FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[seinfeld]

Things get a little more interesting in Woosterland, as the local paper weighs in on the Schmitz situation, and it includes quotes from two former players:

http://www.the-daily-record.com/local%20sports/2012/12/11/scots-football-team-needs-jolt

[old wabash]

Things get a little more interesting in Woosterland, as the local paper weighs in on the Schmitz situation, and it includes quotes from two former players:

http://www.the-daily-record.com/local%20sports/2012/12/11/scots-football-team-needs-jolt

are you doing research for the newspaper? or does the writer read these conversations?
he sounds like you seinfeld!!
only just slightly more likely to blame whole coaching staff!

[ScotsFan]

are you doing research for the newspaper? or does the writer read these conversations?
he sounds like you seinfeld!!
only just slightly more likely to blame whole coaching staff!

LOL!  Wouldn't surprise me that the Daily Mistake writers get information from this site.

One quote stood out to me from that article:

He (Schmitz) deserves credit for the school's first outright conference title in 70 years.

Does he?  I think it is telling that if you take away the 3 years he had Sutton running the show for the Scots his record is barely treading water above .500.  And if his losing trend continues, it won't be long until his OVERALL record dips below .500.  Not only did he ride Sutton's coat tails, but he also rode Barnes coat tails for the first few years.  Barnes had the COW program rolling WITHOUT a dynamic player like Sutton.  And we have see the success that Barnes infused into this football program slowly deteriorate year after year culminating in 2-8 with two wins over winless teams. 

There was mention in the article about his last class being the his largest recruiting class since 2007.  Question is, how many of those 47 freshmen will still be on the team 3 years from now?  I see a TON of attrition on Wooster's roster in recent years and to me, that is a glaring red flag directed at the head coach and his staff!

As nice and fun as it was to get to watch Tony Sutton in a Wooster uniform for those 3 years, his coming to Wooster may have been the worst thing that could have happened to the program because it made Schmitz look like a better coach than he actually was.  Personally, I think we've seen enough to know that Schmitz isn't the man to lead the Scots back to prominence in the NCAC.  Hell, Gene Chizik was fired just 2 years after he led Auburn to a National Championship?!  Oh, he had a pretty special player leading his team that made him look like a better coach than he actually was as well.  Difference is, Auburn was quick to pick up on this while Wooster doesn't seem to want to admit it.

[ohiofan1954]

a lot of people are mentioning michgan and 1969. Here is something else about that year of michigan. I believe that is the year that michigan started the tradition of giving slippery rock scores at the game every week and helped make the rock a household name. It was after michigan started the tradition it was picked up on scoreboard shows. It might have been before but it was michigan that started the tradition(unlike a certain school in this state that takes other schools traditions and claims them as there own). I go to michigan twice a year for football games(northwestern and Iowa this year, darn the northwestern game was good) and it is a favorite moment when the slippery rock score is announced. Michigan played the rock in basketball this year the night before the northwestern game.  I was also there when slippery rock coaches and players were introduced during a game. Michigan has gone a long way to help the exposure of small college athletics over the  years.

[wally_wabash]

With the amount of material clearly sourced from this forum and not cited, Mr. Vogel may have a career at the worldwide leader on the horizon.  They're down with that kind of shenanigans over there. 

The one thing I learned from that piece that I didn't realize before is that the HC calls his own plays.  Not sure anybody is misusing offensive talent more than Wooster has been in the last few years.  Getting a dedicated OC in there might help a lot.  Definitely couldn't hurt. 

[formerd3db]

a lot of people are mentioning michgan and 1969. Here is something else about that year of michigan. I believe that is the year that michigan started the tradition of giving slippery rock scores at the game every week and helped make the rock a household name. It was after michigan started the tradition it was picked up on scoreboard shows. It might have been before but it was michigan that started the tradition(unlike a certain school in this state that takes other schools traditions and claims them as there own). I go to michigan twice a year for football games(northwestern and Iowa this year, darn the northwestern game was good) and it is a favorite moment when the slippery rock score is announced. Michigan played the rock in basketball this year the night before the northwestern game.  I was also there when slippery rock coaches and players were introduced during a game. Michigan has gone a long way to help the exposure of small college athletics over the  years.

To add to all that you relate above, recall that Michigan used to have what they called "Band Day" in which any high school band in the state would come to one of the early home games.  Of course, in a few short years, Michigan fans started to overfill the stadium on a regular basis every year at every home game i.e. capacity crowds as Michigan started getting back to their winning ways i.e. capacity crowds.  Even back then the university saw they needed to bring in the big $ to sustain a big-time program as the era of big $/big time college football really started to expand, so when the huge crowds started to happen again, then the university (read the late Don C, U of Michigan's AD) had to discontinue "Band Day" because they wanted to bring in more $.

When they did that, then at least for awhile, they continued "Band Day" on an "away" date i.e. when Michigan played an early non-conference "away" game.  One year -and without checking my books/files - I believe it may have been that first year and the year you are talking about, they allowed Slippery Rock and Shippensburg State (both DII schools in Pennsylvania - actually then just College Division before the 3 divisions were made in 1973) to play a game in Michigan Stadium, with "The Rock" being the home team.  That had a capacity or near capacity crowd - in part, thanks to the high school bands and that is what helped fuel the Slippery Rock scores being announced.  A great story and a great idea/innovation.

Also, recall in a similar vein, just a few years ago this recent decade, Michigan Tech played Grand Valley in Eastern Michigan University's Rynearson Stadium for the GLIAC Championship and about 52,000 people attended, a DII record for attendance I believe.   

[seinfeld]

Maybe the Wooster President can take some of his massive salary and bonus and sink it into hiring a new football coach and giving out better financial aid.

http://www.ohio.com/news/local/college-of-wooster-president-among-state-s-highest-paid-1.356935

[ohiofan1954]

interesting about the game at eastern If 52000 came for that game that is about 50000 more then come for a eastern game, half of those being visitors. The last score that is given when scores are announced at the big house is always the slippery rock score and it always gets the biggest cheers(with maybe the exception if msu is getting beat). Oh Ohio still has band day as well as Bowling Green and it is great to see.

[formerd3db]

interesting about the game at eastern If 52000 came for that game that is about 50000 more then come for a eastern game, half of those being visitors. The last score that is given when scores are announced at the big house is always the slippery rock score and it always gets the biggest cheers(with maybe the exception if msu is getting beat). Oh Ohio still has band day as well as Bowling Green and it is great to see.

Yes, you are right.  You can talk with Mr. Ypsi about Eastern Michigan football (he is the expert!), although we've had some serious discussions about that (Eastern Michigan football and the MAC many times here on the board).  In fact, Eastern had only 1,350 in attendance for their last game and we had 3,500 for the Hope@Albion game - not a good sign for Eastern.  Anyway, indeed, it is great to see that Ohio and Bowling Green still have those band days.  I think it is a thrill for all involved, even the other spectators.  BTW, I don't think Slippery Rock did as well this year in their league.  Indiana (PA) and the other school (Bloomsburg State?) from that conference got into the NCAA Div II playoffs, however, were beaten in the first couple of rounds as I recall.

[Mr. Ypsi]

The alleged crowd of 52,000 at EMU must have been counted by the same folks who got caught inflating EMU attendance by 100-200% in order to avoid EMU losing 1-A status for lack of attendance!  Rynearson has a capacity of 30,200!

The largest crowd I've ever personally witnessed there was in the Charlie Batch days - it was probably still <5,000.

[formerd3db]

The alleged crowd of 52,000 at EMU must have been counted by the same folks who got caught inflating EMU attendance by 100-200% in order to avoid EMU losing 1-A status for lack of attendance!  Rynearson has a capacity of 30,200!

The largest crowd I've ever personally witnessed there was in the Charlie Batch days - it was probably still <5,000.

Oops!  Mr. Ypsi and davepi2 - what an idiot I am!  I blew the story on that one - the crowd was indeed, 52,000+ that day for Michigan Tech/Grand Valley, but it was at U of Michigan Stadium, and that very same day as I recall, Eastern Michigan was playing Central Michigan at Rynearson Stadium and their attendance was about 25,000 (so you are right Mr. Ypsi .  The point of the story was that those DII schools had a huge crowd and, also, still outdrew EMU.  My apologies for the botched details about the location of the game.  Guess I'd better check my facts before posting.

[Mr. Ypsi]

No harm, no foul, formerd3db!

The geniuses at EMU expanded Rynearson from 15,000 to 22,000 for the Detroit Wheels - the league soon went belly-up.  Expanding from 22,000 to 30,000 was apparently by those who watched Field of Dreams too many times - "If you build it, they will come."  For EMU football, they were wrong!

I have a love/hate relationship with EMU.  I mostly loved my 30+ years teaching there (though I had mostly contempt for the 'suits', even before it soured totally during my attempts - eventually successful - to unionize the lecturers (an EIGHT year process, as the administration's hired guns put up lie after lie to the MERC - they so thoroughly alienated the lecturers that when we finally got a vote, the union won 91 to 2!  That is believed to be the most lopsided unionization vote in American history!  If the administration had allowd an immediate vote when we first petitioned, we probably would have lost.).  My exit from EMU was extremely disconcerting and painful; a number of long-time friendships were broken.  I've rarely returned.

And NCAC posters - my apologies for taking over your board.  (On the other hand, you weren't making much use of it!

[smedindy]

Well, we COULD have been discussing the DPU coaching situation and the Lynn Hoppes ESPN-style article about Wooster's coach.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Well, we COULD have been discussing the DPU coaching situation and the Lynn Hoppes ESPN-style article about Wooster's coach.

COULD have, but DID you?

And those posts could have still squeezed in somehow  between the EMU posts.

[ohiofan1954]

a couple of last points(I hope) on the subject.  First I have heard rumors that the emu basketball team hosted and beat purdue and there was a tiny crowd for that game also. I will have too check the details out but I believe that is what I read on bobcatattack.com message boards. Secondy the stadium at emu is a whole lot nicer then ohio's. That place needs a facelift bad. It is now the worst d1 stadium in ohio(I have been to them all, Akron by far is the best). It isn't as bad as the rubber bowl(nothing will ever be that bad) but it gives welcome stadium  a go. The worst thing is you walk through the concourse and you can see re-steel showing in the concrete. I try to avoid walking under those spots. It also could use a good paint job which I don't think it has had in 20 years by looking at it. Oh correct me if I am wrong ypsi but I am guessing those are grads buying up tickets in order to get the 15000 average once every three years? Kent State does the same, at least untill this year.