FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[formerd3db]

I suppose I could apply this to myself as well, however...are you guys "dead" in here now?  Some nice discussion up until this weekend, now nothing for two days!

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

Im still checking every day, but I havent had much to offer.  Ive kind off been waiting for someone to spark something.

[D306]

Funny

I was doing the same, checking but nothing to say RE: MIAA

I hope someone, anyone beats Mount Union only for the reason that I want it to be competitive in the league.

Has the College Football become completly political and all about money.
Look at this weekend and the comments from the various coachs begging for the NC shot, and the way LSU/Les M handles the U of M attempt to talk to LM.

Well the Lie-downs are officially dead, back to their old ways, did not even attempt to have a running game in the last several weeks. Defense getting run on like a HS team. So is our offensive coordinator the self proclaimed genius leaving or becoming the next head coach?

U of M pulling a Jan 1st game and Tebow well sorry Carr goes out with a loss. Tebow will have 2 TDs Running and 2 TDs throwing. Michigan can not handle the spread, and a athletic OB whom is bigger than some of the LBs is that much more of a problem.  Wish U of M had been asked to a lesser bowl, Carr and the seniors could Graduate on a good note.

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

D306:

They had a running game in the thanksgiving game, but the one thing that has never materialized is the "greatest show on turf"  Martz's passing game has been awful all year and he appears to refuse to want to use Calvin Johnson, even when Roy Williams goes down.  It makes no sense not to use him, all they had to say about him was how well he was picking up the playbook and how good he ran routes in training camp, I cant imagine thats stopped now.  The best thing the Lions this offseason will be to let Martz find the door and get himself another job, they have the talent now to run a real offense, not that cute mess he runs with 4 rushing attempts.  I wouldnt be to sad to see the Lions go after Derek Anderson this offseason either to shore up the QB position, sure it will probably cost them their 1st and 3rd round pick, but Millen would just waste those anyway, might as well get a very good young QB who is athletic and has the arm to throw to the talent the Lions have. Thats just my opinion on the mess that is the Lions.

I agree that U of M got a bad draw for their team against Florida, to much talent to many athletes and they wont be able to counter Tebow, who should be the hands down Heisman trophy winner if they actually want to give it to the best football player in the country.  U of M wouldve been better off in the Motor City, but now it looks like that senior class wont win a bowl game or beat OSU which is a shame for Jake Long and Henne, I dont much care about Hart though because he runs his mouth to much. 

[D306]

Dawg

I agree, I did not like the Martz hire.
He is full of himself. I swear he threw to Johnson 9 times in a row the other game just to piss people off because everyone said we do not throw enought to him.
then he ran 9 times in a row, because people  said we do not run enough.

I like the QB idea as Kitna, is going to be dead before this year is over. He gets to many hits and sacked to often. Martz's offense always has the QB on an island.
I have no problem throwing if it is like the Pat's quick slants, quick hooks vs. zone.
It is almost like running if executed correctly.

Do not think drafting Peterson would have made a running game in Detroit, it is mental make-up of Offense and the play calling not the talent, that holds them back.
Running is about mindset and toughness. The talent is not that much different all NFL lineman are tough, big and fast. Yes there is better players but that is not the major reason.

Wow looking at MU football roster.
Alot of out of state players, MUC football has created its own draw for football. While must MIAA schools are Education and local in the most part.

[bulldogalum]

You know, if any of you are looking for a new and exciting posting topic, I could paste the fact pattern for my complex litigation paper onto the board, and you guys could help me try to certify a class!

[Mr. Ypsi]

You know, if any of you are looking for a new and exciting posting topic, I could paste the fact pattern for my complex litigation paper onto the board, and you guys could help me try to certify a class!

Nice try!  But with Detroit looking for a pro football team, Michigan looking for a coach, GVSU looking for yet another title - not to mention various possible MIAA topics - I feel I would have no problem certifying a class (MIAA posters, with or w/o lurkers) to sue you for trying to pawn off your homework!

[bulldogalum]

good luck collecting damages.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Aye, there's the rub!  Though future earnings as a lawyer will presumably outstrip mine as a sociology grad student.   We can be patient on our pay-off. 8)

I don't recall where you're located (if you've said) - will you be a regular at AC games?  Since I used to make the run often for Ypsi-Adrian youth soccer games, perhaps I'll come to other than the Hope game this year and meet you?

[bulldogalum]

I'm actually in Ann Arbor, and I try to make it to every game I can.  I make it to most home games and several of the away games.  Feel free to let me know if you're going to be down in Lenawee County and I'll try to catch up with you.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Assuming you're at UM Law School, and gas prices being what they are, give me a call (I'm in the phone book, and used to post under my name 'c a bonney')  - with the student loans you're likely facing, you could use a break (and we'll be VERY patient on those damages)!

If you're at Ave Maria, give me a call anyway - we'll likely disagree on nearly everything, but it oughta be good conversation (and you could probably still use a break on gas money)!   (We retirees can be very flexible.)

Although no one else seems to be using the board, maybe you oughta PM me before someone chimes in "why don't you guys get a room"!

[DEACONBLUE]

Picking up on an earlier thread - "the challenges facing Kalamazoo College football"  let me elaborate (with social commentary) on another obstacle facing the Hornet program.  Here's one for the Stinger.

Back in my school days (late '60s-early '70's) the U of M games were filled, but a different crowd than today.  They seemed to be comprised of more students, alum, and locals.  The MAC (my conference) had trouble filling stadiums, and I was told MIAA attendance was often less than most high schools then.

Today, I've seen college football (even NFL) take on an almost "festival-like" quality.  They have become "events" beyond the game itself.  Popular culture has embraced the experience as a social obligation that has now attracted more fair-weather fans as well as the non-fans.  The NFL and D1 have witnessed the usual sell-out crowds followed by the second quarter exodus of  these social-fans seeking the comfort of resturants and bars with the satisfaction of "I was there".  This has been great financially for schools and their programs, though they have to enter the "arms race" of facilities to attract this new consumer...which in turn enhances recruiting.

Now, to Kalamazoo College.  Unfortunately, they are the only MIAA team that has to share their city with a D1 program - WMU (across the street).  In the other MIAA cities D3 is the "big game" in town.  WMU has gone wild with facilities and the successful marketing of the "big college game in town".  This has pulled away all the potential social-fans (as noted above) that would have been attracted to K-College games if it was the only college gig in town.  This leaves K-College with only a fan base of parents and alum.  To try to enter into a facilities competition with WMU would be futile.  I salute Kalamazoo College on their commitment to uphold a historic football program against unique challenges not found at other MIAA schools.  Long may they run.           

[Mr. Ypsi]

DeaconBlue,

Nice summary of the Kzoo challenge.  While at a different divisional-level, I'm sure you can now understand what I've been saying about EMU vs. U of M.

[formerd3db]

Deacon:

Ditto Mr. Ypsi's comments to yours i.e. nice summary.  I would just add that one of the problems at Kazoo has been the faculty as opposed to the administration.  The latter has supported the football program for a long time, seeing the overall value it adds to the educational experience for student-athletes, and not just those who are on the team.  From my "inside sources" associted with the school in one way or another that  I've talked to over recent years, general faculty non-support (although not all of the faculty as there are some that do value the fb program) has been a big drawback. 

However, I do not for one minute believe that Kazoo can't improve the program like Olivet did.  When you can still have over 4000 for your Homecoming fb game like Kazoo did just even 3 years ago, that says something i.e. is at least some positive aspect, even if small.  The other problem, in addition to the faculty aspect and those aspects that you nicely spelled out for the rest of us, is again, the academic factors that others have discussed here as well.  But again, if the likes of Olivet (and Northwestern, and let's throw in EMU for Mr. Ypsi's sake! ), then Kazoo can also.  I hope that whoever they pick as the new coach can help be a spark plug for that (i.e. picking an alum as some have suggested might just be that spark - it couldn't hurt for sure).  We'll see what happens.   

[ACRULZ]

ADAWG:


Maybe you should throw your name in the running for the K-Zoo head job!?!?!?!?!?!