FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[Schwami]

Quick question--is this the farthest Wabash has gotten in the playoffs? Can't remember if they have ever gotten to the next round.

Nope.  In the AQ era Wabash has been to the quarterfinals in 2002, 2007, and 2011.  Back in the day, Wabash was the national runner up in 1977.

So of all the current NCAC teams, only Witt has won a national championship?

Allegheny won in 1990.  That is the most recent one for the NCAC.

[badgerwarhawk]

Sorry for being so late.  Congrats on the season Wabash and good fortune in the future.  Had a chance to meet Mr Miller the owner of that sweet motorhome you dudes use to tailgate.  Very nice guy, very cool motorhome.  It's welcomed at the Perk whenever. 

[bashgiant]

Using that same reasoning, simply looking at a box score in such a game can also cause one to under-estimate UW-W.  For example, "The River Falls Solution" posted by some other random poster was based purely on selective numbers.    It completely ignored some of the most important factors of winning any college football game. If one uses numbers, it is important to interpret them correctly or they will lead you down a horribly wrong path.   While the "eye test" can be somewhat misleading, using statistics incorrectly can leave one looking clueless.

Um. I stand 100% by that post. It describes, very specifically, the way to beat Whitewater -- hold them under 150 yards rushing, run and pass for over 150 yourself. And cause some turnovers. That'll be the stat-line of a team that beats them. The post didn't completely ignore anything. It was a more relevant contribution to the game than anything you offered and will stand as--to me--absolutely the narrative to pay attention to as the game(s) unfold(s) this week, next, and--if you're lucky--the one after that.

But let's not stop there.

I think all of you guys with your howdy-good-neighbor-cum-lunatic-grade-chest-pounding and all the bull**** ways, both big and small, you scavenge for things to either label "adorable" or take issue with -- I just think you suck. You haven't made a single point in a week that I couldn't find on the back of a how-to-be-a-fan paperback. You're a good team away from being utter trolls. So congrats -- you know next to nothing, offer next to nothing, but the team you follow is pretty damn good. Enjoy your postseason.

+1k! Thank you for telling it like it is.
WAF!
GO BASH!

[AlleghenyAlum]

Quick question--is this the farthest Wabash has gotten in the playoffs? Can't remember if they have ever gotten to the next round.

Nope.  In the AQ era Wabash has been to the quarterfinals in 2002, 2007, and 2011.  Back in the day, Wabash was the national runner up in 1977.

So of all the current NCAC teams, only Witt has won a national championship?

Allegheny won in 1990.  That is the most recent one for the NCAC.

If only we could go back in time....

[02 Warhawk]

Using that same reasoning, simply looking at a box score in such a game can also cause one to under-estimate UW-W.  For example, "The River Falls Solution" posted by some other random poster was based purely on selective numbers.    It completely ignored some of the most important factors of winning any college football game. If one uses numbers, it is important to interpret them correctly or they will lead you down a horribly wrong path.   While the "eye test" can be somewhat misleading, using statistics incorrectly can leave one looking clueless.

Um. I stand 100% by that post. It describes, very specifically, the way to beat Whitewater -- hold them under 150 yards rushing, run and pass for over 150 yourself. And cause some turnovers. That'll be the stat-line of a team that beats them. The post didn't completely ignore anything. It was a more relevant contribution to the game than anything you offered and will stand as--to me--absolutely the narrative to pay attention to as the game(s) unfold(s) this week, next, and--if you're lucky--the one after that.

I think all of you guys with your howdy-good-neighbor-cum-lunatic-grade-chest-pounding and all the bull**** ways, both big and small, you scavenge for things to either label "adorable" or take issue with -- I just think you suck. You haven't made a single point in a week that I couldn't find on the back of a how-to-be-a-fan paperback. You're a good team away from being utter trolls. So congrats -- you know next to nothing, offer next to nothing, but the team you follow is pretty damn good. Enjoy your postseason.

Riveting stuff. This blueprint to beat UWW can be applied to every other football game ever played. Not sure why it's "specific" to Whitewater.

Nothing ground breaking here, especially coming from someone slinging mud and claiming others "offer next to nothing".

[HScoach]

Quick question--is this the farthest Wabash has gotten in the playoffs? Can't remember if they have ever gotten to the next round.

Nope.  In the AQ era Wabash has been to the quarterfinals in 2002, 2007, and 2011.  Back in the day, Wabash was the national runner up in 1977.

So of all the current NCAC teams, only Witt has won a national championship?

Allegheny won in 1990.  That is the most recent one for the NCAC.

The OAC gets credit for Witt's title, not the NCAC

[The_Bishop]

Quick question--is this the farthest Wabash has gotten in the playoffs? Can't remember if they have ever gotten to the next round.

Nope.  In the AQ era Wabash has been to the quarterfinals in 2002, 2007, and 2011.  Back in the day, Wabash was the national runner up in 1977.

So of all the current NCAC teams, only Witt has won a national championship?

Allegheny won in 1990.  That is the most recent one for the NCAC.

If only we could go back in time....

Paul Bell isn't walking through that door.  Nick Reiser isn't walking through that door.

[smedindy]

Using that same reasoning, simply looking at a box score in such a game can also cause one to under-estimate UW-W.  For example, "The River Falls Solution" posted by some other random poster was based purely on selective numbers.    It completely ignored some of the most important factors of winning any college football game. If one uses numbers, it is important to interpret them correctly or they will lead you down a horribly wrong path.   While the "eye test" can be somewhat misleading, using statistics incorrectly can leave one looking clueless.

Um. I stand 100% by that post. It describes, very specifically, the way to beat Whitewater -- hold them under 150 yards rushing, run and pass for over 150 yourself. And cause some turnovers. That'll be the stat-line of a team that beats them. The post didn't completely ignore anything. It was a more relevant contribution to the game than anything you offered and will stand as--to me--absolutely the narrative to pay attention to as the game(s) unfold(s) this week, next, and--if you're lucky--the one after that.

I think all of you guys with your howdy-good-neighbor-cum-lunatic-grade-chest-pounding and all the bull**** ways, both big and small, you scavenge for things to either label "adorable" or take issue with -- I just think you suck. You haven't made a single point in a week that I couldn't find on the back of a how-to-be-a-fan paperback. You're a good team away from being utter trolls. So congrats -- you know next to nothing, offer next to nothing, but the team you follow is pretty damn good. Enjoy your postseason.

Riveting stuff. This blueprint to beat UWW can be applied to every other football game ever played. Not sure why it's "specific" to Whitewater.

Nothing ground breaking here, especially coming from someone slinging mud and claiming others "offer next to nothing".

Well, except the holding them under 150 yards rushing and rushing for 150 yourself. Plenty of teams now pass for gazillion yards and don't run.

[Bishopleftiesdad]

Kevin Herman was named second team To the Capital One Academic All american team.
http://www.battlingbishops.com/news/2014/12/2/FB_12022014.aspx

Ohio Wesleyan University senior Kevin Herman (Stow/Stow-Munroe Falls) was named to the Capital One Academic All-America® football teams, it was announced today.

Herman was a second-team Academic All-America® selection.  He is Ohio Wesleyan's first Academic All-America® selection in football since 1996.

[Bishopleftiesdad]

Other NCAC players that were named:
First Team
OL   Nick Flannery   Wooster   Jr.   Dayton, Ohio   3.94   Psychology
P   Tyler Gerwig   Wooster   Sr.   Doylestown, Ohio   3.94   Chemistry

Second Team
RB   Kevin Herman   Ohio Wesleyan   Sr.   Stow, Ohio   3.82   Economics management

http://www.capitaloneacademicallamerica.com/node/374

[emma17]

First time back to this board and was surprised to read I was called a coward.
That's something.
Out of respect for the Wabash fans that just saw their season end I didn't want to continue the heated debate on this board- as it really wasn't game related.
I take issue w a couple of posters on this board and the subject matter is generally related to the WIAC and Pool C. Neither are subjects specific to this board.

On top of it, it takes a man to admit a mistake. I was wrong to call Smed out personally and as a man should do, I apologized sincerely for it. 

[BashDad]

Troll.

[emma17]

Troll.

I imagine there is a debate to be had over this, but I don't know what you mean. What do you mean by troll?

[02 Warhawk]

Troll.

I imagine there is a debate to be had over this, but I don't know what you mean. What do you mean by troll?

Someone who purposely stirs things up on message boards just to be a jerk. (i.e purplesuit) 

[smedindy]

The tendrils of the discussion were both on "C" or here. It's appropriate to discuss them in the forum they appeared in, not in a chop-shop cut and paste format taking things out of context without the relevant points and counter-points in their whole, and also on a board I don't visit, much less post to. The denizens of that board had no idea the genesis of the argument and just saw as you framed it with you being the Paladin. Yeesh.

So I'd never have seen it had Bashdad not linked to it, and then I didn't think it was appropriate to respond to the expurgated version of the arguments, sans context. By not arguing it here or in the "C" board (where I was expecting it...) that's cowardly. Tell the board to go see the actual give and take, not just selectively edited Baghdad Bob highlights.

We're big boys in here; we can discuss it. It's germaine to the NCAC since we did get a "C" this year.

You do realize that I've defended the WIAC in the past, especially when it comes to their Massey Ratings (some have accused Massey of having a WIAC bias, but all they did was win almost all of their non-conference games - same with the CCIW a couple of years ago, they were killer in Massey because they almost swept their non-conference), always defend Whitewater's place in D3 against those who want them to move to D2 or D1AA (especially national columnists), AND also am very team neutral when it comes to the AQ and "C" issues, even to the chagrin of my fellow Wabash posters at times. So put that in the context of your vituperation and claim that you were merely defending the WIAC. I've defended them plenty in the past.

I don't care if it's Platteville, or Buena Vista, or Curry. The criteria is the criteria. Oshkosh probably did not get to the board, period. They were behind St. Thomas.

Come up with an at-large scenario that keeps the AQs, allows for non-AQ teams access AND keeps the semi-regional focus of D3. I'm all ears. Because Framingham had a much stronger beef than Oshkosh when it comes to the criteria (not that we'll see the rankings, which may have screwed them and put Muhlenberg over the top - who knows). And Framingham has as much right to a "C" chance as the WIAC.

Basically, it was a given that Wesley and either Centre or TLU would be the "B"'s. Then Del Val, JCU, and Wabash three of the "C" brigade along with Centre or TLU. Those two were going to get in as a B or C. So it was two spots for Muhlenberg, Framingham, North Central, Chicago (blocked by NC), St. Thomas, Oshkosh (blocked by St. Thomas). Had the committee chose St. Thomas fifth, maybe Oshkosh gets in over Muhlenberg. But Muhlenberg was the choice and I can see some of the reasons. I'm not in the room, but only one loss to a well-regarded team, only one non-conference game, and a conference that wasn't as stratified as some, I can see the pick.