FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[smedindy]

Don't move the goalposts.

Carlson was 112-57-2 at Wabash.

At Whittier, when he got there in 2003, they had 13 players in the program. He only went 5-22, but the program stabilized and had 80 players when he handed the reins over to BJ.

He started the program at St. Scholastica in 2008. By 2011 they were in the playoffs. And he's a loser?

Yes, it probably was time for him to go when he left. But he lasted 18 years and won almost twice as many as he lost, and he had a couple of tough acts to follow in Navarro and Parrish.

We're definitely spoiled by the recent success against DPU - mostly because DPU's been less than stellar for a long time. But that's not always been the case, and it isn't the best D-3 rivalry because some team rolls the other every year. That's the Knox - Monmouth rivalry.

[Caveman # 95]

Stan Parrish.....bah ha ha ha...ask the Ball State alums what they think about Stan Parrish. 

[smedindy]

Stan Parrish?

He was 42-3-1 at Wabash. Should have went to the playoffs once, maybe twice.

You're showing your ignorance. You must be a rhynie.

[smedindy]

Some of the most heartfelt memories that I heard from returning football players were players from the 60's reminiscing about Coach Ken Keuffel, who coached us from 1961-1966. He was the mastermind of the single wing. He was loved and admired by all on campus - students, faculty, everyone.

His record? 28-20-5. He was 1-5 in Bell Games. Yet, everyone loved him.

[Caveman # 95]

Move goal posts?  Are you serious?  How many playoff appearances did Carlson have? How many of Carlson's victories came in the notoriously feeble ICAC?

Barf. Puke. Oops, I did it again.

I must have an aversion to the weak sauce.

[smedindy]

Do you know when the playoff system for D-3 changed? Through all of Carlson's career, it wasn't like it was today. It was a much different selection system, and the fields ranged from 16 - 28. There were no automatic bids. Everyone was selected by the regional committees - many times based on reputation.

[smedindy]

The 1998 team, 7-0 in the ICAC, would have made the playoffs under the current system. The 1992 team probably as well.

In the early days of the ICAC, Hanover was an excellent team, so was Rose Hulman and DPU. When DPU and RHIT left, then the replacements (Bluffton, et. al.) weren't so hot.

And remember, we had a lot of games against Earlham, Oberlin, Kenyon, and Hiram when they were probably worse than most every team in the old ICAC.

[Caveman # 95]

Oh my, did I not kiss the Stan Parrish ring? (or lack thereof?).  Winning record at Wabash, yes.  Overall record as a head coach, not so much. There are plenty of FAITHFUL Wabash alums who thought Parrish was an arrogant prick.

Quit embarrassing yourself smed.  It is funny that you lowered yourself to name calling.

Sticks and stones....

[smedindy]

Connie Mack had a losing record as a manager.

Those years at Kansas State? It was like trying to win at Lewis & Clark.

[Caveman # 95]

I will concede on your Kansas State point.

[Caveman # 95]

Smed-  You mentioned Carlson's 1992 team...the year that he chose to kick a field goal against a 4-4-2 Dannie team on the last play of the game for a tie...rather than go for the win?   Ask his seniors that year what they thought of his decision.

You also mention his 1998 team....the one that got pasted 42-7 by the 7-3 Dannies.  C'mon smed.  Talk about weak sauce.  (well...maybe the Dannies cheated that game?)
Well...

[wally_wabash]

This feels like halftime of the BASEketball final game.  Dudes, we have sullied the waters of the Lagoon of Peace! 

So Witt/DePauw this weekend.  Kind of a big deal.  Those guys are just the worst, right? 

[Desertraider]

Not even ER, CC or even Larry Kehres could win at some places in D-3. Hiram? Oberlin? Whittier? Macalester? Hamline? Lewis & Clark? Wilmington?

You don't always win at most schools. Especially with the competition in Southern California. I checked - every SCIAC team has had a losing season in the last ten years. So, that says that the competition is relatively even, and if you hit on a class, you're going to win. If you miss, you're not.

What if he started a program, like at Anna Maria, who since they started is 7-66? How would that look on a resume.

Proven loser is weak sauce.

Maybe he got his enthusiasm back, too. Again, he was probably the best candidate at the time when ER left.

I must disagree with this. LK could take Hiram and make them a force. I have always said that if LK moved up he would be a great fit at a service academy...like West Point!!!! He could take my Blacknights and not only finally beat Navy - they would be ranked within 5 years.

[smedindy]

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I'm rooting for DPU this weekend.

When Wabash wins the Bell again, we could have a three-way tie for the NCAC title if Wabash takes care of our business. Then it's up to the tie-breaker NCAC Gods to determine the playoff team. As time goes on, the Wabash win over Albion may start to look better (if they get their stuff together and start winning, right now it looks bad). MSJ will probably go 5-5, and Capital may top out at 5-5 or 4-6. There's no reason Albion couldn't win out and go 6-4. Of course, they could just splat like roadkill.

We'd have three NCAC teams at 9-1 - one in Pool A and two fighting for Pool C bids.

I know OWP is only one factor in SOS, but it would be nice that if there's a three-way tie Wabash would have the better OWP. So, go Britons as well!

[wally_wabash]

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I'm rooting for DPU this weekend.

When Wabash wins the Bell again, we could have a three-way tie for the NCAC title if Wabash takes care of our business. Then it's up to the tie-breaker NCAC Gods to determine the playoff team. As time goes on, the Wabash win over Albion may start to look better (if they get their stuff together and start winning, right now it looks bad). MSJ will probably go 5-5, and Capital may top out at 5-5 or 4-6. There's no reason Albion couldn't win out and go 6-4. Of course, they could just splat like roadkill.

We'd have three NCAC teams at 9-1 - one in Pool A and two fighting for Pool C bids.

I know OWP is only one factor in SOS, but it would be nice that if there's a three-way tie Wabash would have the better OWP. So, go Britons as well!

That's my first thought as well- that it's best if DPU wins this weekend and Wabash can force a three-way tie for the NCAC championship.  That *might* get Wabash in through Pool A.  That also "might* get DePauw in through Pool A, which then kind of hoses Wabash because of h2h vs. Wittenberg.  It's not impossible for Wabash to wind up ranked higher than Witt, but it would kind of be absurd if DPU gets the league AQ that Wittenberg then wouldn't be ahead of Wabash in a final set of rankings.  Unless Wittenberg loafs through the last half of their season and Wabash really turns it on, looks awesome, and smashes DPU in Week 11.  But that h2h ought to trump just about everything else.  In any case, I can't stress enough how bad the three way tie that ends in DPU getting the AQ is for Wabash.  With the CCIW runner up hurtling toward 9-1 here, Wabash being behind both that team and Wittenberg is doomsday.  I don't know that the North can go three deep in the at-large pool...definitely wouldn't bet on it. 

So this is a be careful what you wish for situation.  DPU could win and give Wabash an opening to win a share of the conference championship, which is awesome, but that shared conference championship might come at the cost of a spot in the tournament.  On the other hand, Witt winning and going 10-0 and then Wabash beating DPU in Week 11 to get to 9-1 is probably a better for Wabash as far as Pool C goes.

Lots of scenarios here.  Plus we shouldn't grant Wabash or Witt or DePauw the free pass to 9+ wins.  Wabash has been wobbly, DePauw has never gone through the NCAC without losing a weird game (O *clap* W *clap* U *clap*) and Denison is playing very good football and gets to play all of these teams down the stretch.