FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[Mr. Ypsi]

Because of the Big Ten Network (don't know if the name will soon change), Nebraska will get roughly $13 M more than they got in the Big 12.  (Ironic that as of tonight, the Big 10 has 12 teams; the Big 12 has 10 teams!)  Not sure as to the payoff for Colorado, but I guarantee they at least think they will get much more with the PAC however many.  I'm guessing that Texas, etc., will go wherever they think they get the biggest paycheck.

I'm glad that d3 is not d1!

[ADL70]

I don't see much traction for CWRU leaving the UAA.  With many sports competing by tournaments and the travel partner scheduling for basketball, the travel isn't too bad and gives exposure in major metropolitan areas (which IMHO is the gain the NCAC gets from scheduling UAA teams).  The UAA teams are members of the AAU, similar research universities and have a national presence in almost every sport other than football.

With ten teams again I suspect that NCAC will go back to an East and West division schedule for baseball.  It would work well for CWRU to be an East Division baseball affiliate and either WUStL or Chicago a West Division affiiiate.

aueagle must be on vacation, else he would have let us know about this:

http://news.owu.edu/2010/20100608-selbyLights.html

As far as high school football playoff games I have one word: "parking?"  And a couple more:  restrooms and concessions on visitor's side.

Seems like Wooster isn't using its lights this season; wonder why not.

[Pat Coleman]

There are other sports at Wooster who will benefit from the lights.

[UChicago Maroon]

More NCAC-UAA: three points

1- May I begin by stating that Wabash and Witt (you can now add DePauw) are very, very good teams. 

2-The current President of Wabash, Pat White is a UChicago alum and the NCAC and UAA presidents make all the final calls and they just voted to extend the relationship.  Therefore, they must feel that the relationship is important.  Also, I heard that two other conferences (the SCAC I would guess being one) have recently ask the UAA about cross-over scheduling.  That is perhaps why the NCAC president's voted to extended the deal.

3- This cross-over play has two years of history.   Very interesting results.  The two leagues have played 34 games and the UAA leads the series 22-12.  Only Wash U has a losing record (3-5) vs NCAC teams.  Both years the UAA has posted a 11-6 record.

[cave2bens]

More NCAC-UAA: three points

1- May I begin by stating that Wabash and Witt (you can now add DePauw) are very, very good teams. 

2-The current President of Wabash, Pat White is a UChicago alum and the NCAC and UAA presidents make all the final calls and they just voted to extend the relationship.  Therefore, they must feel that the relationship is important.  Also, I heard that two other conferences (the SCAC I would guess being one) have recently ask the UAA about cross-over scheduling.  That is perhaps why the NCAC president's voted to extended the deal.

3- This cross-over play has two years of history.   Very interesting results.  The two leagues have played 34 games and the UAA leads the series 22-12.  Only Wash U has a losing record (3-5) vs NCAC teams.  Both years the UAA has posted a 11-6 record.

It's always wise to closely examine opponents before justifying reputed strength - WashStL had a losing record because they were the only UAA club to face both Wabash and Wittenberg in the same season.  It's quite easy to accumulate a gaudy record when most of the victories came against sub.500 NCAC'ers, with no offense intended toward either COW or Allegheny. 

There are advantages of affiliation/crossover, particularly with some of the 3:2 programs academically and for the quartet of UAA gridiron clubs from a travel and schedule aspect.   Would the added exposure in big city markets be a boon to NCAC recruiting?  When average attendance in Cleveland or Chicago is 1500-2000 at home games, its probably insignificant other than a "big city weekend."  "Wally" raises a salient point regarding diluting the Pool A waters as well as possible SOS issues for Pool C, but as point two illustrates, this is a conference run by the college presidents and not by coaches, athletic directors, or fans.   

[BashDad]

2-The current President of Wabash, Pat White is a UChicago alum and the NCAC and UAA presidents make all the final calls and they just voted to extend the relationship. 

Nooooooo!!!!!!!!!

Is this true?

[bashbrother]

No..... No..... and more No!!!

Case not playing Wabash or Witt is kind of a joke.   Case wants respect, but doesn't want to play anyone in the regular season, get their 10-0 record and then lose in the 1st round of the playoffs.  Now, Case will probably not play Wabash, Witt or Depauw.  uugh!

The reason most Wabash faithful do not want the UAA relationship is because we want a few other non-conference games back to schedule tougher regional opponents.

I hope the rumor is not true.  If it is, we'll just have to deal with it.

[ADL70]

I'm pretty sure he's in a position to know of what he speaks.

At least in 2012 Wabash will have one game to schedule outside the agreement.

I'm not sure that CWRU has any choice in which NCAC teams it plays.  I think the problem with the NCAC schedule process is that its power ratings are outdated by the time they are used to schedule.

Playing in the big UAA cities gives an opportunity for an alumni event

[Ralph Turner]

I'm pretty sure he's in a position to know of what he speaks.

At least in 2012 Wabash will have one game to schedule outside the agreement.

I'm not sure that CWRU has any choice in which NCAC teams it plays.  I think the problem with the NCAC schedule process is that its power ratings are outdated by the time they are used to schedule.

Playing in the big UAA cities gives an opportunity for an alumni event

Yes. 

[Ralph Turner]

The front page poll has DPU men's basketball benefiting most.

Why do NCAC fans think that?

Thanks.

[Pat Coleman]

Actually, the question asks which sport benefits most from DePauw joining the NCAC. While I suppose that could be taken a different way, it was intended to mean, which sport in the NCAC improves the most from adding DePauw.

[BashDad]

I'm pretty sure he's in a position to know of what he speaks.

At least in 2012 Wabash will have one game to schedule outside the agreement.

I'm not sure that CWRU has any choice in which NCAC teams it plays.  I think the problem with the NCAC schedule process is that its power ratings are outdated by the time they are used to schedule.

Playing in the big UAA cities gives an opportunity for an alumni event

Yes. 

Who gives a flip. Wabash next season has to wait 8 friggin' weeks before we know where that team is at. That sucks. What benefit--for a football program--is there in aligning yourself with academically reputable, though athletically mediocre schools? If Kenyon, Hiram, and all the rest of the schools in our conference want to schedule those programs, I say terrific. If it's mandated, I cry foul. It's a waste of time and a detriment to the programs that want to push through to the top ten in the country. Ugh.

[Ralph Turner]

The front page poll has DPU men's basketball benefiting most.

Why do NCAC fans think that?

Thanks.

Actually, the question asks which sport benefits most from DePauw joining the NCAC. While I suppose that could be taken a different way, it was intended to mean, which sport in the NCAC improves the most from adding DePauw.

I misread the question.  Thanks for the clarification. 

I agree that DPU makes the NCAC a stronger basketball conference, but I think that DPU will have its most success in football. (One playoff appearance in 12 years.)

[cave2bens]

The front page poll has DPU men's basketball benefiting most.

Why do NCAC fans think that?

Thanks.

I agree that DPU makes the NCAC a stronger basketball conference, but I think that DPU will have its most success in football. (One playoff appearance in 12 years.)

DPU should strengthen the conference in almost all aspects, but think the major impact may actually be baseball and the probability of upsetting the COW applecart.  On the other hand, I don't see DPU winning repeated conference swimming championships the way they did in the SCAC    That may be a battle for position 3-5 unless the Lords and Big Red suffer team-wide, psuedomonas afflictions.

The reason most Wabash faithful do not want the UAA relationship is because we want a few other non-conference games back to schedule tougher regional opponents.

I hope the rumor is not true.  If it is, we'll just have to deal with it.

If presidential expansion is inevitable, and environmentally responsible scheduling occurs which allows CWRU to continue vaunted successes against the Birkenstock-clad Obies and the like, how long before Monon is supplanted in week 11 for the big play-off in interest of fairness and big city exposure? 

Propose an assumed NCAC-UAA (post expansion)  championship game, alumni gathering, and President's polka fest (featuring Da Yoopers) be held annually at  Watersmeet (MI) Township High School - Go Nimrods!

[LGHistorian]

Since we are all speculating at this point and my point truly fits in...what is all the hubbub about the Monon Bell game being moved out of week 11 or removed from the schedule should the NCAC someday expand to 12 or 14 schools and split into East and West divisions?

The way I look at it Wabash and DPU will be in the same division which means you will play all of the teams in your division (5 or 6 games).  The NCAC has been accomodating in allowing the rivalry to play the last regular season game in spite of different conference affiliation.  Why would that change now.  So it will be played a week earlier...I say big deal.

Is the turmoil over having a big rivalry game (a very draining event to teams and fans alike) followed by the equally draining conference championship game?  Well folks, to a certain extent we have that already as Wabash has experienced here lately...the Monon Bell game followed one week later by the first playoff game.

Even in 1977, Wabash did not have a conference to worry about but did have to defeat DPU and then turn around and play the defending national champion, St. John's (Minn) on their home field the first week and the #1 seeded team in the playoffs the following week.

And just for the record, Wabash and DPU have not always played "the last game every fall." The last time it happened was in 1945 when it was played on 9/23/45, the 3rd of a 6 game schedule.

Would it be difficult to adjust to playing the game in the middle of the season...you bet.  Would the conference legislate one of the best small college rivalries out of existence once every four or five years?  You have got to be kidding me!!!  The college presidents are in control of the conference, yes, but I do give them credit for at least a little common sense about some of their decisions concerning athletics.