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[bashbrother]

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Neck injury anyone???   I made a tackle like that once...never did it again....

[uknowme2]

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Neck injury anyone???   I made a tackle like that once...never did it again....

My thoughts exactly.

GO TIGERS!!!

[KC]

Let's hope this does not happen.......it is absolutely not fair.  That is why it is really irritating when they go on and on about being so good, (KC)
but  Woo, Witt and Bash  always have to play everyone.

Who has been going on and on about Kenyon being so good?  They have a good to very good offense to go with a mediocre defense right now, and I haven't seen anybody claim otherwise.  To simply not allow them any chance at the playoffs because of their weak schedule would be "absolutely not fair" to the players, since they didn't make the schedule, they didn't make the decision to drop from the conference (none of them were even there back then).

[uknowme2]

Let's hope this does not happen.......it is absolutely not fair.  That is why it is really irritating when they go on and on about being so good, (KC)
but  Woo, Witt and Bash  always have to play everyone.

Who has been going on and on about Kenyon being so good?  They have a good to very good offense to go with a mediocre defense right now, and I haven't seen anybody claim otherwise.  To simply not allow them any chance at the playoffs because of their weak schedule would be "absolutely not fair" to the players, since they didn't make the schedule, they didn't make the decision to drop from the conference (none of them were even there back then).

But they knew going in that they don't play the elite teams of the conference.  So they made that decision and I wouldn't feel sorry for them if they didn't get a shot at the playoffs because they don't play the entire schedule. 

GO TIGERS!

[Li'l Giant]

they don't play the entire schedule.

Every conference that doesn't have a round robin has one team that gets a "lighter" schedule than others. There is some argument to that regard in the Big Ten and Big XII just about every year.

They will play the entire schedule the conference set for them this year. Either we accept that or we go to a full schedule round-robin like the OAC and remove all doubt. I'd rather not have that because I like playing more than one non-conference game.

[WallyFS4]

Li'l Giant

I agree with what your saying, but we have not played Kenyon since the 02' season.  Sorry I can't get on board with Kenyon winning any conference when they get to pick and choose who they play.  Even if it was for only 2 years.  It seems to me that they made a deal to come back to the conference 2 years ago, if the conference would make sure they did not have to play the powers for a few years.

If anyone should get to pick their schedule.  It should be Hiram.  Not really.  Either your in the NCAC or your not.  As far as I concerned, Kenyon should of been dropped from the conference.  Great school, BS athletic policies.  As always.

WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS!

[wabashcpa]

Think there will be any frustrations taken out on Oberlin this weekend?  Looks like we're in a spoiler role this year. 

I also think all teams in a conference should play each other if possible.  So for us, 9 conference games and the Bell game.  The issue could be teams from smaller conferences scrambling to find games, but that could also be incentive to grow those conferences to eliminate that problem.  For example, the SCAC has expanded their football-playing membership by two, and will have 9 teams next year.  Of course, their travel schedule is murder (and adding Colorado College won't make it any easier), but it will definitely help their game scheduling.

[KC]

Does anyone really think Kenyon would have beaten Wabash or Witt that year?  I might be wrong, but I don't think this year's schedule would be any different. 

The point is don't blame the kids or staff at Kenyon for what happened before they got there.  No one on the current team or staff had anything to do with that decision.  Blame the AD if you want, but you can't expect much from a guy who has a swimming background and came from an all girls school.  It isn't their fault, so it would be unfair to hold it against them.    Even if Kenyon was put on some sort of probation period on its return to the conference, that probably would be up by now.  None of this matters unless Kenyon wins out, and I doubt too many people out there would bet on that happening anyway.

[ADL70]

Will you EVER stop BASHing Kenyon?  I thought we put this horse to rest long ago.
One year they picked who to play and dropped Witt and Bash.  The 2004-2007 was made by the conference.  None of us knows what went into the makeup of that schdule.  You'll finally get to play them again in 2008.  In 2003 Kenyon was much worse than Hiram (27 pts worse).  Maybe the schedule should have been revised after 2005, but it was set up for four years. If there were a full round robin you'd be complaining about playing Hiram, Oberlin, and Kenyon every year instead of playing HCAC and MIAA teams.  Those are sentiments that have already been express about the UAA scheduling.

If the 6-1 log jam is still possible then the Keyon-Oberlin and Witt-Allegheny may be co-GOW!!

If any school doesn't belong in the NCAC it's Wabash (No women in a conference founded upon equality for women in athletics).

[wally_wabash]

If any school doesn't belong in the NCAC it's Wabash (No women in a conference founded upon equality for women in athletics).

You're WAY off base there, chief.  The NCAC knew what Wabash was about when they elected to bring us in (note, THEY elected to bring us in...we didn't come here uninvited).  If you start running your yap about Wabash and equality, that's an argument you will NEVER win.  You'll do well for yourself to derail that train of thought immediately.

[ADL70]

In response to suggestion that Kenyon should have been booted, just noting who is least like the rest.  Not saying you don't belong.  But this Kenyon bashing is waaay old news. 

Li'l Giant has the right perspective.

[wally_wabash]

Not saying you don't belong. 

Oh really?

If any school doesn't belong in the NCAC it's Wabash (No women in a conference founded upon equality for women in athletics).

[Li'l Giant]

If anyone should get to pick their schedule.  It should be Hiram.  Not really.  Either your in the NCAC or your not.  As far as I concerned, Kenyon should of been dropped from the conference.  Great school, BS athletic policies.

Why is this such a hard thing to accept? We don't play a round-robin. There has to be SOME way of determining who plays whom. Power rankings make sense. Wabash doesn't get the benefit of playing against the two bottom teams. Does anyone think that's unfair? Of course not. Like it or not that's how our conference does it.

We have three options: (1) accept this is how it is and move on, (2) go to a 9 game conference round-robin schedule or (3) drop some teams and go to a round robin.

Since I can't make (2) or (3) happen, I vote for (1).

[Mr. Ypsi]

Lighten up on Kenyon!  You're just lucky they didn't kick you ALL out years ago based on your swimming teams!

I refer to the swimming nationals as "The Annual Meet To See Who Is Second-Best THIS Year".

More seriously, any team CONSISTENTLY avoiding the perennial top teams is not kosher.  Leagues (including d1) who do not play a full round-robin rotate every couple of years.  It allows for unfairness (I believe Purdue missed both Michigan and Ohio State the previous two years, but blew their chance), but there is probably no alternative except a full round-robin (which would make some leagues virtual NESCACs).

[ADL70]

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