FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[bashbrother]

OK, so who is most likely to have a "Moral Victory" this weekend?  OWU, Wooster, or H-SC  ?

I'm thinking OWU.

HSC doesn't play for moral victories. Certainly not against teams they feel they can beat.

Ok,  we are finally back on point.   Taking last year into consideration....  and the team you currently have this year... 

Please in one paragraph or less...  tell us.... What exactly are the reasons... you believe that HSC will emerge victorious on Saturday....   everyone maintain radio silence...  this is his chance.   Then we can either have a real discussion.

[WooClone15]

OK, so who is most likely to have a "Moral Victory" this weekend?  OWU, Wooster, or H-SC  ?

I'm thinking OWU.

Hopefully Wooster. I'm the ultimate hopelessly optimistic fan, but realistically there is almost no chance Woo wins this one. I just really hope it isn't by the 40 point spread that Wally had.

[ExTartanPlayer]

OK, so who is most likely to have a "Moral Victory" this weekend?  OWU, Wooster, or H-SC  ?

I'm thinking OWU.

Hopefully Wooster. I'm the ultimate hopelessly optimistic fan, but realistically there is almost no chance Woo wins this one. I just really hope it isn't by the 40 point spread that Wally had.

A Wooster fan!  We have a sighting!

[BashDad]

You did see my message was consistent.

Um. No I didn't. You go from arguing Wabash has done less than HSC "on a national stage" to saying that HSC "has done nothing nationally". So.

I hate to tell you this but no one outside of the NCAC cares as to who wins the NCAC either.

EXACTLY.

I called my friend last year who lives in southern Illinois. He played DIII Football. He had heard of Wabash but had no clue where Wabash College was from his house.

I still have no idea as to what you guys call the measuring stick. Wally posted 2 years of stats against some of the lousiest competition in D3.

Right. Wabash played #21 HSC, #14 Wittenberg, #29 Franklin, and #1 UWW in 2014. Try again.

I bet if the LGS repeat [...] their accomplishments of the last 3 years the next 3 years no one will buy what you're seling.

What, exactly, are we selling? I'm only interested in getting you to stop positioning HSC above a team that's earned its current better-than-you status, both on the field and in the public eye.

[bashbrother]

Welcome aboard WooClone15!   a few of us were just discussing how amazing Tony Sutton's career was at Wooster.... 5,613 career rushing yards -  187 yard per game average.   80 rushing TD's.  WOW.....   Wooster....  er... we all need..... to find another Tony Sutton.

[BashDad]

I was forced to retire due to Parkinson's disease at 45 years old. It sucks but you take what you get and go with it. Football is a welcomed distraction. These boards are fun. I enjoy the exchange with all these guys.  They give me hell I give it back. It's all in good fun for me but it seems a little more than that to some.

I'm sorry to hear this and I hope you stick around. I agree that football and these boards are welcome distractions from the larger frustrations of life. Be well, sir.

[wally_wabash]

OK, so who is most likely to have a "Moral Victory" this weekend?  OWU, Wooster, or H-SC  ?

I'm thinking OWU.

Let's see...when you #ExpectToWin, anything less just won't do, so apparently HSC is out because they're not winning. 

Wooster?  Whoo boy...that W&J outfit looks nasty this season.  Even in a best case scenario, I'm having a hard time finding a way to see that game playing out in a way that we're going to find any real positive takeaways.  I mean, really...they need to be able to drag enough bodies through that game to be ready for Allegheny in Week 2.  That might be their best (only?) chance to win a game in 2015.  And the 40 that I put on the Pick 'Em board isn't nearly enough.  The early players are giving those points away like are laced with ebola. 

So I guess that leaves me with OWU.  And I have more optimism here because I feel like OWU went out and took on this game on purpose.  It's the Mike Leonard Scheduling Strategy™.  They're going to get thumped on, but I think there's a larger purpose in play for the Bishops.  I don't know if this pays off later this year or next year or even in 3-4 more years.  But I do think this is part of a plan, so they're going to get more out of that game than Wooster will with theirs. 

[Schwami]

Hey WooClone 15, see my reply to your post on the NCAC pick'ems page!  Looking forward to my first trip to the Papp on 9/25 for the Wooster - Denison game!

HSCTiger fan, glad to know you think Wabash is one of the top 90% in the country!  Sure beats being in the bottom 10%!  (And no, that's not a shot at HSC --- I have no disagreement with you that HSC is in the top 80%!)

[wally_wabash]

Hey WooClone 15, see my reply to your post on the NCAC pick'ems page!  Looking forward to my first trip to the Papp on 9/25 for the Wooster - Denison game!

The Old Red Lantern game!  Very nice.  Make sure to get a dog at the Papp, Schwam.  The Wooster dog is the best concession item in the NCAC. 

[HSCTiger fan]

OK, so who is most likely to have a "Moral Victory" this weekend?  OWU, Wooster, or H-SC  ?

I'm thinking OWU.

HSC doesn't play for moral victories. Certainly not against teams they feel they can beat.

Ok,  we are finally back on point.   Taking last year into consideration....  and the team you currently have this year... 

Please in one paragraph or less...  tell us.... What exactly are the reasons... you believe that HSC will emerge victorious on Saturday....   everyone maintain radio silence...  this is his chance.   Then we can either have a real discussion.

I believe HSC will win because they will score more points than Wabash. I laid that out several posts ago. Basically the same post as unbiased USee's.  You might remember his as it was met with much praise and although my analysis was very similar it was met with ridicule.

Dad you lost 2 of 4 of those quality games. HSC played #25 CNU, Wabash, and Wesley. Three teams that made the final 16. They also beat 2 teams with 8-2 records. That doesn't make us relavent nationally according to you so why should it be different for Wabash.  the argument was made that your national stats helped make you relavent nationally

I've never positioned HSC above Wabash. You read then cut and paste snippets of what I say and then lose your mind. I have said and its not disputable, HSC has without doubt over the last 3 years been as relavent as Wabash.

Imagine for one second that Wabash had won their last 2 championships, played in 3 playoff games, winning one and HSC had finished 2nd or 3rd in the conference in each of the last 3 years, played 2 playoff games, winning one. Which team would you say had accomplished more in that time frame?

[BashDad]

I've never positioned HSC above Wabash.

Laughable. You did it in this same post. Look:

Imagine for one second that Wabash had won their last 2 championships, played in 3 playoff games, winning one and HSC had finished 2nd or 3rd in the conference in each of the last 3 years, played 2 playoff games, winning one. Which team would you say had accomplished more in that time frame?

[wally_wabash]

Imagine for one second that Wabash had won their last 2 championships, played in 3 playoff games, winning one and HSC had finished 2nd or 3rd in the conference in each of the last 3 years, played 2 playoff games, winning one. Which team would you say had accomplished more in that time frame?

You're cherry-picking, man.  There's so much more information that matters and you're flatly ignoring all of it.   And you keep talking about conference championships like they are relevant to your larger point- and they aren't.  This entire bit about in-conference results only matters if we're all in the same conference.  And we're not so it doesn't.  I need you to make a point that doesn't involve the assumption that an ODAC co-championship is relevant at all to anything other than what goes on in the ODAC. 

[bashbrother]

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[jknezek]

You're cherry-picking, man.  There's so much more information that matters and you're flatly ignoring all of it.   And you keep talking about conference championships like they are relevant to your larger point- and they aren't.  This entire bit about in-conference results only matters if we're all in the same conference.  And we're not so it doesn't.  I need you to make a point that doesn't involve the assumption that an ODAC co-championship is relevant at all to anything other than what goes on in the ODAC.

I don't dispute most of what you say Wally, but you need to stop referring to things as "co-championships". The ODAC does not have co-championships anymore. HSC is the reigning ODAC champion. Full Stop. They have the rings for 3 of the last 4 years, regardless of how many other teams shared the records. You claim he has belittled some of Wabash's accomplishments, but you are trying to do the same thing. It doesn't speak well for your arguments that you continue on this rhetorical path despite being told several times you are wrong.

[wally_wabash]

You're cherry-picking, man.  There's so much more information that matters and you're flatly ignoring all of it.   And you keep talking about conference championships like they are relevant to your larger point- and they aren't.  This entire bit about in-conference results only matters if we're all in the same conference.  And we're not so it doesn't.  I need you to make a point that doesn't involve the assumption that an ODAC co-championship is relevant at all to anything other than what goes on in the ODAC.

I don't dispute most of what you say Wally, but you need to stop referring to things as "co-championships". The ODAC does not have co-championships anymore. HSC is the reigning ODAC champion. Full Stop. They have the rings for 3 of the last 4 years, regardless of how many other teams shared the records. You claim he has belittled some of Wabash's accomplishments, but you are trying to do the same thing. It doesn't speak well for your arguments that you continue on this rhetorical path despite being told several times you are wrong.

I think the larger point is that whether we call it a co-championship or an outright championship (and honestly, which one of those misrepresents the actual history more?) it doesn't matter in a conversation that has been about equating Hampden-Sydney and Wabash.   But I'll refrain from using the co-championship thing going forward.  It's clearly a sensitive area.