FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[BashBacker#16]

Short,

I can't disagree more with your Coach of the Year Award?  Who the hell did Ramsey beat?  Vs. Witt...38-14 pummeling...vs. Wabash...42-14 pummeling...and on top of that, you think a player off of the losing team in both thrashings should be the OFFENSIVE MOST VALUABLE PLAYER in the NCAC??  I have said all along, Vanover may be a viable option, maybe Wabash WR Mike Russell... but please do not give this award to Oberlin's RV Carroll - I just can't see how you could.

Who stands out from this list:
2007 POY RV Carroll ??
2006 POY Tristan Murray
2005 POY Russ Harbaugh
2004 POY Tony Sutton
2003 POY Tony Sutton
2002 POY Jake Knott
2001 POY Jake Knott

Regarding Chris Creighton's coaching job this season...seriously, you don't think what he's done with this team merits Coach of the Year for the league?  Where do I even start?  Losing Huff in game 1 was a HUGE-HUGE blow.  Wabash had no clear cut #2 and 2 guys that had never thrown a varsity pass at Wabash.  Think about the team psyche, attitude, and all the question marks following that injury.  Not to mention all of the other injuries...Mike Russell, the O-line, etc.  7-0 in the NCAC is as good as it gets.  I don't see how you couldn't hand this award to CC.

[short]

BB16,
Who was going to beat Bash this year?  No team had near the talent that Wabash had!  Sure they lost Huff but the found the Best Offensive Player in the NCAC (just ask Wally) sitting on the bench behind him.  What O-Line matched up with the Hard Hat D-Line? Jared Lange and Darryl Kennon are the best 2 D-lineman in the League and they have #40 and #42 standing behind them... who in this League can block them?  Allegheny... no the gave up 27 sack this year, Wooster... maybe if the still had their LT from '06, OWU... they lost their QB also,  Witt... They Started about 5 or 6 Freshmen and a load of Sophomores, Denison... Improving but they had no chance this year.  Sure Russell was hurt early but he came on strong late and when it mattered most (vs Witt and Woo) and he is the Best WR the NCAC has seen since Short! I guess for me CC did a good job but the NCAC was so down and Wabash was so much more talented than the rest of the league why should he get the award?  Ramsey beat Allegheny and 4 other teams, he out coached this talent unless RV is the most Talented Offensive Player in the League.  If anything this Wabash team played down to its opponent vs Wooster, Wittenburg, Allegheny, Fracklin (they might just be good), and DePauw.  The last time it bit them!!!

[Li'l Giant]

Who did CC really beat,

Every NCAC team he coached against. Anyone else do that this year? Well, I suppose Greg Debeljak did, but he's not eligible.   

[ScotLass]

This is a good topic to discuss...what exactly constitutes a newcomer?  Historically it's been anybody who didn't play the year before.  True, Hudson is in his second year, but Hudson didn't take a single snap last year.  His first college snap came on a kneel down at the end of the Franklin game in week 1.  Murray and Sutton both had played college football before coming to the NCAC.  In that respect, Hudson is much more of a newcomer than either of those two. 

Historically, it’s pretty clear what constitutes a “newcomer”. It’s a player new to the NCAC, whether as a freshman or as a transfer.

’95 Pope            FR
’96 Wanless       FR
’97 Donaldson    FR
’98 Goldsbury     FR
’99 Harmon         FR
’00  Hobi             Transfer
’01  Valenzuela   Transfer
’02  Sutton          Transfer
’03  LaFitte         FR
’04  Murray         Transfer
’05  Sheppard     FR
’06  Huffman       FR

[Li'l Giant]

Historically, it's pretty clear what constitutes a "newcomer". It's a player new to the NCAC, whether as a freshman or as a transfer.

Looking at the list ScotLass posted I'm inclined to agree with her.

[nike]

Don't see how Hudson can be considered a newcomer. He has got to be in running for POY only.
Also, aueagle, someone thought they saw Hymes at db for OWU at CWRU Saturday. Could that be right?

[BashDad]

Short,

You can't have it both ways, man.

You can't say, on one hand, that Hudson doesn't deserve POY because he plays in Creighton's system and then, on the other, discredit Creighton's ridiculous coaching job by saying he was lucky enough to have Hudson waltz off the bench.

Not sure hudson should get player of the year-- not yet anyway-- but am absolute in thinking Creighton pulled off a slight miracle getting a sophomore (who give me a break, didn't even plan on playing this year) to not only win games but to win them as efficiently as Hudson has. Behind every good decision Hudson's made, and there've been quite a few, there's CC-- his arms crossed, his brow furrowed, his damn pencil in his ear-- not giving the young guy a second of satisfaction. The result? Another conference championship.

Oberlin? Give me a break.

[BashDad]

Who was going to beat Bash this year?  No team had near the talent that Wabash had! 

Last time I checked, this was a pretty reliable sign of good coaching.

[nike]

Bottom line, in my opinion, Monon Bell is Monon Bell-NCAC is NCAC and Hudson led his team spectacularly undefeated through the conference schedule.  Who else on offense played as well in the biggest games as Hudson did? Let me put it this way.  If Huff had not gotten injured and put up the exact same numbers and finished with the exact same record, he would get POY hands down.  Pyenberg casts a long shadow.  As does CC.
Next year Shepperd, Schmitz and ? sweep.

[BashDad]

If Huff had not gotten injured and put up the exact same numbers and finished with the exact same record, he would get POY hands down. 

A great point, that point...

[ScotLass]

I'll put in my two cents for what it's worth.....usually nada, however:

Vanover rushed for a total of 498 yds. The rushing yds for Witt were spread over several guys, so I don't see how this warrants POY. Especially when one considers that Huffman passed for 2052 yds.

RV Carroll rushed for just over 100 yds per game (1038 total). His QB Mangan passed for 2236, so seems like a good team effort here. Especially when you consider that Oberlin's losses included 3 playoff bound teams (Bash, Case, W&J) and Witt. Clearly Ramsey did a good job here. There could be a case here, however

Bash wins the conference by beating everybody including Oberlin and Witt. They have faced no teams heading to the playoffs and lost to DePauw. However, they faced a seemingly difficult challenge with a QB with no game experience and pulled it off. I think that requires very good coaching and some outstanding poise on Hudson's part to put up the kind of numbers he has (and as nike mentions, Huff would be looking good for POY if he had produced similar results). Hudson was pivotal in the Bash effort in getting to the playoffs.

I think there's a good case for: Creighton, Hudson, Pynenberg in a sweep here. And I can see the possibility of Fisher as newcomer from OWU.

nike.....Sheppard finished the season with 896 yds rushing, most of it in just the last 6 games, so we can expect great things next season....

[nike]

Would love to see some of the tier 2 kids from the Mooney Steubenville game Saturday at  Wooster next year.  Don't know about grades, but what talent. That is where I would be recruiting Saturday.

[wally_wabash]

Bash wins the conference by beating everybody including Oberlin and Witt. They have faced no teams heading to the playoffs...

I know it was a long time ago, but Wabash did beat HCAC champ Franklin in week 2.   

Here's pretty much all we need to know about COY.  In 23 years of NCAC football, only one time has the COY award gone a coach who did not win or share the conference championship (Earlham's Frank Carr won the COY award while Allegheny won the NCAC championship in 1994).  As that one time was in 1994, there isn't even a recent precedent for awarding the COY to anybody other than the coach of the team that won the league title.   If Ramsey was going to win this award, it would have had to have been in 2003 where his team came out of nowhere to win 5 games as well as score a win over a ranked team. 

[smedindy]

Hudson's not eligible for newcomer of the year, I fear. But still he SHOULD be offensive POY. Whether he will be or not is all up to the NCAC, but I won't be angsty if he's not.

[ScotLass]

oops....that should have said "have faced one team", not "no teams". The hour was late is my excuse....