FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[bashgiant]

The question should be does Coach Hammer go with him.
WAF!

[02 Warhawk]

I know I'm not alone when I say that I'm glad we stayed clear of any Wesley coaches. No thanks.

I mean:

"Defensive Run Coordinator and Special Teams Coordinator, UW Whitewater 2008-Present"

I'm not surprised that he's a finalist, if they're going to have five "finalists" there is really no harm in giving the internal guy one of those slots.

What really did surprise me, as others have said, is there aren't any bigger division guys the list. I wasn't expect Jeff Jagodzinski, but I thought there would be a highly accomplished D2 coach or a hot coordinator from a higher level that wanted a HC job.  As has been discussed previously, there aren't many D3 coaches who are good enough to attract UWW's attention that aren't firmly entrenched where they are (guys like Drass at Wesley, for example; I have to assume that if he was ever planning to leave Wesley, he'd have been gone go a D2 or FCS job long ago).

Other than the lack of a really strong higher division candidate, I think the list represents a couple of things you'd expect to see. There's one internal candidate; one other WIAC guy (who I think might be an inferior coach to Raeburn, but WOULD have the advantage of intimate knowledge of the WIAC schools' profile, which are much different than where Raeburn has played and coached, if the UWW administration considers that important), one REALLY successful D3 coach (ER) and one other "pretty good" D3 coach in Dean Paul (who I think is a "safety" candidate - but as the last guy to round out a list, he's not bad). That meets a lot of the "types" (internal, other WIAC, outside HC with success) that I figure they want on that final list. The not thing missing in my mind is that I expected a genuinely successful D2 or FCS coordinator to put their hat into the ring, some up and comer hoping to recreate the Leipold path of "massive success at UWW leading to offer for HC at bigger school" - not the d2 guy they ended up with, according to what's been said here.

[smedindy]

Why?

[02 Warhawk]

Why?

No attention to detail. Staff and players not being prepared. No discipline in their players, and to me that all starts with their coaching. Wesley has the talent, but I think their coaching is lacking.

I don't see that in Wabash, that's why I like Raeburn as a candidate. He runs a very good program.

[BashDad]

You're right. Wesley sucks.

[02 Warhawk]

You're right. Wesley sucks.

Your words...not mine

[ExTartanPlayer]

To be clear: I was not implying that they should have gone after Drass, merely pointing out that only a handful of D3 coaches have experience coaching a championship-level program and that most of them are probably staying where they are.

[smedindy]

Yes, that wayward bunch of undisciplined yahoos crushed a previously undefeated team 41-13 in round 3 of the playoffs. Wow, they're just a bunch of hooligans that just show up on Saturday without a game plan or a purpose.

I mean, is it just because they commit a lot of penalties? You want them to be Buena Vista, who committed just 29 penalties all year to go 5-5? Hey, we lost 63-3 but only committed two penalties. Wheeeee!

And as you know, this season was really weird for Wesley with all of those games against non D-3 rummies because they didn't have a conference and it's really hard to be an independent when teams are all fraidy-cat around you. I can see them getting sloppy after putting 60 on the board against an online school.

The most number of penalties they had this year was against Rowan. Most were holding on the offense. Sometimes refs really look for that. BTW, they beat a fine Rowan team 37-7 despite those holds (and a couple of PIs, which happen, too...)

I don't know about you, but I don't think penalties or discipline was the issue against Mt. Union.

[Bishopleftiesdad]

There has been talk on the Wiac board of UWW possibly becoming a way station for coaches moving up. What about Wabash? Creighton turned his gig at Wabash into a job at Drake, then ar EMU. If Raeburn, goes to UWW then on to bigger things, does Wabash become a stepping stone job?

[BashDad]

Are there non-stepping-stone jobs?

[Bishopleftiesdad]

Some jobs are better for it than others...

[smedindy]

Are there non-stepping-stone jobs?

I guess every job can be a stepping stone, simply for turning around a dire situation.

[Li'l Giant]

Are there non-stepping-stone jobs?

This.

[formerd3db]

Are there non-stepping-stone jobs?

I guess every job can be a stepping stone, simply for turning around a dire situation.

Some jobs are better for it than others...

Are there non-stepping-stone jobs?

There has been talk on the Wiac board of UWW possibly becoming a way station for coaches moving up. What about Wabash? Creighton turned his gig at Wabash into a job at Drake, then ar EMU. If Raeburn, goes to UWW then on to bigger things, does Wabash become a stepping stone job?

Are there non-stepping-stone jobs?

This.

That should not be of surprise to you Wabash fans (and I mean this in an admirable respectful way).  Wabash has an historic tradition of that.  Recall that famed Coach Jesse Harper, who played for Amos Alonzo Stagg at Chicago, then coached at Alma College went on to your Wabash and turned them into a great program, which lead directly to his head job at Notre Dame by 1912 as I recall.  So...if ER gets the UWW job, are we going to start calling Wabash "The Miami Ohio Cradle of Coaches of DIII"

BTW, Harper then in turn, invited Alma College to play ND at South Bend 4 years in a row from 1913-1916, in which Alma was outscored by a whopping 144-0!  Those teams in Alma football history are known as "The Suicide Squads" and/or "The Suicide Schedules because Alma played ND and Michigan State 4 years in a row those same years.  They did actually (finally ) beat Michigan State in 1916.  Must have been an "off" year for the latter.

[SaintsFAN]

Yes, that wayward bunch of undisciplined yahoos crushed a previously undefeated team 41-13 in round 3 of the playoffs. Wow, they're just a bunch of hooligans that just show up on Saturday without a game plan or a purpose.

I mean, is it just because they commit a lot of penalties? You want them to be Buena Vista, who committed just 29 penalties all year to go 5-5? Hey, we lost 63-3 but only committed two penalties. Wheeeee!

And as you know, this season was really weird for Wesley with all of those games against non D-3 rummies because they didn't have a conference and it's really hard to be an independent when teams are all fraidy-cat around you. I can see them getting sloppy after putting 60 on the board against an online school.

The most number of penalties they had this year was against Rowan. Most were holding on the offense. Sometimes refs really look for that. BTW, they beat a fine Rowan team 37-7 despite those holds (and a couple of PIs, which happen, too...)

I don't know about you, but I don't think penalties or discipline was the issue against Mt. Union.

I think the Wesley coaches panicked that day against Mount Union.  They were averaging 5 yards/carry early and then completely abandoned it when Mount scored the first of their 10 TDs.  I don't think they knew how to reign in their kids after it was clear they had abandoned their game plan.  Shortly after that, they quit.

I think alot of Mount Union/Whitewater/MHB's edge over Wesley is coaching.