FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[ExTartanPlayer]

I still don't think I would give him CotY though.  Not if there is a coach out there who played two 9-1 teams, on the road, and is responsible for those "1s" on the record.  I know that performance vs. expectation is a big part of that award, but come on.  You know who else in the nation will have two wins against 9-win teams in the regular season?  Nobody is the right answer.   

Philosophically, I agree with you wally.  Very often it seems that COY is awarded to an overachiever, ignoring the fine work that keeps a top-notch program at the top.

I do think it's a discussion worth having if Kenyon manages to finish 7-3.  I understand that their share of a possible four-way tie for the conference title would be the softest possible share because they didn't play two of the teams and lost by three scores to the third in the quadrangle...but I still think it MIGHT be worth opening the discussion if they get there.  Certainly, Wabash staff deserves credit for Wabash's fine season, as does the Witt staff for their potential 9-1 season and OWU's staff for THEIR potential 9-1 season, especially considering that Wabash held it together after an ugly loss to beat those two potential 9-1 teams.  But are we really sure that the Wabash staff did the "best" job of the whole group if that's the final tally?  I'm not certain.

Damn awards.  So confusing.

[DPU3619]

Owen said that less alums may travel to the game because the game is now easier to access online.

I openly admit I'm one that probably won't go this year.  1) I don't think I get a great return on investment.  2) More of my friends and fellow alums attend the Indy viewing party (where I can drink as much as I want and it's not 30 degree) than actually go to the game anymore. 

I certainly think the state of the program has more to do with the attendance numbers than anything else.  Just win, baby.  That will fix that problem right up for you.

[BashBacker#16]

Wes,

I just posted this on the General Discussion Board - Monon Bell thread but DePauw had 401 people at the DPU/Kenyon game...  401!!!!  Holy cow that is crazy.

[Li'l Giant]

Owen said that less alums may travel to the game because the game is now easier to access online.

I openly admit I'm one that probably won't go this year.  1) I don't think I get a great return on investment.  2) More of my friends and fellow alums attend the Indy viewing party (where I can drink as much as I want and it's not 30 degree) than actually go to the game anymore. 

I certainly think the state of the program has more to do with the attendance numbers than anything else.  Just win, baby.  That will fix that problem right up for you.

It's viewable online? Had no idea.

The part about 2010's allotment tells the story. They were 9-0 and had no problem selling tickets. Like Wes says, winning cures that all.

[sigma one]

According to the DPU AD, DePauw students might not know that they have to buy tickets to the game.  Let me repeat:  DePauw students might not know that they have to buy tickets to the game.  I thought we were living in an electronic age, one in which information is shared freely and immediately.  Oh, well. How about DPU distributing tickets to them since there are so many tickets remaining.  That at least might get the new tigers some fan support.  Oh, I forgot; not as much revenue generated.  Well, it won't be generated anyway.  I'd wait until Thursday, announce that all DPU students get a free ticket (maybe 2, and try to encourage some support.  I'll bet Wabash would say they can go ahead and do that to put some fannies in their seats for a national TV audience.
   

[DPU3619]

Wes,

I just posted this on the General Discussion Board - Monon Bell thread but DePauw had 401 people at the DPU/Kenyon game...  401!!!!  Holy cow that is crazy.

Fall break. It's always been that way. That's not a shock to me.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Wes,

I just posted this on the General Discussion Board - Monon Bell thread but DePauw had 401 people at the DPU/Kenyon game...  401!!!!  Holy cow that is crazy.

Fall break. It's always been that way. That's not a shock to me.

Wes, Alma (Alma!) was also on fall break, but still had more than twice that many.  With the possible exception of insanely bad weather, there is NO excuse for a football 'crowd' of 401.

[wabco]

Got to think .,.. if you were trying to ruin enthusiasm for your football team ... you couldn't come up with a better plan than 5 coaches in 9 years, a couple of coaches verses school disputes, lots of intrigues with the educational envirrnment equyivilent of "no comment".  Kill off a coach the second game of the season after gettoing hjanded your lunch (even if the timing is not planned).  Mix that against ... your arch rival has kicked your but the last two years (one of which you were touted to have the best team of the centiury).  And nbow that same arch rival is poised - at its home ground - to do it again.

Man ... that takes loyalty to show and support.  I would like to say, Wabash would ... but I cannot conjure up a scenario where Wabash Admin would have been tollerated by alums to run that haywire ... so while I say Wabash would show ... there just is no model ... We did have some lean years 3-7 and the like ... where WE DID SHOW AT DEPAUW ... (and my recollection is that we won ... terrible snow and all ... Kennedy running back a kickoff for a TD). 

I would encourage you Dannies ... show up!  Your team needs you now more than ever.  Watch in person in the 60 degree and sunny (that is the weather forcast) verses the protected and controlled confines of a Danny cave.

It is much harder to recruit and come back/build back when you don't have alum fan support than when you do.  Don't be fair weather ... show and root for every first down.  Root for every good tackle.  I recall during some Wabash lean years (yes we had a few ... why do you think the wins and losses are so even) ... smuggling in some warming juice and drinking to celebrate self proclaimed "good play !".

Understand ... we intend to kick your be-hind and will root loudly for each and every kick.  So ... get your S*** together and buy a ticket and come out and root back.  That is what our rivalry is all about.  Not watching indoors ... but a tailgate and outdoors.  AND ... by the way ... unlike DePauw ... we give you an "unsupervised" tailgate area, don't charge you to park in it, and provide a no hassel way to enter the stadium and gather for your team.

So ... take your 50+ point beating.  Your Administration worked very hard to earn every point of it.  My sense is that the Wabash side probably will focus more on themselves having fun this year.  Even if you are a hated brother ... you are a brother.  Just my read after watching (and enjoying) too darn many of these games.

[Pat Coleman]

Wes,

I just posted this on the General Discussion Board - Monon Bell thread but DePauw had 401 people at the DPU/Kenyon game...  401!!!!  Holy cow that is crazy.

Fall break. It's always been that way. That's not a shock to me.

Wes, Alma (Alma!) was also on fall break, but still had reported more than twice that many.  With the possible exception of insanely bad weather, there is NO excuse for a football 'crowd' of 401.

Fixed. (Unless you went to the game, in which case I apologize.)

[DPU3619]

This isn't the first time we've had this talk. Sure, I wish the student body cared more about football. It isn't exactly filled up even when the team is good. Pair that up with a bad team and that's what happens. That campus is a ghost town on Fall Break.

DePauw doesn't draw well in a lot of sports. It's just the way it is. I guess it's a culture thing and that's disappointing. I'll be interested to see what DePauw's crowd looks like next Saturday. It's expect it to still be relatively full despite that story BB posted, but we'll see.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Wes,

I just posted this on the General Discussion Board - Monon Bell thread but DePauw had 401 people at the DPU/Kenyon game...  401!!!!  Holy cow that is crazy.

Fall break. It's always been that way. That's not a shock to me.

Wes, Alma (Alma!) was also on fall break, but still had reported more than twice that many.  With the possible exception of insanely bad weather, there is NO excuse for a football 'crowd' of 401.

Fixed. (Unless you went to the game, in which case I apologize.)

I wasn't there, but apparently Zach (sflzman) was, and he was quite embarassed that they 'only' had 908.  I doubt he counted them, but I'm sure he would know the difference between 908 and 401.

(Though when I was there for the IWU game last season, the student supposedly taking tickets just ignored people as they strolled by, so I have my doubts that they take any exact counts of the crowd. )

[cave2bens]

While all debate the innate fear of Dannie, backside splinters in Crawfordsville next weekend (or lack thereof), here's a piece of DI levity from Wojo at the Detroit News... pretty funny!

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121102/OPINION03/211020338/

[sigma one]

Next week: Monon Bell.  Saturday: Oberlin.  Some numbers to think about.  Witjes leads the conference in receiving.  Eaton leads almost everything in sacks.  The team leads the conference in defense against the rush.  Last week Oberlin started 6 seniors on offense and 7 on defense, including 3 DBs.  Only one freshman starter, the fullback, and two sophomores, the offensive tackles
     No one has scored more than 30 points on Oberlin this season.  In their wins (OK, they were Earlham, Denison, and Hiram) they've given up a total of 9 points.  They took CWR into overtime.  They held Sicre of CWR to 43 yards (17 carries) and Fioroni on Denison to 49 yards (18 carries).  But Williams of Kenyon got 117 (18 carries) on them.  I'm pretty impressed with them even though they are 3-5.  That small roster must come into play v. strong teams.  I'd take a goodly number of those starters on almost any team. 
     Wally, Smed, others any thoughts on the game, possible score, etc?  Let's get this one, stay healthy, and, move on. 
       

[waf56]

Good morning guys, I have really appreciated reading all your thoughts and insights so far this season and hopefully I can add something useful! Oberlin is a decent team with a bad record. One important thing to to point out is that the quality of their field, which is not good. Not to take anything away from the Yeoman, but in the past four years we have struggled on the road and dominated them at home. Though this may all be chalked up to a long trip and everything else that comes with a road game, in both 2009 and 2011 a rainy week turned their field into soup. In this environment both our speed and strength in the trenches were nearly neutralized. In 2009 the field dried up in the 2nd half and it showed on the scoreboard. Playing on a great field in decent weather, I do not think Oberlin has a chance. I would not be surprised to see Wabash win by 30+.

[wally_wabash]

Next week: Monon Bell.  Saturday: Oberlin.  Some numbers to think about.  Witjes leads the conference in receiving.  Eaton leads almost everything in sacks.  The team leads the conference in defense against the rush.  Last week Oberlin started 6 seniors on offense and 7 on defense, including 3 DBs.  Only one freshman starter, the fullback, and two sophomores, the offensive tackles
     No one has scored more than 30 points on Oberlin this season.  In their wins (OK, they were Earlham, Denison, and Hiram) they've given up a total of 9 points.  They took CWR into overtime.  They held Sicre of CWR to 43 yards (17 carries) and Fioroni on Denison to 49 yards (18 carries).  But Williams of Kenyon got 117 (18 carries) on them.  I'm pretty impressed with them even though they are 3-5.  That small roster must come into play v. strong teams.  I'd take a goodly number of those starters on almost any team. 
     Wally, Smed, others any thoughts on the game, possible score, etc?  Let's get this one, stay healthy, and, move on. 
       

Spot on regarding Oberlin's quality over quantity. I think Oberlin's record could have been much better this year had Mandel not been out of action for a few weeks.

As for today, I think Wabash has their eyes on the prize and we shouldn't see a repeat of the comeback from last years game in Oberlin. I'm feeling something like 34-10. This gross freezing rain doesn't help at all.