FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[Mr. Ypsi]

I'm sure this has been addressed.  Why is Witt a 5 seed, & DePauw is a 3?  Doesn't make since to me.  Sorry if this has been talked about, but I don't get a chance to visit here very often.

WAF

Regional rankings (locked in after Week Ten) were considered before SOS. Based on SOS alone, Witt would have been lucky to be 5th

Indeed, DePauw actually has the highest SOS of all the teams in the North Central bracket.  At least they didn't get the #1 seed --- that would really have set off the Whitewater folks 

That would have been funny to watch the UWW heads explode.  Makes me wish the NCAA would have done it.

Not to mention the Wally heads exploding, when they didn't even make the field!

DePauw as #3 (lost 47-0 to Wabash on 11-13), yet undefeated Witt (beat Wabash by 17 just a week earlier) as #5, is perhaps the most bizarre seeding of the tourney (despite the venom from Whitewater fans ).  My seeding for the 'north' would have been 1. UWW, 2. NCC, 3/4. (take your pick) Witt and ONU, 5/6 (take your pick) Trine and DePauw.  (Though my real preference to balance the brackets would be UWW #1 'west' and UST #2 'north'.  Or NCC/UST 'north' and UWW/Wheaton 'west' also works for me. )

[DadofBashWarrior..]

I wish Witt well this weekend...represent the NCAC the way it should be....You had a great season

[seventiesraider]

Mr Ypsi-Totally excluding Pacific Lutheran has got to stand as the most unexplainable 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Mr Ypsi-Totally excluding Pacific Lutheran has got to stand as the most unexplainable 

Perhaps, but who would you drop in place of them?  Coe?

[Ryan Tipps]

Mr Ypsi-Totally excluding Pacific Lutheran has got to stand as the most unexplainable 

Perhaps, but who would you drop in place of them?  Coe?

Yes....and no.

I mean, neither Coe, ONU, Bethel, Wheaton or Montclair State actually beat a playoff-bound team. Pac Lutheran at least had that on its resume.

I think the Lutes should have gotten in, but there isn't a team I just mentioned that I could cut with a clear conscience.

[aueagle]

OWU played the rotation game with QB's...Starting the season with 4.
Frosh transfer from Fla. Kerry Collins doesn't appear on the roster anymore...Strange, very strange.
It couldn't be that he only saw action in the first two games...

nike: The COW game, Bishop QB Walender got all but a couple of snaps...Espo came in for a cup of coffee and then sat. The only other QB was Frosh Brody Garr; and he saw action in the last game only with only one ball thrown.

I always think of Hiram as a PAC team...maybe it's a better fit for them.Randy Moore (1st yr HC) could be a good fit...7 yrs as "D" coordinator from Otterbein...They need to keep him and stop the revolving door on coaches.

On the Hiram staff is former OWU Bishop, Charles Johnson..Was at OWU from 1992-1996 and played only 3 yrs...Mmmm...all those yrs and played 3...what? All-NCAC DB in '95...Currently working on a Cleveland State degree..

The only thing that will save the current OWU staff is the tag-line..."Best Recruiting class in 10 years"...
Could be a hard sell considering the poor records and promises made over the years.

[skunks_sidekick]

I'm sure this has been addressed.  Why is Witt a 5 seed, & DePauw is a 3?  Doesn't make since to me.  Sorry if this has been talked about, but I don't get a chance to visit here very often.

WAF

Regional rankings (locked in after Week Ten) were considered before SOS. Based on SOS alone, Witt would have been lucky to be 5th

I believe there are a set of RRs done after the week 11 games that the rest of the world doesn't get to see for reasons passing understanding.  It would be absurd for the committee to use a set of rankings that don't include the entire season's worth of data to make tournament selections and seedings.

Damn Wally.....I have been reading your stuff on the play-off threads etc....  For a Wabash guy, you sure seem to make a lot of sense, and really are an unbiased, third party, voice of reason. 

When I speak to ER the next time, which hasn't been in a VERY long time (a couple of years), I will speak of the one called "Wally_Wabash".   

[Mr. Ypsi]

Mr Ypsi-Totally excluding Pacific Lutheran has got to stand as the most unexplainable 

Perhaps, but who would you drop in place of them?  Coe?

Yes....and no.

I mean, neither Coe, ONU, Bethel, Wheaton or Montclair State actually beat a playoff-bound team. Pac Lutheran at least had that on its resume.

I think the Lutes should have gotten in, but there isn't a team I just mentioned that I could cut with a clear conscience.

The problem is there are just too few pool C slots.  I'm all for inclusion, but I wonder if pool A should have a cut-off for losses: more than 3 and your conference loses its automatic bid for this year?

[nike]

I am sure everyone remembers the swagger the Bishop Defense had during the 2004 season with Cisco Clervoix.  That guy was a freak (Dwight Freeney type) and fun to watch.

That Bishop's defense was Hard-hitting and sound.   Let's hope this group of underclassman are motivated to stick with the program and get the swagger back.

Senior laden teams at all key positions win championships.  Witt a perfect example this year.

Do you think at places like OWU and Hiram, it is the players, coaches, or some indescribable combination of the two that can't win games and put together seasons like Witt and Wabash have year in and year out.  Wooster won one championship when Sutton was here, I believe, not any since then.  I would think that Wooster is an easier place to recruit for than a Wabash, just based on being in a densely populated area like northern Ohio, with a ton of good players in every direction.  The same for OWU.   But this time every year we are talking about Witt, Wabash and maybe one other school and next year.

[wally_wabash]

Damn Wally.....I have been reading your stuff on the play-off threads etc....  For a Wabash guy, you sure seem to make a lot of sense, and really are an unbiased, third party, voice of reason. 

When I speak to ER the next time, which hasn't been in a VERY long time (a couple of years), I will speak of the one called "Wally_Wabash".   

Thanks (I think).  Being a fan of a particular team shouldn't preclude one from talking the sport in general in a sane manner.  Or so I'd like to believe.   

[aueagle]

...and starting in 2012 we will be talking about Witt, Wabash & DePauw...
I think, nike, it's a combination of many factors of what makes a Wabash (in the middle of no-where) and a OWU (next door to a large metro area) into a winning program. And in a word, I say it's COMMITMENT from the top - down. The LG's & Witt have built a tradition of winning and the alumni have a big hand in keeping that engine going. With the Tigers starting in the NCAC...the "other" schools will just keep looking up at the W's and the Black n Gold.......

[wabco]

AU Eagle ... shame.

"In the middle of nowhere?"

C-ville? ... the Athens of the midwest?

FDormer home of "Tommies" ... till it burned down?

The epicenter of Montrgomery County?

The draw is that it is:  Home of the Little Giants !!!

[nike]

AU Eagle ... shame.

"In the middle of nowhere?"

C-ville? ... the Athens of the midwest?

FDormer home of "Tommies" ... till it burned down?

The epicenter of Montrgomery County?

The draw is that it is:  Home of the Little Giants !!!

At what point did the draw become "Home of the Little Giants"?
My playing days were always on sub .500 teams, yet some of the greatest of times for our family were watching a couple of my kids playing on really good teams in high school and college.  My wife still has the painted cow bells.  The teams had the support of the communities,  but more than that, they had great coaches who won and continue to win.
So I am guessing that someone started the winning tradition at Wabash.   I know a couple guys who played for Witt thirty some years ago when Witt was winning national championships. And they are still a top notch program.  Look at Mt. Union.  Was the Mount winning championships before Kehres?   
Watched a little of Akron U last night, so I will not complain at all about the Scots under Coach S, at least not until next season.   

[BayernFan]

I think Coach Navarro started righting the ship at Wabash in the mid 70s.  Then Stan Parrish (current Ball State HC) came on board and recruited Pete Metzelaars.  After 5 years, Wabash was 42-3-1 and on its way.

Joining the NCAC really helped in the mid 90s.  Wabash just seemed to make decisions like that that were well timed and paid off.   I count going from Greg Carlson to CC as one of those.  Easy to judge in hindsight, I know.

The fact is, since my frosh year in 1978 Wabash has had just ONE losing season (1990).   Carlson was no slouch, but when he couldnt beat DPU five years running that committment from the top came down hard on him.    Committment from the top has to do that sometimes..... make very difficult decisions that may not be very popular.  Despite GC having winning seasons year in and year out you cant lose consistently to your rival.   I look at rivalry game as canaries in a coal mine.  If you are dying in those, you have to make a change.  And change Wabash did.  CC, the internet, the ESPNization of college football and Wabash is where it is now.

[02 Warhawk]

Article about Witt getting ready this weekend.