FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[wabco]

The 4% is accurate.  And the schools who find themselves in a national ranking in Div III ... I believe I an say without fear of contradiction today ... are careful to be within the written guidelines.

I am not sure what is meant by a "grant - in - aid".  That could be at the root of Raider 68 being taken the wrong way.  If it is aid based upon demonstrated need, the "rules" apply the 4% variance rule.  Some schools are more generous with financial aid support than others.  Hence, maybe there is more financial aid available for the same demonstrated need at one school than at another.

ALSO  ... do not know if Raider's "68" is year of graduaton or jersey number.  If year of graduation, it is quite possible that his "grant-in-aid" was athletic based.  I believe during that time period ... example:  DePauw had "Recter Scholars"  and Wabash had "Pete Vaughn" Scholars.  These were athletic based scholarships ... just a few at each school.  This ceased when Div III rules became operative.   So maybe Raider would have been a Recter or a Pete Vaughn.

I know Wabash is very careful not to violate the Div III rules on scholarshiping althletws.  That is why it is often so dishartening to see a good student be courted and convinced by some run of the mill Div II school with a 1/2 "athletic scholarship" ... to choose the lesser school for all the stupid reasons rather than go through the financial aid etc. application and consideration processes..

[Raider 68]

The 4% is accurate.  And the schools who find themselves in a national ranking in Div III ... I believe I an say without fear of contradiction today ... are careful to be within the written guidelines.

I am not sure what is meant by a "grant - in - aid".  That could be at the root of Raider 68 being taken the wrong way.  If it is aid based upon demonstrated need, the "rules" apply the 4% variance rule.  Some schools are more generous with financial aid support than others.  Hence, maybe there is more financial aid available for the same demonstrated need at one school than at another.

ALSO  ... do not know if Raider's "68" is year of graduaton or jersey number.  If year of graduation, it is quite possible that his "grant-in-aid" was athletic based.  I believe during that time period ... example:  DePauw had "Recter Scholars"  and Wabash had "Pete Vaughn" Scholars.  These were athletic based scholarships ... just a few at each school.  This ceased when Div III rules became operative.   So maybe Raider would have been a Recter or a Pete Vaughn.

I know Wabash is very careful not to violate the Div III rules on scholarshiping althletws.  That is why it is often so dishartening to see a good student be courted and convinced by some run of the mill Div II school with a 1/2 "athletic scholarship" ... to choose the lesser school for all the stupid reasons rather than go through the financial aid etc. application and consideration processes..

Graduating class of 1968!

[Black n Gold]

Congrats to the few NCAC/ Ohio seniors who were selected to play in the "Ohiocollegefootball.com Bowl".

North Team

Wooster/ Albani CB, Holter ATH, Obery OL

Hiram/ Caswell DT

Kenyon/ Von Kann WR


South Team

Denison/ Krempasky RB, Homyk S

Witt/ Brown CB, Huffman QB, Williams WR, Lohrman LB

OWU/ Tolliver DE, Mittler-Burke S


This game sounds interesting....it's a mix of all 3 divisions. Check it out:

http://www.ohiocollegefootball.com/members/ocf/adminpages/OCFSeniorBowl

It will be televised on "Sports Time Ohio". The game is April 17 @1pm

[wally_wabash]

The 2011 schedule is posted on the conference webpage.  It's just a home/away mirror image of the 2010 schedule...complete with non-league games against league opponents.  What.  A.  Crock. 

Maybe the NCAC isn't adding a school.  Or not adding a school in time to work them in to the 2011 schedule (I still think if a team were added anytime before the start of the 2010-2011 academic year, you'd have time to schedule a season with the newb included for 2011...but whatever).  Either way, fine.  But why can't teams be free to take that non-league league game and explore the option of playing a true non-league opponent?  2011 is not imminent.  There is time to look around on this.  Why do Wabash and Kenyon have to play that game if it doesn't count for league standings?  There are better games to be had out there for both of those teams.  Ditto for a number of the other non-league games on the schedule.  Very, very disappointing. 

[smedindy]

I took a gander at the schedules. I was going to say that it may be hard to find a non-conference game in the middle of the season on short notice, but two of those games (Denison - OWU and Kenyon - Oberlin) are WEEK ONE!

Second, every team has one of those games! Six conference games that count, two UAA games, and at least one "non conference" game against an NCAC opponent! Kenyon, Oberlin, and OWU don't have ANY games outside the NCAC or UAA. Yeesh.

Ok, let's get serious here. If all nine NCAC teams play seven conference opponents, then seven games should count in the standings, right?


Morons, I've got morons in my conference.

[bashbrother]

Morons, I've got morons in my conference.

Did someone say maroon?

[ADL70]

My suspicion is the week one games are to preserve traditional rivalries.  Having all the intra-NCAC games count as conference games may not fit with the conference's scheduling philosophy (the power ratings).  A replacement may still be in the works for 2012, so it might not be that easy to find teams willing to schedule a one year only game rather than a home-and-home series.

[smedindy]

But those power ratings are upset by one team leaving anyway.

I'm not really a fan of those who complain about scheduling. You win the games or you don't.

The "non-conference" NCAC games

Allegheny - Oberlin
Denison - OWU
Hiram - Witt
Kenyon - Oberlin
Keynon - Wabash
OWU - Wooster

Now, for the contenders (Witt, Wabash, Wooster, Gheny) if they can't beat Oberlin, Kenyon, OWU or Hiram then they shouldn't complain about anything.

Three teams (Oberlin, OWU, Kenyon) do play 8 games against NCAC foes. Kenyon / Oberlin is non-conference, and OWU can choose either Denison or Wooster to be non-conference for them. It's a conference game for Denison and Wooster, though.

Let 'em all count except those listed above. So OWU has a slight advantage - with the lackluster performance by the Bishops of late it's not going to really make much difference.

[wally_wabash]

But those power ratings are upset by one team leaving anyway.

As we learned last year, the power ratings are also based on results that are 4-5 years old and completely irrelevant to the present. 

[wabco]

Swerving to the swimming pool for a moment ... congrats to the Little Giant swimmers on their third place finish in the conference meet AND to the Denizens on winning it.  This is the second year for them ... must be shaking the buildings over at Kenyon-land.

Now back to the normal "scheduling"

[smedindy]

Swerving to the swimming pool for a moment ... congrats to the Little Giant swimmers on their third place finish in the conference meet AND to the Denizens on winning it.  This is the second year for them ... must be shaking the buildings over at Kenyon-land.

Now back to the normal "scheduling"

From what I have heard, Kenyon doesn't do their "taper and shave" until the NCAA's. They want to do WELL at the NCAC meet, but it's not their prime directive.

However, congrats to the LG's. 3rd in swimming in the NCAC is a worthy accomplishment!

[smedindy]

But those power ratings are upset by one team leaving anyway.

As we learned last year, the power ratings are also based on results that are 4-5 years old and completely irrelevant to the present. 

Which makes no sense on why they schedule that way now. Do we really need to know 3 years down the road who we will play in the NCAC in football? It's not like fans make travel plans years in advance. Heck, in D-1 men's hoops the schedule isn't finalized until September at some schools (usually, what tomato can will we play this time? Oh, here's Maryland - Eastern Shore...)

Right now, the 2011 schedule should be formulated based on 2008 and 2009. The upcoming 2010 schedule should have been done with 2007 and 2008 data only.

[smedindy]

Oh, and why can't the UAA be part of the power rating scheme as well?

Yes, it may mean Allegheny and Washington may play each other. But what's a 10 hour drive among friends?

[wally_wabash]

Having the UAA be more involved in the schedule is certainly not what I'm looking for. 

[smedindy]

Having the UAA be more involved in the schedule is certainly not what I'm looking for. 

But if they are...then let's get them in the power rating thing.

I really would rather play three of the four UAA teams than Manchester or Anderson.