FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[smedindy]

Well, what is the response.

My source gave me another take after he re-read the *super secret* (and no kidding it is) tiebreaker, but I wasn't going to expounded on it until next week, if it was still moot.

[wally_wabash]

Wooster won the conference the last year.  That's about as competitive as you can get.  I think it would be nice, though, if our teams didn't need to constantly look for a source of disrespect in order to light the fire.  It would be nice if Wooster, and really every team in the conference including Wabash, could be strong enough to compete at a high level every year without the "they ran it up on us, now we'll make 'em pay" catalyst.  

[nike]

Looking at NCAC stats and if Murray is the best back in the league looks like we will see the second best in Coombs. I'm getting excited about Gambier. Could one argue that Coombs might be more valuble because he has less help than Murray? Against Wooster, Coombs was followed everywhere he went, with or without the ball.  I mean everywhere. The attention on him opened up other people for Kenyon against Wooster.  And that kept Kenyon's defensei well rested. If OWU cannot move the ball, their defense is going to be in for a long day.

[DarkSide-D]

Wally, I agree completely.

[ravishingrabbi]

wally--i respect your devotion and loyalty to your school, but i completely disagree here. i've been a part of blowouts on both sides, and never at any level have i seen the winning team throw downfield that late in the game.

this is not a wabash vs. hiram '03 or woo vs. kenyon '04 type of incident where the winning team literally couldn't help but to score even by running the ball. if wabash had handed the ball off, and the back took it 70 yards for a td, i wouldn't think twice about it. my problem is not with the backup qb or wr, because they're just running the play that's called and acting on competitive instinct.

but when you're winning 38-10 with two minutes left and you have the ball, all you have to do is run the ball, and the game's over. it is absolutely classless to deliberately call a passing play in that situation, let alone a play where there's a receiver going deep. one of the coaches, either creighton or someone who creighton is responsible for, called that pass. whether or not the deep ball was the primary option is irrelevant.

i'd definitely like to hear what others who were at the game have to say. it's a little ironic to hear how "classy" and great creighton is, and then for this to happen. maybe two straight losses to the scots hurt his feelings, i dont know. like i said though, payback's a b-tch.

[minime]

I was at the game, it was classless and I agree- paybacks are a B-----
And by the way Wooster's first string D was on the sideline.

[wally_wabash]

I was at the game, too.  I won't deny you that it wasn't necessary to throw the ball downfield in that situation and it probably wasn't necessary to score there.  But this "woe is me" stuff I think is a bit over the top.  I really think you're overreacting here because, as you said, this wasn't a situation where the score was 60 something or more to nothing. 

I'll say this again...it was the backup qb who gets to throw a single pass every game.  Again, I don't think the deep receiver was the primary target on that play, he's just the guy that happened to be wide open.  If that touchdown is what Wooster needs to get motivated to play championship level football, so be it.  But like I said, our teams shouldn't need something like that to get the motor jumpstarted. 

I didn't want to have to go here, but I'm going to have to now.  The fact is that Wooster had gotten embarassed in that game well before Huff threw that touchdown pass.  If you want to read a bunch of ill will into that play and if that somehow makes the pill a little easier to swallow, be my guest.  But it really isn't nearly as big a deal as you would have us believe. 

Wooster is going to need quite a bit more than the "remember the Huff TD" rallying cry to exact revenge next season.  The talent gap between the two teams right now is pretty significant...Wooster's got a lot of ground to make up before such bulletin board psychological tactics are going to make a significant difference. 

[DarkSide-D]

I am pretty confident that wooster will NEVER be saying "remember that Huff pass?"!  When Woo plays Bash (even Witt) the name of those two programs are typically enough to get the blood boiling of a Woo fan, (and hopefully the Woo players).  I don't agree that Woo was embarassed before that play.  Myself, and some Bash faithful, have agreed that Woo played fairly well in the first half.  They drove the ball, but simply could not punch the ball in the end zone.

I won't rehash the fact that the Woo squad is young, I believe that card has been played enough this year (even after some Woo victories). 

Do I think the pass was classless?  To be honest, no.  The simple fact is that that particular Woo player should not have been beaten deep.  Especially since that player returns kickoffs and punts.  I assume that he holds those positions because he has some decent speed.  Perhaps that particular play should not have been called on the part of Bash's coaching staff.  But I am sure Woos staff is not worried about the pass, they are worried about the fact they got beat deep.  At least, that is where their priorities should be, in my humble opinion.

Lastly, I want to reitirate,  I do not believe Woo will claim redemption as motivation for next season.  As long as I have been a part of Woo, Woo football as always held a desire to beat up on the two Red teams from the West. 

[BashBacker#16]

Are we really discussing a play from the Wooster/Wabash blowout nearly a week ago?  Anyone ever think that Huff checked out at the line of scrimmage???  Not sure but that is a possibility.  I think it is funny that Rabbi is reaching to drum something up from the game considering Wabash completely crushed Wooster in all phases...so we erase the 47 yard towndown pass...Bash still rolled 600+ yards of total offense on the Scots.  All this talk about paybacks is funny too - that's scary.  Do you realize nearly the entire WR crew returns - you'll see Green, Russell, Banach, Walker, Guererro, Nelson - all next year too!  Turn the page...

Speaking of Huff (QB) and the medical redshirt stuff, he technically has 2 years of eligibility left if he wanted to play a 5th year - not sure if that will happen.

On to Wabash/Witt...the whole key will be the Bash run D vs. Murray.  If Bash shuts him down...that triggers many aspects of the game.  Can they???  Rain or shine, I cannot see Air Harbaugh & Co. not putting points up on the Tiger D.  Bash has too much talent and too many options.

[gobash]

I was at the game, it was classless and I agree- paybacks are a B-----
And by the way Wooster's first string D was on the sideline.

Guess they should've left the first string in then, huh?  This is a non-issue.

[Li'l Giant]

Wabash, Witt, Kenyon and OWU are playing games in two days that will almost certainly decide who our representative to the playoffs is and we're talking about the last scoring play of a lopsided game from last week?

Seriously, Wooster fans please don't think for a second Wabash (coach fans players) wanted to disprespect you on your own field. Is that really what you think the motivation behind that play was?

Please, lets move on to something else.

[wally_wabash]

Thanks for being rational, DD.  Karma for you. 

And I'm sorry I missed your tailgate on Saturday.  I would have loved to stop to by...I didn't get to campus until right at kickoff, so I missed any and all tailgating fun Saturday a.m.  Some in my traveling party weren't exactly early risers. 

[nike]

I have been attending Wooster games for over ten years. I support the team and the school.
Wabash was not at all "classless" last week. They just beat the snot out of Wooster.
Just last year, Wooster outscored Kenyon, Hiram and Oberlin
202 to 34. That's right. 202 to34!  Doesn't matter how they scored or when they scored last.  That is a heck of a point  differential. But it is just a game. Next year no one will remember who scored last.

[kenyonkid]

the GCC isn't great, but it's just sorta there- nothing really going on.  Not so much a dive as it is a barren place.

It looks nice from the field, though.

[DarkSide-D]

Yeah wally, I was a lil bit late seeing as how I didn't get there til about 10-11 oclock.  My boys though were out there starting at 8 in the morn.

What is your point about that point differential last year Nike.  That is a huge differential, but Kenyon definately wasn't making the run they are this year.  Hiram was typical Hiram and Woos last stringers were in by the Half.  Oberlin however, I can say that was a lil payback for how they humiliated Woo the year before.  And yes, it was a humiliation.  Somewhat like Kenyon was this year.  (Kenyon folks, dont think I am taking away from the programs accomplishments this year.  They are doing great and I hope they win out.  Heck, if they do, and Woo does as well, we can say Woo only lost to the eventual co-champs!   )  But for a team ranked as high as Woo to get snuck up on my Kenyon is humiliating.

The fact of the matter is though, Nike, you are right.  In a year from now, although I think it will be more like a couple years, no one will know who scored last.  Hell, except for those who play in those games, I think few will actually remember the score.

Li'l Giant,  I agree with you.  These games are in the past.  And unless someone employs their great North Coast educations to build a time machine, there isn't squat anyone can do about it.  Time to move on.  Bash Witt...I think Bash takes em, though it will be a knock down, drag out fight.  As a defensive guy myself, I think the D of Bash will win the day.  Kenyon OWU...I would love it if Kenyon wins this one, but I don't see it happening.  The Bishops aren't down like Gheny, and they wont get snuck up on like Woo and Gheny did.  I hate to break it to the Lords, but their secret is outta the bag.  They aren't a door mat anymore!

If both Kenyon and Bash end up with the Championship, I don't forsee Kenyon being sent to the Playoffs.  Yeah, it would be nice if we had two teams in, but for that to happen, Kenyon would have to get the AQ and Bash would take the Pool C.  This would be a bad Idea, because by some freak chance Bash might not make it in if they are left up to the Pool C bid.  And I think it is agreed that Kenyon has about a snowballs chance of getting the pool c.  All around, I think it is a bad idea to try for two teams, or to think of sending Kenyon.  I think Kenyon should take this season they are having as a great step in the right direction.  Use it to recruit for the future, and make the year after the next the year they go for the title and AQ.  Why the year after the next?  Because Next year is the Year of the Scots!!