FB: North Coast Athletic Conference

[wabashcpa]

I'm taking it as a very, very good sign that annoying false start penalties is the thing that's bugging LG fans right now.  When I think about the laundry list of concerns that I had about a team adjusting to a new coaching staff, a new offense, and a new defense.....worrying about illegal procedure is a relief.   

Agreed - basically, I see a lot of potential in this group to have a big year, and I don't want to see a lack of discipline come back to bite us in the rump and keep us from maximizing our ability to win games.

[Superfoot Wallace]

Hiram undefeated?  Terrible Terriers?  Puppy Power!!!

Kenyon left it all on the field two weeks ago at UofC.  This Hadron Collider would have fewer glitches were we to get a Hiram-UofC match later in the year; however, we NCAC-UAA interested do get a barometer with Denison and Oberlin as opponents in common.  Without arguing wave and particle theory, the Yeomen and Big Red don't square off this season.

Assuming the Westminster (Pa) guys took offense to MacLeod's not elite derogation.  First, wrong Westminster.  Second, wasn't meant as a derogation.  Only truths to be gleaned here:  WasUStL is a stern test and all Westminster's are not the same. 

Springfield Tigers, Missouri Tigers, Springfield Missouri... okay, okay... rambling.  Anybody see the Hat go for the jugular against Auburn?

This Allegheny squad doesn't break and doesn't appear to bend much either... they will be hard to defeat.  Oberlin must show resolve to keep this ship afloat.  No keelhauling Hector, the Spartans sandwiched between a pair of anvils.

A 6-2 showing reveals much about the Gators...  Not quite as on point as a 3-2 Mississipi State-Alabama tilt, but what to make of a 16-8 score?

Now, for THE Tigers...  Coach Fincham's post game interview intimated that mistakes were too numerous to count.  There's a sig line out there in the d3boards world that says, "When you lose say nothing, when you win say even less."  Having the opportunity to watch the games over the internet, could comment on a few things... but won't.  Just one thing,  knocks on here over the course of the offseason or at the end of the last season regarding sportsmanship...  problem assessed, problem addressed.  Had/have Apollo 13 style, found that razor's edge, now walk it and gleam that cube.  Nothing less.

Now, with a (ahem) Delaware, Ohio Wing T on deck; waaay back in my coaching days our tight end's birddog got hit by a truck and we had to change our practice schedule preparing to leave two-a-days that the boys could deal with the loss.  Back when I was on campus at Witt we had a couple dog personalities around campus:  A Rottweiler that road a skateboard, a big ol female yellow lab that belonged to our Lacrosse captain, this Jack Russel Terrier from the town that followed the guys to watercolors class and Indie dog.  You're my boy, Blue.

signed,
Scobee Scobee Doo

[bashbrother]

Wabash wins and drops a spot in the D3 poll to #8.  I have to say I don't have a problem with this.  Anyone who watched the first qtr. of the game on Saturday might agree too.  Chicago moved the ball too well against our D early.  Really until they lost their top RB.  Without the pick right before the half, it's only 14-0 at the break.  The LG's came out in the 2nd half and played much better all around football.

This team will continue to grow and get better.  The Gheny, WashU & Witt stretch of games should really give us a glimpse of what this team is all about.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Wabash wins and drops a spot in the D3 poll to #8.  I have to say I agree with this.  Anyone who watched the first qtr. of the game on Saturday might agree too.  Chicago moved the ball too well against our D early.  Really until they lost their top RB.  Without the pick right before the half, it's only 14-0 at the break.  The LG's came out in the 2nd half and played much better all around.

This team will continue to grow and get better.  The Gheny, WashU & Witt stretch of games should really give us a glimpse of what this team is all about.

Well, as a non-Wheaton (the team that passed you) but CCIW guy, I was surprised.  Wheaton's big jump (#17 to #10) came from beating then-#5 Bethel; since they have now dropped entirely out of the top 25 with a second loss, I thought voters might be given pause.  Apparently a 'monkey-stomp' of CUW was more impressive than a 'monkey-stomp' of Chicago.

Or did voters get tape of the Wheaton/Wabash scrimmage, and Wheaton 'won'?

[aueagle]

Taking the first 3 games of each season from 2003-2008 (0-2 in '08)
The Bishops are 3-14.....Same scenario: 2006-2008: Bishops are 0-8.
Total points in 2008: 9
nike: I don't think anybody on this board likes the OWU "O"...I've never been a big fan of it. Regarding Hymes....he is healthy. The guy is from football rich Massillon Washington HS...Steve bleeds football. Let's just say the focus now, is the men on the field.
Li'l Giant: What's going on in Delaware? I spoke of  this 4-5 seasons ago.
Key area's need to be addressed...I'll expand on it this week...
wally: Impasse?

[Kansas_kid]

Hello all
New to the D3 boards. There is alot to look at.
Been reading the posts here and glad to see most are backed up with facts. So I,ll be in trouble lol.
I,ll be cheering fore DENISON  fore seasons to come. 2 games under our belt 1-1 so far. Felt we did well with Wabash consider their Rep. They did not stop and neither did we. The freshman center did well as far as I could see.You LIL GAINTS will do well this seasons.
Wooster is next fore us. So I have more research to do.
Go BIG RED

[BashBacker#16]

Bashbro -

So now the pollsters should consider "slow starts," or the fact that Chicago "moved the ball" before Marks' injury - rather then a 49-7 FINAL score?  I don't really buy your logic there bro.  Sorry man, had to comment on that one.  Not a big deal but I was a bit surprised to see the jumps and drops with this week's poll.  Excellent point on Bethel's 2nd loss in the young season.

Unless I missed seeing it (viewer feedback), how was the Teamline broadcast of the Wabash game?

Does anyone know the re-broadcast information for the local Indianapolis area?

[Geezer Citizen]

Like so many, I also left C'ville at haltime. I tried the video stream, but the audio was running two minutes ahead of the video. I hope they correct this problem, because I found it extremely frustrating.

[wally_wabash]

Wabash's poll vote totals in 2008:

Preseason: 321
Week 1: 364
Week 2: 405
Week 3: 421

So Wabash fell one spot in the ranking, but they are still picking up points.  The voters certainly aren't abandoning the LGs.  As long as Wabash keeps winning, the vote totals will keep increasing. 

Has anybody looked at Chicago's drive chart?  12 possessions, 9 of them were 3 (or less) and out.  What more can you ask from a defense? 

aueagle....impasse indeed.  I hope the winds of change are starting to pick up over there in Delaware.  Every year we hear the same thing from people who play OWU.  They have a really good defense, but that offense just can't get out of its own way.  Something has to change because the status quo just isn't getting it done and, as you've said many times here, OWU should be a lot better than this. 

[usee]

Wabash's poll vote totals in 2008:

Preseason: 321
Week 1: 364
Week 2: 405
Week 3: 421

So Wabash fell one spot in the ranking, but they are still picking up points.  The voters certainly aren't abandoning the LGs.  As long as Wabash keeps winning, the vote totals will keep increasing. 
 

I agree Wally. I think the move by Wheaton is aggressive but the pollster certainly aren't comparing Wheaton to Wabash in voting, nor are they looking at stats in the 1st quarter of a game. Wheaton has 2 wins against decent opponents but has clearly shown it's weaknesses with inefficient offensive play. (remember the turnovers in the scrimmage?). Much of this will come out in the wash at the lates on Oct 25 when Wheaton hosts North Central.

Wabash wins and they will get votes and move up. This biggest impact of all this is the potential for the seedings in the playoffs as the fight for the #2 seed in the North is up for grabs. But that's a different committee entirely

[bashbrother]

Wabash's poll vote totals in 2008:  
Has anybody looked at Chicago's drive chart?  12 possessions, 9 of them were 3 (or less) and out.  What more can you ask from a defense? 

Wally -

I get your point and after further review, it really wasn't that bad, except the 1st drive...... Parks chewed up some pretty good yards on his first and only drive in the game with runs of 19,10 & 7.  10 play drive. with two 3rd downs and a missed field goal.  Chalk that one up to coming out a little flat.

I guess it all comes down to high expectations and with a new system and many new players in the mix, my post was a little bit of an over reaction.

Plus I was upset that my Cougs actually won on Saturday, dashing any hopes we had for the #1 pick in the next Spring's high school draft lottery.   


16 -

I either watched the stream without sound or I listened to the audio and watched the live stats.  But listening and watching the stream was a losing battle.  Who knows it may have been my DSL signal. (which is very possible)

[wally_wabash]

Wabash's poll vote totals in 2008:

Preseason: 321
Week 1: 364
Week 2: 405
Week 3: 421

So Wabash fell one spot in the ranking, but they are still picking up points.  The voters certainly aren't abandoning the LGs.  As long as Wabash keeps winning, the vote totals will keep increasing. 
 

I agree Wally. I think the move by Wheaton is aggressive but the pollster certainly aren't comparing Wheaton to Wabash in voting, nor are they looking at stats in the 1st quarter of a game. Wheaton has 2 wins against decent opponents but has clearly shown it's weaknesses with inefficient offensive play. (remember the turnovers in the scrimmage?). Much of this will come out in the wash at the lates on Oct 25 when Wheaton hosts North Central.

Wabash wins and they will get votes and move up. This biggest impact of all this is the potential for the seedings in the playoffs as the fight for the #2 seed in the North is up for grabs. But that's a different committee entirely

I expected Wheaton to jump way up....last week.  I think what happens (I've read this from columnists that talk about their polling philosophies) is that after the first few weeks of the season, it's not a bad idea to scrap your poll and start over from scratch instead of just adjusting teams up or down a little bit based on that week's results.  For the first couple of weeks, pollsters are guessing.  After 3-4 weeks you start to get a better idea of the landscape (you've got head-to-head results, common opponents, etc.)  and it's worth completely redoing your poll.  I would guess that some of the folks who have ballots for the top 25 here did just that this week which resulted in some teams moving around a bit more than we might have expected. 

Whatever the case, it's no big deal.  It's fun to see your team ranked in the top 10 but in the end, the AQ doesn't care where your team is ranked.   

[usee]

Wabash's poll vote totals in 2008:

Preseason: 321
Week 1: 364
Week 2: 405
Week 3: 421

So Wabash fell one spot in the ranking, but they are still picking up points.  The voters certainly aren't abandoning the LGs.  As long as Wabash keeps winning, the vote totals will keep increasing. 
 

I agree Wally. I think the move by Wheaton is aggressive but the pollster certainly aren't comparing Wheaton to Wabash in voting, nor are they looking at stats in the 1st quarter of a game. Wheaton has 2 wins against decent opponents but has clearly shown it's weaknesses with inefficient offensive play. (remember the turnovers in the scrimmage?). Much of this will come out in the wash at the lates on Oct 25 when Wheaton hosts North Central.

Wabash wins and they will get votes and move up. This biggest impact of all this is the potential for the seedings in the playoffs as the fight for the #2 seed in the North is up for grabs. But that's a different committee entirely

I expected Wheaton to jump way up....last week.  I think what happens (I've read this from columnists that talk about their polling philosophies) is that after the first few weeks of the season, it's not a bad idea to scrap your poll and start over from scratch instead of just adjusting teams up or down a little bit based on that week's results.  For the first couple of weeks, pollsters are guessing.  After 3-4 weeks you start to get a better idea of the landscape (you've got head-to-head results, common opponents, etc.)  and it's worth completely redoing your poll.  I would guess that some of the folks who have ballots for the top 25 here did just that this week which resulted in some teams moving around a bit more than we might have expected. 

Whatever the case, it's no big deal.  It's fun to see your team ranked in the top 10 but in the end, the AQ doesn't care where your team is ranked.   

agreed on all counts. we will know quite a bit more about Wheaton as they play Hope in Alliance this week. Hope has lost to 2 CCIW Schools (IWU and Carthage) and 1 WIAC school (UWEC). They were all losses but Wheaton's qb needs to show what the other 2 CCIW qb's did vs Hope and Wheaton's defense will reveal how good they are against Hopes veteran qb and receivers.

[Pat Coleman]

Bashbro -

So now the pollsters should consider "slow starts," or the fact that Chicago "moved the ball" before Marks' injury - rather then a 49-7 FINAL score?  I don't really buy your logic there bro.  

I doubt any voters noticed these things.

[wabco]

USEE

Don't believe Hope will be much of a Wheaton measure ... or measure on anything ... other than that the MIAA is and continues to be a weak conference.  I believe Wheaton will wax the Wooden Shoes ... but that is not an indicator of Wheaton's prowess, merely Hope's ineptness against strong out of conference foes.  I do not have Hope's records close at hand but, if memory serves, their record against non-conference the last several years borders on embarrassing ... then they go on to win the conference, get an automatic, and go home after the first game.  The cry in West Michigan is the monsters Grand Valley, Ferris, and other Div II take all the players.  I don't buy it ... but that is the story and the MIAA is sticking to it.