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[cave2bens]

Anyone who kas 362 karma needs to live a little! Sheesh! Ruffle some feathers every now and then...

It used to be over 500 before I hazarded being the token liberal on the Politics board!

Apparently I ruffled some feathers.

"**it Happens" - Shades of wandering over to the NCAC basketball board without Scottish lineage and daring to question the clan chieftan's assessment. 

Late evening excitement - a selectively perceived faux pas morphs into mea culpa(s) - maybe we're back on the politics board? 

The_Bishop, knowingly or not, served up a pitch (with a dose of finality - As You Were? Really?) in a rather volatile environment and received a sans ticker tape reaction.  "Snarky," IMO, would be to politely inquire if Mr. Espinosa was dejected when he couldn't get in that one extra completion at Selby against Wabash?

As to rooting for DePauw, T_B?  Hey, it's a free country (currently, anyway), and the Dannies may appreciate an extra fan or two according to their press. LOL (sorry, no emoticons in edit mode...) 

[GRIZ_BACKER]

Ypsi,

I think that someone who has a record broken gets a 'snark pass' when that record is broken, as long as it's not mean-spirited. I took it as he was having a little fun with the neo-run-and-shoot Bishops.

Give the poor guy a break. Third place and no playoffs has probably exacerbated the situation. 

[sigma one]

He's a big boy and can take it as well as dish it out.  So ya' know a Wabash QB named . . .was 273/394, 29TDs, 5 INTs his senior season.  His completion percentage that year was .693, and percentage for his caareer was .654.  His senior year he completed 17 straight in a PlayOff game v. Albion, and 19/20 v. Denison. They were not all catch and throw and three-step drops (no offense to the fine QBs who operate in that system; the game has changed).  He holds the W record for total offense in a season (other QBs at W in the lst decade or so Knott, Huff, Hudson, Belton).
     He was an AlllAm QB who had the stones to take on Wabash in a short film he wrote, produced, directed, and shot during his senior year.   The first showing of that film filled an auditorium on campus  I was present at that showing and around campus during his years.  He was respected, sometimes dis-, and always telling it as he saw it (and knew how to be ironic, satiric, and sarcastic).  He knew how then, and knows how now, to be controversial--and playful. 
     I don't write this either to embarrass him or to praise him.  He is what he is.
     Now, about the Bell Game . . .

[nike]

So if Witt, Kenyon and OWU all win Saturday, who gets the AQ?  And it has been suggested that the NCAC might get a second team in.  Was that only if the second team was Wabash?
Oberlin 1  1//2 hours away, so maybe can talk one of my sons into going.  Could be a heck of a game.  Was at Oberlin campus a while ago. Did not see the stadium. Was not looking for it, but did not see it anywhere on campus where I was. 

[wally_wabash]

So if Witt, Kenyon and OWU all win Saturday, who gets the AQ? 

It's Wittenberg.

And it has been suggested that the NCAC might get a second team in.  Was that only if the second team was Wabash?

Wabash with one loss would have been a lock for a Pool C bid.  That's all crumpled up and tossed in the trash now.  Wabash isn't dead yet, but they are on life support and probably will need some help in Week 11 to sneak into the field.  Week 11 help does happen, so keep hope alive.  We'll know more on Wednesday when the regional rankings are released. 

Ohio Wesleyan is now very much in the playoff conversation.  Again, we'll see how the rankings shake out on Wednesday. 

[Li'l Giant]

"**it Happens" - Shades of wandering over to the NCAC basketball board without Scottish lineage and daring to question the clan chieftan's assessment.

Truth. +k

[smedindy]

On reflection: Wabash may have played poorly, but Witjes showed me a lot with that pass and especially that run after he hauled in that screen pass. If not for my Wabash partisan hat, I would definitely say those two plays were things of beauty.

[nike]

So now the question is:
With Oberlin appearing healthy and at full strength, can they possibly pull off another one and upset Witt?  Not a rhetorical question?  Wabash folks, if they play as well as they did against you, will they beat Witt?

[wally_wabash]

So now the question is:
With Oberlin appearing healthy and at full strength, can they possibly pull off another one and upset Witt?  Not a rhetorical question?  Wabash folks, if they play as well as they did against you, will they beat Witt?

If Oberlin hits three homeruns and puts 31 on the board against Witt, they'll have a good chance to win.  If Witt limits the big plays and don't shoot themselves in the face on offense, then I think Witt wins by a wide margin.  Witt is going to be laser-focused here.  Win and they're in.  I have a hard time seeing Witt being denied in this game, but I said the same thing last week.  Close your eyes for one second and this Oberlin group can beat you. 

[Pat Coleman]

So if Witt, Kenyon and OWU all win Saturday, who gets the AQ? 

It's Wittenberg.

Can you explain how you came to that conclusion, just for the record?

[wally_wabash]

So if Witt, Kenyon and OWU all win Saturday, who gets the AQ? 

It's Wittenberg.

Can you explain how you came to that conclusion, just for the record?

Sure thing.  Here are the tiebreaks:

1- H2H
2- Results vs. other NCAC opponents in descending order (I believe this has to be amongst common opponents)
3- Fewest conference away losses
4- Highest preseason power ranking
5- Team with the longest conference winning streak

We're hypothesizing a Witt/OWU/Kenyon 6-1 tie, which assumes everybody wins this coming Saturday.  Through the tiebreak process we go. 

1- Witt played neither Kenyon or OWU so there is not a h2h here.  I really think they should add up the results amongst these teams and choose a winner (OWU 1-0, Witt 0-0, Kenyon 0-1), but we learned last week that they don't do that.  If everybody in the tie didn't play everybody, then they skip this and move on. 

2- Keeping in mind that we can only compare results with other NCAC teams that all three teams share in common, we remain at a standstill.  Witt and OWU lost their game to Wabash, but Kenyon didn't play Wabash.  Kenyon lost their game to OWU, but Witt didn't play OWU and obviously OWU didn't play OWU.  Everybody else that is common to all three will have lost to all three, so the tie remains unbroken. 

3- Fewest conference away losses...Kenyon lost on the road to OWU.  OWU and Witt are perfect in league play on the road.  Kenyon is eliminated. 

So we go back to the top of the tiebreak list with OWU and Witt. 

1- No H2H here.  Still tied. 
2- Both teams lost to Wabash and both teams will have won against all other common opponents so the tie remains. 
3- Both teams have zero conference away losses.  Still tied. 
4- Witt will have a higher preseason power ranking than OWU will.  I don't know which two years factor into the power ranking, but you can pick any two year period over the last decade and Witt will have had a better record than OWU. 

Witt also has a longer conference win streak if it comes to that. 

So unless I've screwed this up or am interpreting the rules differently than the league office (entirely possible), Wittenberg should win the league's AQ if they beat Oberlin on Saturday. 

[short]

So I was looking at the All-NCAC team form last and the stats from this year and I put together an All-NCAC team.  This is how I see the all-ncac team turning out.
QB- close race here with Espinosa and Belton but I think it will go to Espinso
RB- Fioroni is a lock
RB- Williams or Holmes... I said Williams. He is the go to man and the Championship team.
WR- Witjes is a STUD! He is a Lock.
WR- Wow, some good players in this group! Cogney and Mogilnicki of OWU, Laird and Hildabrand of Wabash, Layer of Deniso but I think it will go to Cunningham of Witt.
TE- ? Zumdick of Witt? Bosh of Wabash? I really don't know
OL- Benson Oberlin
OL- Kitley Wabash
OL- Taylor Alleheny
OL- Brackett Kenyon
OL- Owen Witt

DL- Eaton Oberlin
DL- Huddleston OWU
DL- Valentine OWU
DL- Clegg Wabash
LB- Sillivan Kenyon
LB- Scola Wabash
LB- Akinribade Wabash
LB- Sheetz OWU
LB- Devlin Allegheny
DB- Hartford Allegheny
DB- A. Hodges
DB- H. Hodges
DB- Kalgren Oberlin

K- Mackenzie OWU
P- Obery Wooster
RS- Emigh Allegheny

I know I have 5 LB's but who is the one that you leave off the list? All are Studs!

[ncc_fan]

So if Witt, Kenyon and OWU all win Saturday, who gets the AQ? 

It's Wittenberg.

Can you explain how you came to that conclusion, just for the record?

Sure thing.  Here are the tiebreaks:

1- H2H
2- Results vs. other NCAC opponents in descending order (I believe this has to be amongst common opponents)
3- Fewest conference away losses
4- Highest preseason power ranking
5- Team with the longest conference winning streak

Who came up with the crazy idea of using a PREseason ranking to pick the NCAC AQ? 

I prefer the CCIW's use of point differential among tied teams as criterion #3, if for no other reason that it produced some excitement & drama during the final minutes of what was otherwise a not-so-close Wheaton/NCC game.

[wally_wabash]

So if Witt, Kenyon and OWU all win Saturday, who gets the AQ? 

It's Wittenberg.

Can you explain how you came to that conclusion, just for the record?

Sure thing.  Here are the tiebreaks:

1- H2H
2- Results vs. other NCAC opponents in descending order (I believe this has to be amongst common opponents)
3- Fewest conference away losses
4- Highest preseason power ranking
5- Team with the longest conference winning streak

Who came up with the crazy idea of using a PREseason ranking to pick the NCAC AQ? 

I prefer the CCIW's use of point differential among tied teams as criterion #3, if for no other reason that it produced some excitement & drama during the final minutes of what was otherwise a not-so-close Wheaton/NCC game.

Yeah, it's screwy.  Especially when you consider that the "power ranking" can be including games as much as four years old.  Games played four years ago shouldn't affect tiebreaks today. 

I think what I've learned as I see more and more of these three way tiebreaks scenarios being talked about on these boards is that there really isn't a great way to break a tie when there isn't a clear h2h winner.  I don't like the power ranking tiebreak here in the NCAC.  I don't like the CCIW MOV tiebreak either (don't like things that encourage teams to run up the score).  I don't like drawing a name out of a hat like they've done in the UMAC.  But as much as we can point to all of those tiebreaks and say "hey, that's not right!", I don't think anybody has a better solution.  I certainly don't. 

[02 Warhawk]

So is this where we go to mourn about our team playing themselves out of the playoffs? Trust me, I feel your pain....

At least Wabash and Whitewater will always have that 2007 season. 

Next year we'll be back at it!