FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[USee]

Am really pumped to be able to be at the game on Saturday...will also be seeing Appomattox Court House...Sailors Creek Battlefield...and High Bridge...


WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS

Maybe you can meet HSCTiger fan at the Appomattox Court House and sign a peace treaty?

[wally_wabash]

Am really pumped to be able to be at the game on Saturday...will also be seeing Appomattox Court House...Sailors Creek Battlefield...and High Bridge...


WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS

Maybe you can meet HSCTiger fan at the Appomattox Court House and sign a peace treaty?

I believe "surrender" is more historically accurate.

[Pat Coleman]

Most likely you guys will have to look it up to believe me but HSC has had more rushing attempts than passing attempts in each of last 3 years.  In 2013 the team ran for over 1800 yards with an experienced line. In 2011 pre Nance era they actually threw the ball 3746 yards on 499 attempts and had 1473 yards rushing on 394 attempts.  That season also had a 1000 yard rusher. Had you knowledgable NCAC board guys cared to look that up you could have seen it. I guess stats prior to 2012 only matter if you are a Wabash fan.

ExTarten thanks for pointing out how close mine and Usee's analysis was. Like I said hear what you want to hear.

Stats deceive. H-SC ran the ball 11 more times than passed in 2014, but that's only because each sack in college counts as a rushing attempt. If you take out the 22 sacks and call them pass plays, which is what they were called from the sideline, then H-SC passed more often.

But as I said, it's possible for H-SC to have a balanced offense. It would be interesting to know how many attempts were in games where H-SC was up in the fourth quarter and trying to run out the clock.

[DadofBashWarrior..]

Behavior is most deeply seeded in the unconscious mind...

To change the behavior one must first change the thinking...

Case in point:

Three days before Lee surrendered he said "I would rather die a thousand deaths than surrender."

As added interest I post the following for the Men of Wabash...

Found in Lee's documents after his death was the following under Definition of a Gentleman...

The forbearing use of power does not only form a touchstone, but the manner in which an individual enjoys certain advantages over others is a test of a true gentleman.
The power which the strong have over the weak, the employer over the employed, the educated over the unlettered, the experienced over the confiding, even the clever over the silly — the forbearing or inoffensive use of all this power or authority, or a total abstinence from it when the case admits it, will show the gentleman in a plain light.
The gentleman does not needlessly and unnecessarily remind an offender of a wrong he may have committed against him. He cannot only forgive, he can forget; and he strives for that nobleness of self and mildness of character which impart sufficient strength to let the past be but the past. A true man of honor feels humbled himself when he cannot help humbling others.

This would be clear thinking in my estimation...

[HSCTiger fan]

Nice. You'll enjoy all three. There's a book you might consider called "Bad Friday, the Yankees come to Hampden Sydney". It might be on Amazon but you can pick a copy up while visiting Sailor's Creek. It's a book written by Rev. William E. Thompson, former HSC chaplain. It may be a cool momento for your trip. I mean it's a better read than a game program.

Here's a link that offers a cliffs notes version - http://www.hsc.edu/The-Record/The-Record-Archive/2011-June/Bad-Friday.html

Wally why would I surrender while I've gotten all of you guys so bent out of shape? It's too much fun.

[DadofBashWarrior..]

Nice. You'll enjoy all three. There's a book you might consider called "Bad Friday, the Yankees come to Hampden Sydney". It might be on Amazon but you can pick a copy up while visiting Sailor's Creek. It's a book written by Rev. William E. Thompson, former HSC chaplain. It may be a cool momento for your trip. I mean it's a better read than a game program.

Here's a link that offers a cliffs notes version - http://www.hsc.edu/The-Record/The-Record-Archive/2011-June/Bad-Friday.html

Wally why would I surrender while I've gotten all of you guys so bent out of shape? It's too much fun.

ie...I've gotten you guys so bent out of shape?

The shape of these Men you duly fail to recognize...

I will pick up the book...conditionally that you must reimburse me the cost if you punt on 3rd down more than once...

[HSCTiger fan]

That's all on Coach not me. Buy it don't buy no conditions - sorry. In all seriousness, I think you'd enjoy it if you like civil war history which I'm assuming you do.

[Wabash Hokie]

HSCTigerFan:


In an earlier post, someone from HSC stated that there would be somewhere between 6,000 to 8,000 people at this game.  Is that a grounded estimate or hyperbole?  Does the crowd gather and watch the game or do they remain in there different areas and simply take in the event?  I guess we will see on Saturday. 


BTW, Thanks for the heads up about the location of the visitors stands. I hope we need the sun screen.  Given that this may be our one and only visit to HSC, it would nice to tour the grounds and watch the game without getting wet.


See you on Saturday.  East bound and down tomorrow morning.

[HSCTiger fan]

You don't know what you're talking about.

Since 2001, when Wabash actively began caring about belonging in the national conversation, they've won more championships than you, produced more all americans than you, won more playoff games than you, been ranked higher, beaten better opponents, and climbed the national ladder higher.

Since you guys started caring in 2001:

NCAC Champs Wabash 5 (3 in last eight years) False
ODAC Champs HSC 5 (3 in last 4 years)
All-Americans Wabash 15 (7 since 2010) False
All Americans HSC 17 (14 since 2010)
Playoffs wins Wabash 10 (1 in last 3 years) True
Playoff wins HSC 1 (1 in last 3 years)
Been ranked higher Since you started caring Wabash has finish the season ranked 6 times. HSC has finished ranked 4 times. 3 time Wabash finished ranked ahead of HSC and three times HSC finished ranked higher than Wabash. Somewhat True
Beaten better opponents. True but none better in last 3 years True
Climbed the national ladder higher. I'll agree with that. But you have been slipping since 2011. Maybe this year the LGs will change it. But not if they only win one playoff game. True

Having debunked at least some of your claims you should know I really don't care. HSC is not on the national scene. I have said many times, over and over again Wabash is better. I've said HSC is a top 80% team and Wabash is a top 90% team. Your team is really good. I'm not promoting my favorite team over yours. I made the observation that HSC has accomplished more in the last 3 years. They have. That's not saying you guys aren't a better team or program. 

[HSCTiger fan]

HSCTigerFan:


In an earlier post, someone from HSC stated that there would be somewhere between 6,000 to 8,000 people at this game.  Is that a grounded estimate or hyperbole?  Does the crowd gather and watch the game or do they remain in there different areas and simply take in the event?  I guess we will see on Saturday.

We have been among the national leaders in attendance for many years. Our first 2 home games were in front of 7430 and 8004. 8000 would not surprise me. The 8004 was against the U.S. Coast Guard. Their campus is in CT. But the navel base in Norfolk is only 3 hours. The 7430 was CNU another VA school. I went back and looked at Swanee and Huntingdon in 2012 and 2010. They are 9 and 14 hours away. The attendance for those games was 5300 Huntingdon and 6500 Swanee.  I don't recall the buzz around those games as there is with this one. It's Labor Day weekend. A top 10 team is coming to HSC for only the second time. It's going to be fun.

There's a lot behind the stadium called the Founders Lot. The game needs to be close late in the 4th to draw them into the action.

HSC lets their students and fans enjoy the game, the experience, and the campus.  There are designated areas for drinking. The entire Wabash area will be designated. There are always, at least early in the season, a few that want to test those boundaries.  The campus police will politely ask once to go back to the designated areas.  There's no set time for tailgating. We start at 8AM go til game time, come back at halftime, then go a few hours after the game. We seldom leave before dark.  If you Wabash students are reading this just do your drinking in the areas. Don't give the campus police any grief or you'll be watching from the back of a police car. Don't get me wrong. They're very cool. But don't push it. There's plenty of places to have a few drinks.

[sigma one]

Seems like we have this thing on an infinitely endless loop.  Since 2011 (over the past 4 years) Wabash is 12-1, 8-2, 9-1, and 10-2:  39-6.
     Will Saturday (n)ever come?   Through this entire discussion, I've wondered what the number of All-Americans has to do with team success. Recognition of individual excellence is nice, but team excellence is better. 
     Oh, and over the past four years:  Wabash 4 DePauw 0.    I don't expect you to believe me, but ask the Wabash seniors what they think their best accomplishment is, and they will tell you beating DePauw all four years (actually 6 years and running), never losing the Monon Bell Game.  They will tell you that they are disappointed they did not win four conference chamionships, but the Bell Game is a cherished trophy   I can hear your reply, and can say don't bother.  But I know you will bother . . .endlessly looping.

[HSCTiger fan]

Sigma, I have consistently written about the last 3 years. I have acknowledge Wabash's fine record  A record much better than HSC's. Both HSC and Wabash have been ranked in the final poll within the last 3 years. Wabash twice HSC once. Wabash ranked ahead of HSC once '14 and HSC ranked ahead of Wabash once in 2013. Both won a single playoff game. Only HSC won their conference. They did that twice.  HSC has had 4 to 2 Wabash's All-Americans  All-Americans are national accomplishments. I did not create them. I just pointed them out. If you guys are upset that's your issue. If you take that info and try to read into it that I'm saying HSC is better - I'm not.  Those are their accomplishments. I don't see how anyone not blinded by loyalty cannot see that over the last 3 years Wabash has done little nationally and nothing more than HSC.

I 100% believe their greatest accomplishment is beating Depauw. Why wouldn't I? They certainly cannot say it's goind deep into the playoffs or winning the NCAC. It's a great accomplishment. Beating Depauw who has gone 13 and 17 is not exactly national scene stuff. I know it means a lot to them. HSC has lost 3 of 4 to RMC our hated rival. I know it's disappointing to those seniors. But their sting is taken away from the glow of their 3 ODAC championship rings over those 4 years. On the other hand RMC can say they beat HSC 3 of 4. No ODAC title since 2006 has got to sting.

You say it's an endless loop.  It's the Wabash posters trying to convince me I'm wrong. But yet no one has offered any plausible argument as to why Wabash over the last 3 years deserves such high praise.nationally.  I don't see it.

[BashDad]

I have been consistent in my message. Over three years Wabash has done less nationally than HSC.

...Wabash has been no more or less significant than HSC on the national stage over the last few years.

...no team in the ODAC is playing a role at the national level.

I said Wabash has done nothing more nationally.

HSC is not on the national scene.

That's not saying you guys aren't a better team or program.

Okay. Just what in the hell are we talking about anymore? We're a better program but we haven't done anything on the "national scene?" What? What does that mean? We beat teams from three different states last year, including you, advanced to the round of 16 (out of 247 teams), played the national champion tough (this after playing UMU tough in our last playoff appearance). We're ranked in the pre-season Top 10 for the second time in the last four years and the Pre-Season Rag of Record, Kickoff, ran a profile on this team regarding this very subject. So how come we can't, after all of this, claim to have done anything of "national significance?" Because we didn't beat Whitewater? Because we didn't win our conference? No. Sorry. Try again. The march of a program is about way a lot more than how much conference jewelry Team X collects and it's certainly not confined to an arbitrary three year window (the installing of which, by the way, has everything to do with the only 30 minutes in recent memory when your team had any clout).

You are persisting because your team, relative to mine, hasn't done anything; because you got beat a year ago and are about to lose again; and because the only distinguishing marks between HSC and Wabash are a couple extra championship rings that no-one outside the ODAC actually cares about, two of which are shared, and none of which have anything to do with what happens on Saturday or how the country perceives the programs relative to one another -- which, final point, isn't something I, or you, have to guess at.

[BashDad]

HSC has had 4 to 2 Wabash's All-Americans.

Wabash can claim these All Americans since 2012: Weston Kitley, Cody Buresch, Ethan Buresch, Nate Scola, Cam Sobleski

HSC can claim: Nash Nance, Holton Walker, and Tyler Ikwald.

http://d3football.com/awards/all-americans/index

[bashbrother]

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This is maddening.   For the sake of saving the integrity of this board,  we truly need to stop responding to his verbal puke show.   Let's see if he will then post 10 consecutive posts talking to himself.