FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[Vince McMahon]

Lancer,

the pattern of smaller (or more appropriately, lighter) linemen was definitely present while I was at AC.  During Hrovat's tenure, there was certainly a trend toward not small, but light linemen that could move well.  In an offense where sweeps and options are common, this is usually a necessary feature.  Once in awhile, you might find a larger lineman that can move well, but for the most part, those guys are playing D1 somewhere.   When I was a senior, our only really big lineman was our center, Bill Andrews.  Our guards both played between 230 and 240 and our right tackle was only about 225 lbs!   But our offense still piled up a ton of yards that year.  Andrews was an AFCA all-american and both our guards were 1st team all NCAC.  I would say the youth on OWU's line might be a concern, but I wouldn't write them off based on their size.   

[wally_wabash]

It wouldn't be easy, LG.  I think I'd use a diversion....point and yell "Look!  There's Branch Rickey!" and then when they inevitably turn and look, I'd run right by.  It works every time. 

[formerd3db]

smedindy:
Not intending to be negative here, but I just have a question for you.  When you relate that 90% of the students get financial aid, just how substantial are those amounts?  Many students do get some financial assistance, however, there are many of those in which the amount given in an academic scholarship is only somewhere between $5,000 and $8,000 (I am not including such categories as Presidential Scholarships from some schools which are full or near full tuition or at least half).  In addition, most schools that award these scholarships do not combine them i.e. a student (or student-athlete) is allowed only one scholarship category.  So when a big % of students in the total enrollment get scholarship $, if it is only a small portion of that, it is misleading to assume that it makes it affordable to some students because...While every amount helps, still a scholarship of $5-8,000 is minimal compared to some of the huge tuition/R&B at a great # of the schools which range from $29,000 - $36,000 or $38,000 per year.

Not sure how it is at your school, but that's how it is at ours.  Of course, many of those students might get community scholarships or from other venues back in their home town areas.  Overall, most people can afford a school because they'll get at least half of the $ to attend in grants or scholarships, which basically makes it affordable and essentially the same they would pay at a state university. 

[evacuee]

SmedIndy,

I don't know if things are different now, but every time I filled out my applications when I was heading off to school, there was an item that asks, "do you plan to apply for financial aid?"  You can check yes or no.  I always checked no, in which case they needed to know about my family's assets.  If you check no, that puts you in a very special pile. 

[WallyFS4]

d3db

I agree.  I think most private schools try to get the tuition around, or close to what it would be to go to a state school.  If it is a little higher, they will sell you on the small classrooms, and that most are 100% professor taught.

Pat,

This is my 1st post since the change.  Can you update my post from my old account.  Thanks! WallyFS4

GOOD LUCK TO WABASH THIS WEEKEND.  TAKE CARE OF UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS![/font]

[smedindy]

TU -

Trust me - they do not look at that box except to forward the application to financial aid so they can start putting something together at the right time. I really don't want to call the people I work with liars. Heck, they don't automatically accept legacies, so why full payers?

d3DB - Most all of the financial aid here is based on need. So basically if the 'formula' says a student needs $10,000 of aid a year - he'll get that. There are some full tuition scholarships each year, sure, but students will get in aid whatever they are allowed, be it $1,000 or a full ride.  And knowing the profile of our students, I'd say many of the full tuition scholarships would need anyway (and speaking from experience, I know I would have needed aid if I didn't get an Honors).

I know other schools are different, sure, but that's the way it is here.

[Vince McMahon]

Pat,

I think there's more money to made with d3admissions.com
I might jump on this one first if you don't hurry.

[smedindy]

Hey, you bring things up in here and we'll discuss it.  Note it was an interloper from another conference that started that mess.

[Vince McMahon]

Smed,

Understood.  It just seems like this debate has dragged for quite some time now. 

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

Smed,

Understood.  It just seems like this debate has dragged for quite some time now. 

Every year, someone  in the NCAC will bring it up on Post Patterns when they are forced to realize that no one from their conference will beat Mount Union that year. Then they start pulling out the fact that every NCAC school is academically better than the OAC schools and it makes them feel all warm and cozy inside until the next football season. I will never debate that fact, but I did graduate from Mount Union, and contrary to some of the NCAC poster's beliefs, I have done ok for myself.  Hope to see one of your schools in the playoffs!!

[wally_wabash]

I don't think this was ever an NCAC vs. OAC thing....you're fanning imaginary flames.  In fact, a good number of posters here go out of their way to squash any playing of the academic card when it looks like a thread might be going that way. 

And never say never...one of these days one of ours will beat yours and then we'll be better at football AND smarter than you.  

[smedindy]

Actually, a Trinity grad brought it up, which is a school quite similar to those found in the NCAC, but thanks for playing anyway. Perhaps you should have done some critical reasoning (or studied basic research skills) back at the ol' Mount.

[DarkSide-D]

Wally, I second your point.  But, Alas, it ain't easy being the smarter Ohio area conference.

Kirasdad, I wish Woo would have played Mount last year.   I honestly believe Woo would have been able to pull one out on them.  Especially when you compare the numbers of the Woo/Carthage, and the Carthage/Mount game.  

Oh well, I guess I will just have to enjoy my superior intelligence!  

[DarkSide-D]

If only I could go back.  I'm tellin ya, I coulda won the game.  If only coach would have put me in.  See those mountains over there?  I bet I could throw a football over them.  Dang it Napolean!!

[bashbrother]

Sunny and mid-70's all around the NCAC tomorrow, with little to no wind.  Perfect weather for a great weekend of Football.

Good luck and good safe play to all in the NCAC.