FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[kcreds]

Let me try to put an end to this bickering, Witt will win the conference, enough said.

[Pat Coleman]

Not saying you don't belong. 

Oh really?

If any school doesn't belong in the NCAC it's Wabash (No women in a conference founded upon equality for women in athletics).

What part of the word IF don't you understand?

[Superfoot Wallace]

This was probably Witts biggest win since Allegheny 97 or at least the playoff game in Texas a few years back.  Either way, the Tigers are playing some quality football.

Biggest concern going into this segment of the season, given the current record and the prospects for a conference championship and playoff bid, should really be the progress of the underclassmen.  Not just in football, but in the classroom.

Looks like the coaches in Springfield have conditioned the guys to the point where theyve gotten their legs back, maybe its time to start pushing the academics for the remainder of the semester.  If theyre conditioned mentally, physically and psychologicaly this deep into the season, then theyre not going to unlearn it.  Keepem runnin and liftin, pump the academics and best of all keep it fun.

Kenyon backing into a playoff spot should be no concern for this group of Tigers.  If theyre the best team in the NCAC, thenthe playoffs will take care of themselves, but will be nice to put a ring on this group of seniors.

Continue with the good work Thundercats, and hope to see a breakneck pace for the Fall Academic All Tiger Team.

best regards,
Seven Lords a Leapin

[lbennett]

Hey everyone.  I first want to tell you how entertaining the "posting war" is every weekend.  I love to see the posts pre and post game time.  It is great!  Just wanted to add a quick note over the championship debate.  First off I personally think it is too early to worry about 3 and 4 way ties, well i guess it is never TOO early, but really let's let some things play out.  With that said though I don't know who should win.  Neither Wabash or Witt took charge of the game last weekend, Witt/wooster was not enough to have me picking a NCAC champion yet, we know it is going to be interesting.  However I am willing to say that regardless of policy Kenyon does not have a place in this debate.  We all know that students go to college for many reasons.  D-1 athletes go to college for sports and a scholarship, D-3 athletes go to college for the love of the game and social experience (in addition to education of course).  When a student is selecting a college they look at what fits them best.  Kenyon is a great school, but it you want to go to college "to play football" in the NCAC you DON'T go to Kenyon.  Some of their players are probably good, but if they had the true competitive spirit they would thrive on the challenge of playing the tougher teams.  Earlier posters mention that the students there now didn't pick the schedule, but they did go on a college visit and they knew the school they were going to was not promising in the field of football.  Congrats Kenyon you won a few games.  Continue to recruit maybe in 10 years your program will have a different story but right now you should not represent the NCAC and I hate to say that if you do you'll get what is coming to you and i don't think it will be pretty.  Give it time to develop.  the time is just not now.

[wabashcpa]

It will all work itself out in the end - it did last year, and it will this year. 

Wittenberg is in the driver's seat, and should win out and represent the NCAC this year.

Wooster needs to win out to have a Pool C shot.  If Wabash beats Wooster, then we're only having one conference representative this year.

[uknowme2]

I don't really think that Kenyon's playing a weaker schedule is that big of a deal.  I think the big deal is if they would win a conference championship and represent the NCAC on the national stage.  It would be an embarrassment to all the teams in the NCAC, not only to Kenyon football.  They aren't ready for the national stage. 

However, it is nice to see them getting better and hopefully they can keep up the good work in recruiting.  It should be a lot easier to convince players to come there with their new facilities.  Let's not forget how bad Wooster was years ago.  Maybe Kenyon can do the same thing.

GO TIGERS!!!

[Observer]

In response to lbennett, the NCAC not only was created to provide equity for womens athletics but also to provide a home for schools that had a very similiar academic evironment to include selectivity.  While you bash Kenyon and say they dont have a place in this discussion, let us first say that they do.  First of all, the schools that you mention dont hold a candle to Kenyon academically.  Look it up.  They aren't nearly as selective as Kenyon but they compete with them under a false premise.  Witt, Woo, the Bash, you really just need a pulse to get in, that's fine everybody needs an opportunity, but if they aren't with the academic standards that the league is supposed to stand for, go back to the OAC or the HCAC and play with the other folks who dont necessarily care about academics to the extend that schools like Kenyon do.  Secondly, these teams have won the NCAC sure, but in recent times, they've won NOTHING on the national scene.  NCAC's supposed best team played Capital a few weeks ago and were summarily embarassed.  What's the big deal, I dont see why there is such a discussion because it's obvious that all of these teams are mediocure at best when compared to the elite in D3.
Lastly, if a kid is going to any D3 college because he's a "football player" then in all likelyhood he's an idiot.
If you've really observed D3 football you'll find that those kids are there for the experience, none of them can really play.  If they could, they'd be on scholarship somewhere .  In addition, you'd see a whole lot more of them on Sunday's getting paid.  They'd be better served to go and get an education and develop their skills for life, like those kids at Kenyon do.

[wally_wabash]

If you've really observed D3 football you'll find that those kids are there for the experience, none of them can really play.  

This might be the single most ignorant thing I've ever read on this board.  We've reached a new low.  Thanks, Observer. 

[scotty]

In response to lbennett, the NCAC not only was created to provide equity for womens athletics but also to provide a home for schools that had a very similiar academic evironment to include selectivity.  While you bash Kenyon and say they dont have a place in this discussion, let us first say that they do.  First of all, the schools that you mention dont hold a candle to Kenyon academically.  Look it up.  They aren't nearly as selective as Kenyon but they compete with them under a false premise.  Witt, Woo, the Bash, you really just need a pulse to get in, that's fine everybody needs an opportunity, but if they aren't with the academic standards that the league is supposed to stand for, go back to the OAC or the HCAC and play with the other folks who dont necessarily care about academics to the extend that schools like Kenyon do.  Secondly, these teams have won the NCAC sure, but in recent times, they've won NOTHING on the national scene.  NCAC's supposed best team played Capital a few weeks ago and were summarily embarassed.  What's the big deal, I dont see why there is such a discussion because it's obvious that all of these teams are mediocure at best when compared to the elite in D3.
Lastly, if a kid is going to any D3 college because he's a "football player" then in all likelyhood he's an idiot.
If you've really observed D3 football you'll find that those kids are there for the experience, none of them can really play.  If they could, they'd be on scholarship somewhere .  In addition, you'd see a whole lot more of them on Sunday's getting paid.  They'd be better served to go and get an education and develop their skills for life, like those kids at Kenyon do.

your post is "mediocure"...

[cufan]

Please tell me Kenyon College has someone better to represent the University.

[Observer]

It's the truth Wally.  Face facts, if they were good, they'd be on scholarship.  Why can't you see that.  It's fun to watch, great to be there, but it's not on tv.  If the Bash were really cookin', GameDay Live would've been in Crawfordsville for the Allegheny game.  Be real, it's not ignorant, it's the truth.  If one of the kids on any of these rosters had been offered a scholarship anywhere, they wouldn't be in the NCAC.
Quit fooling yourself or quit acting like you know football if you can't come to that conclusion.

The post may be mediocure, but it's clearly the truth.  I'll get back to work and let you gentlemen continue to indulge in your high level conversation.  It's difficult for me to interact with such esteemed representatives of the respective fine colleges.

[lbennett]

Observer, you make some good points...but they are the same points that I am making, so at least we now know that you didn't go to KC or you would have recieved that stellar education that showed you how to understand content when you read.  My point exactly kids go to Kenyon to recieve quality education- Not because they are good at football.  Kids go to other NCAC schools to get a well rounded education, to learn more about their sports, to develope socially and to go to class.  Believe it or not they have realized that there is more to life that just reading.  
You say that if anyone went to school to play football they would go D-1 but that is where you are wrong.  Many students are very good football players but might be slightly undersized or have a bit slower 40 time.  It doesn't mean that thay are no good, it just means thay would reather see playing time for 4 years rather than wait for a NFL prospect to play out his carreer first.
As I said, also, i don't see a clear winner yet for the NCAC and I love how equal some of our schools are.  If they were all like that including KC it would only make the season that much more interesting.  Lets hope they get better, but lets not go on and call any of these students idiots, KC WOO and Witt all had players make Academic all district, not just KC and besides aren't we all here to discuss football and the conference (the point of my first post) lets leave the name calling to the student sections at the games and thier silly chants.

[scotty]

It's the truth Wally.  Face facts, if they were good, they'd be on scholarship.  Why can't you see that.  It's fun to watch, great to be there, but it's not on tv.  If the Bash were really cookin', GameDay Live would've been in Crawfordsville for the Allegheny game.  Be real, it's not ignorant, it's the truth.  If one of the kids on any of these rosters had been offered a scholarship anywhere, they wouldn't be in the NCAC.
Quit fooling yourself or quit acting like you know football if you can't come to that conclusion.

The post may be mediocure, but it's clearly the truth.  I'll get back to work and let you gentlemen continue to indulge in your high level conversation.  It's difficult for me to interact with such esteemed representatives of the respective fine colleges.

another "mediocure" post...

[Li'l Giant]

Not saying you don't belong. 

Oh really?

If any school doesn't belong in the NCAC it's Wabash (No women in a conference founded upon equality for women in athletics).

What part of the word IF don't you understand?

IF anyone here is a jerk, it's Pat.

Does that little "if" make that any less insulting?

Witt, Woo, the Bash, you really just need a pulse to get in, that's fine everybody needs an opportunity, but if they aren't with the academic standards that the league is supposed to stand for, go back to the OAC or the HCAC and play with the other folks who dont necessarily care about academics to the extend that schools like Kenyon do. 

Wow. Just wow. I thought we were all in agreement that playing the "academic card" was asinine. I guess someone missed the memo.

[kcreds]

Someone near and dear to me turned down DII athletic scholarships to go DIII on academic scholarships. I guess that makes him an idiot and not a very good player. What a joke those posts were. It is fun to read posts from people that don't have a clue, then again some people say I don't have a clue. It is all good, for a laugh.