SID Brent Harris from Bash's point of view:

http://www2.wabash.edu/blog/sidnotes/

The blog post is linked in the above quote. 

Help me understand what the Monon Bell Classic has to do with the NCAC race?  It's no more or less important to the outcome of the NCAC race than the Kenyon/Grinnell game was. 

[Superfoot Wallace]

In some circles its called initiative.  Sorta like not fighting Geronimo in the Mountains.  Obscure IBM PC AT Ancient Art of War reference there.

Just the fact it comes at the end of the season for purposes of analysis leaves Wabash with less potential for conference loss this late in the race.  Just for purpose of analysis, not that it weighs any more or less in the final standings than  any other noncon game.

Should think this is a distinct advantage when it comes to settling or should say selling Mo.

Think there is a distinct character to Witt playing Allegheny late in the season as well.  Better than Woo in my opinion.  17 of 19 versus less than five hundred over the same period.  Easier sell either way.

Haveto think sloppy field conditions would favor Woo.  Just my experience, though this has been mitigated somewhat by their transition to oneback.  Both lines are Ginormous, but still feel Woo is more of a mucker.

RnD Nail

[ncacfan1]

It is my understanding that Kenyon will never win a tie break with Witt or Bash because by not playing either of them they forfeit their right to the auto bid circumstance of who ever hasnt been in a longer amount of time goes.

[Superfoot Wallace]

That was the first I had heard of their forfeiting the right to the third level tiebreak.  In actuality, that would seem fair, but holding my breath until this tidbit is published. 

Thanks for pointing me to the blog wally.

Does the same hold true for Oberlin by virtue of not playing Woo?

Or is the Kenyon situation a different animal than simple power scheduling?

signed,
Penn State 94