FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[DarkSide-D]

Thats true smeds.  However, with the contract situation with the UAA, there is no possible way for the NCAC to play the OAC.  Yes, Case beat three NCAC teams, but lost to the fourth, and then went on to finish 3-7.  The only wins for Case all season were against the NCAC teams.  Sure, that doesn't sit well for the conference, but it doesnt help the team, Wooster, who did beat them.  Beyond that, the UAA is not the OAC.

I am sure an OAC team would be willing to play Bash in week 2.  Of course, I can see a complaint on the part of the OAC teams that their only non-con games would be eaten up by the NCAC.  Much as part of the arguement against the UAA-NCAC contract.  Hmmmmm...How about an 11 game season?  12 weeks instead of 11.  Wouldn't that be swell?

[Mr. Ypsi]

(the REAL Hobbes, not that 'dumbed down' version that most students are taught)

Yeah, the stuffed tiger, not that lame philosopher guy.

And that leads me to say this...Kenyon is the only other school in Division 3 that I am jealous of, and it's because they helped to produce Bill Waterson.

Much as I love Hobbes, the tiger, I was actually referring to that 'lame' philosopher guy!

Hobbes typically gets taught as giving up liberty to the state (Leviathon) since the natural state of man is 'nasty, brutish, and short'.  His actual argument is considerably more nuanced than that.  For a guy who has been dead for 300 years, he makes an exceedingly good case for what democracy OUGHT to be, and so rarely is!

But, yes, gobash, three cheers for Sam Waterson - I rue the day he retired!  One of the greatest comics of all time!

[Li'l Giant]

My opposition to the NCAC/UAA agreement wasn't based on the quality of the opponents rather because I'd like to see us play some regional schools we haven't played before, or not played in some time. Sure it would be cool to get an OAC team on the schedule. Or Hanover for a couple of years. Or a CCIW school we haven't seen before. I just didn't like the idea of locking up our schedule.

Mr. Ypsi:

Bill Watterson did "Calvin & Hobbes". Sam Waterston is on "Law & Order". 

[kcreds]

I just thought I would comment on the recent posts because I haven't had much to talk about lately.

I find it interesting that some of the OAC teams have a JV team with a JV schedule. I think that helps them stay competitive and with that said, OWU did play Muskingum's JV and ONU's JV. I am proud to say, OWU won both convincingly. I am not saying that OWU would beat those teams in Varsity games but it does give us hope that we are on the right track. I for one was happy OWU even played JV games.

I have commented several times what a rivalry it would be to have OWU play Oberlin each year. Just don't see it happening.

Good luck to the OAC in the playoffs.

Almost forgot, Hey Wally, OWU has some pretty good talent coming back next year so IMO they will do just fine.

[DarkSide-D]

How about we add a game at the end of the season...second place working our way down.  NCAC v. OAC.  Give the kids one more crack.  Of course, this would take the champions, and possible the second place teams if they made it in out of the equation.  But hopefully they meet in the playoffs.  Oh well, heres to wishful thinking.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Mr. Ypsi:

Bill Watterson did "Calvin & Hobbes". Sam Waterston is on "Law & Order". 

OOPS!

And I have copies of every "Calvin and Hobbes" book ever issued!

Sorry Bill.  

Though since you've collected all those royalties, I bet you'll forgive me!

[DarkSide-D]

Hey any Witt posters,

I have been wondering something about your team all season, but never got around to posting this question.  What ever happened to Kyle Krumlauf and Wade Laugherty.  Those two guys are from Mount Vernon, and Wade started the 04 season at mid linebacker.  But this year I didn't see their names on the roster.  What happened to them, if you know?

[jdean]

Take Cap next year.  where will they be without their stud QB? 

Hate to burst your bubble but Pentello has another year of eligibility. But they will have to rebuild alot of the rest of their team.

As to JV teams, Wooster has scheduled Mount for several years
and the game is always cancelled by Wooster. I'm told the reason given is their squad is too small.

[HScoach]

I seem to recall on more than one occasion, where the NCAC representative had given MUC all they could handle in the playoffs. 

Scotsfan.  You're right since you mentioned "more than once".  In fact, it's exactly 2.  Since the MUC run began in 1992, there have been 2 times where the NCAC team gave MUC a real battle.  Both of them were in the 90's when O'Keefe was still at Allegheny and these games were among the toughest MUC played the entire year.  There was a 3rd close game with Witt in 1998 with Goldsburry at MLB, but every MUC playoff game and 4 of the regular season games were nail-biters,  so Witt '98 doesn't stand out.   2 games in 14 years hardly seems like much!

Nothing better than bringing FACTS into an idiotic arguement!


You should go back to the "we're smarter" arguement.  You're better at that.

[ScotsFan]

The point I was trying to make FACT man was based on some of the lame arguments being put out there yesterday by your fellow MUC supporters about how CAP must not have played their "A" game last week against Wabash, but they suddenly brought it out against MUC.  That could be the ONLY reasonalbe explaination as to why CAP was able to hang with MUC yesterday after barely getting over on Wabash last week.  That could be the ONLY reasonable explaination as to why CAP was able to march all over MUC's mighty defense to the tune of 31 points and could only manage a meager 14 against Wabash! 

The same could be said of Carthage last year when Wooster shut down the vaunted Redmen rushing attack to under 50 yds, and the following week MUC surrendered over 150 yds. on the ground.  Are those OK facts for you?!  I suppose Carthage just stepped it up a notch because they were playing MUC as well?! 

I just think its pretty pathetic that you MUC fans just assume that when a team gives MUC any sort of game, after struggling against an NCAC opponent, its because they stepped it up for MUC or they just didn't have their best game against the NCAC opponent.  That's all I'm saying!

Oh, and then you bring out the always popular blame game of "we're smarter"?!  You brought it up this time!!!

[DarkSide-D]

You are correct JDean.  Wooster does have a jv squad.  But since I have been a part of the Wooster program, they have had to cancel some of the jv games due to injuries.  Of course, not all programs can have as many bodies as Mount to just throw at the injury problem.

[crusader26]

The point I was trying to make FACT man was based on some of the lame arguments being put out there yesterday by your fellow MUC supporters about how CAP must not have played their "A" game last week against Wabash, but they suddenly brought it out against MUC.  That could be the ONLY reasonalbe explaination as to why CAP was able to hang with MUC yesterday after barely getting over on Wabash last week.  That could be the ONLY reasonable explaination as to why CAP was able to march all over MUC's mighty defense to the tune of 31 points and could only manage a meager 14 against Wabash! 

The same could be said of Carthage last year when Wooster shut down the vaunted Redmen rushing attack to under 50 yds, and the following week MUC surrendered over 150 yds. on the ground.  Are those OK facts for you?!  I suppose Carthage just stepped it up a notch because they were playing MUC as well?! 

I just think its pretty pathetic that you MUC fans just assume that when a team gives MUC any sort of game, after struggling against an NCAC opponent, its because they stepped it up for MUC or they just didn't have their best game against the NCAC opponent.  That's all I'm saying!

Oh, and then you bring out the always popular blame game of "we're smarter"?! You brought it up this time!!!

IMO, the reason why NCC & WC was able to hang with CAP was b/c of the 5 turnovers they had against NCC, and the fact they were able to rely so heavily on their defense and able to control the clock and rely on their efficiency with their offense.  Not to take anything away from NCC or WC, as they both deserved to be in the playoffs, but I think that Cap could have beat them more convincingly, if needed.  I think that Cap played both teams 10 times each, they beat them both 9 out of 10 times.  Cap can open up their offense when needed, but with a defense like the one they had this year, they didn't need to.  If WC was able to put some points on the board prior to the 4th Quarter, it would have been fun to watch, because I think Pentello was the better of the QB's.  But, I could be wrong, as this is just my opinion.  I've watched WC & NCC play once, vs. watching Cap play every game the past three years.  I would take Pentello any day of the week that ends in "Y"!

[ravishingrabbi]

jdean - picture it, mount union stadium on a monday night in october, 1999. wooster brings a roster of about 40 players for a JV game at mount. mount has so many players that they literally have to send people home at halftime in order to have enough jerseys.

final score: wooster 13, mount union 10.

guess it wasn't cancelled that year.

in general though, it's a little easier to play a full JV schedule when you bring in over 100 kids a year as opposed to 30 or 40.

[smedindy]

Wabash plays about five or six JV games a year. This year, the JV went 2-2-1 against Millikin, Franklin, Anderson and DePauw (twice).

Crusader - you obviously haven't seen Harbaugh every game this year. All I can say is that he was a tick off against Capital, and if he could have connected on one of the five passes when the receiver was in the clear behind the D it'd be a different story.

I think Cap and Wabash would split a series 5-5.

[DarkSide-D]

crusader,

How can you legitimately claim that the only reason Team A was able to hang with Team B is because of the turnovers by Team B.  Wouldn't Team A have something to do with the turnovers by Team B.  There is a reason they call turnovers takeaways.  The Defense took the ball away from the offense.  So, apparently, NCC did in fact hang with Cap.

Also, if a given offense can open up the offense anytime they wish, why don't they.  They can do that without running up the score.  They can put enough points on the board to create a comfortable lead, then go into a grind out the clock conservative mode.  I personally wouldn't suggest that tactic though.  For example, Bash-Woo 04 and Woo-Witt 04.  Most people agree Woo went into a conservative mode after gaining a large lead.  That allows (or helps allow) good teams such as Witt Bash 04 to come back.