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[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

Bulldogalum: 

Other programs would have a hard time following hockeys success since most sports cannot take advantage of the Canadian scholarship like Hockey can, they are in a unique position to capitalize on some changes at Adrian and it would be my bet that they will not be participating in Division III hockey for long.

HOF:

Just up at Adrian today and the faces all seem to be the same so I think jobs are secure at the moment.

[bulldogalum]

DAWG:

Agree wholeheartedly on all hockey-related points.  Hope things are well with you.

[formerd3db]

HOF, bulldogalum and DAWG:

HOF, I am not doubting your points regarding the calibur of Adrian hockey because I have not seen them play.  However, I know some Hope hockey parents who have and they said it was good.  On the other hand, have you seen Hope or Calvin play?  I have and it was very good hockey.  Overall, they might not have the full talent of hockey players that Adrian has, yet they are no slouches.  The goalies at both Hope and Calvin are excellent (and so is Northwood's) and they could definitely play at a higher level.  The game at VanAndel was a "dog fight" and some of the best hockey I've seen, including at the DI level.  Anyway, should Hope and Calvin (I would say Albion has a way to go before they get to either of those two school's caliber of play) decide to go "varsity", it would not take them long to get to Adrian's level.  You have to remember, this is still DIII hockey and with no scholarships, the playing field (uh, excuse me ice) is in the "parity level", despite being able to get some Canadians cross the border to Adrian because of the close proximity.

One thing I have heard about Adrian hockey is that the Canadians they've recruited have caused some trouble re: the underage drinking problem.  That does not appear well for Adrian and I hope they take appropriate measures to prevent further problems and keep those players and their actions accountable and under control.  They may be "legal" in Canada, however, it gives them no excuse for such actions here in the USA and the MIAA. 

DAWG, as far as Adrian going up to another level in hockey in the long term future, I doubt it (if that is what your post was alluding to).  I believe there is an NCAA "grandfather clause" for DIII schools having DI hockey programs (i.e Union in NY, Colorado College).

All of the above, just MO, of course

[HOF]

Sorry this has turned into D3hockey.com...haaa.

I think all points today are great...nice job...we woke up the board...just with hockey talk...haa.

I also found out Adrian has some interesting things going on in that hockey program:

Canadians get free tution.  They have to pay for room and board, but I also heard many of them are on Canadian aide thus many are paying peanuts to go to Adrian.  My buddy said three kids that are freshman turned down DI $ because the package at Adrian was cheaper.

President loves hockey, "favorite sport" my source says for Dr. Docking.  He said the hockey lockerroom has plasma tvs, wii's, surround sound, big wooden lockers.  He said it is "DI" as it can get down there. 

Back to football:   What there is nothing???  Come on...

Any other interesting schedules released yet??

[HOF]

Smith retiring as Holt football coach
Geoff Kimmerly
Lansing State Journal


Holt football coach Mike Smith will retire as a teacher and high school coach at the end of this school year and take a coaching position at Olivet College, Holt athletic director Rick Schmidt confirmed today.

Smith has been rumored to be taking a job at Olivet since confirming he was in talks with that school last month. He will be an assistant coach.

Smith will be recognized for his Holt accomplishments during a ceremony between Thursday's home junior varsity and varsity boys basketball games, at approximately 7 p.m. All in attendance will be invited to talk with Smith afterwards.

Smith has a 133-57 coaching record since 1989, including his stint with the Rams since 1994. He's also been a head coach at both Dansville and Eaton Rapids and played at Michigan State from 1971-75.

Holt finished 11-1 last season and hasn't lost a league game since 2004.

Schmidt said the football coaching position will be posted in the next week to 10 days and that he'll move quickly to fill it.

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

HOF:

Hadnt heard the stuff about the fancy locker room for Hockey, but ther football/performance stadium locker room has some of those perks as well, from what I have heard.

Hockey is president Dockings favorite sport, he played through highschool and tried out at MSU but didnt make the cut, that has never been a secret about Hockey being his sport.

Regarding Canadians not paying tuition from what I know it is a 14000.00 scholarship or there abouts for being Canadian but I had heard as well the big time financial aid which was available to incoming Canadians, not a knock on hockey at all but rather a bonus for the program and students coming in.  It wouldnt suprise me at all that the packages Adrian put together were better than some DI offers.

So does this coaching move from Holt to OC indicate that Livedoti will step down as HC or will the new guy simply be taking over some sort of position or coordinator responsibility?  I would imagine if he was stepping down as a teacher he would have to be getting a pretty good position at Olivet.

From what Ive heard Adrian is having another good year recruiting, lots of talent from all over and lots of kids who will be able to come in and challenge some upper classmen.  With the schedule at Adrian looking to be toughening up it would be good to get some freshman in who can cut their teeth early.

[sac]

On the news tonight, it was stated Smith would be taking an assistants position on the Olivet staff "for now".

He will be put in charge of something called "Freshman Retention".

[HOF]

Sounds like he can probably retire from the public schools.  He has 31 years in, which is enough to get that retirement.  He can go over to Olivet make his $35-40, which is a nice retirement supplement income.  Plus with two boys at Olivet he probably will get that free school for the boys which doesn't hurt.

He is a good coach and the rest of the MIAA should take notice.  With Livo in charge he is fixing to have a great staff and is really turning things around at Olivet.  They are making a push to become a contender each year.  New facilities are popping up, great coaches...a win-win for the MIAA and Olivet.

That staff at Olivet is pretty good.  Older, proven coaches.  Not a knock against the young coaches in the MIAA, but when you can get good, successful coaches to coach in the small college the experience and knowledge is hard to beat.  I would like a 40-50 year old man who has seen the game and experienced the game versus a fresh young coach out of college.  Those halftime adjustments come easier for the older and wiser.  Just MO.

[sac]

From yesterday's Lansing State Journal by Mike Smith

Its not a direct quote but Smith says at the bottom of the article he'd be interested in the HC job in the future.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008802200347

[D306]

HOF

You had mentioned in this thread listing questions about each MIAA school
regarding Albion you asked whom did they hired?.

Is there a posion open we do not know about?

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

D306:

Albion College added two new positions, one full time and one intern type position.  They made a great addition to an already solid staff by bringing Dustin Beurer back to Albion from Morehead State University as well as hiring someone from Hillsdale who's name I do not know to serve as the intern.

[D306]

Thanks Dawg

Thats why you have to love this site.

You ask and you shall recieve.

I looked up Coach Beurer, nice story to see a local boy coming back.
Especially as a former player and coach. Looks like he got some solid experience and completed grad school.

[LetItRain]

I don't know if anyone responded to HOF from Tri-State (didn't see anything, but I was scanning the posts very quickly):

So anymore talk about coaching changes?

Albion:  Who did they hire?
Adrian:  Anyone get fired?
Alma:  I heard Liester shaved his head?
Hope:  What is new?
Kalamazoo:  How is Zorbo doing?
Olivet:  Dom doing alright as the AD?  Any news on a car accident I heard Dom was in?  Not starting rumors, but heard he got dinged up in an accident?
Tri-State:  I get worried about the Thunder..nobody has anything to report.

As far as Tri-State goes, they've moved up changing the name of the university to 8/1/08 (originally planned for 6/1/09).  This fall we will become the Trine University Thunder.  Word is that the new field is being installed with the name "Trine" in the endzone, so they had to move up renaming the university. 

As far as coaching goes, I'm very pleased to report that Coach Land and his staff remain. 

[ACRULZ]

Been away for awhile but I have been trying to catch up on the recent discussions.  The Adrian Hockey team is doing very well.  However as far as I know, the $14,000 scholarships are all gone and in actuality they do not receive any other aid from Adrian or the US gov't funds.  Which leaves another $14,000 to take care of.  From what I hear the Canadian hockey players take out loans through Canadian sources to finance their educations.  These programs are things such as http://www.internationalstudentloan.com/canadian_student/index.html.  Not to forget that Coach Fogarty is a D-I guy and used a lot of his connections to find these players.  Also these guys are anywhere from 21 - 23 years old.  Most of them have played junior hockey in some capacity.  So in essence you have grown men playing against 18, 19 year olds. 

HOF, you are entitled to your opinion but I do resent the fact that you single out Coach Lyall.  He may not win as many MIAA championships as most would like, but what he does do is graduate his players and mold fine young men.  Also, whether or not the coaches at Adrian have been fired (which they have not been) or not, is really none yours or anyone else's business outside of that program.

[HOF]

ACRULZ,

I did not in any way, shape, or form mean to say Coach Lyall is a bad coach or single him out.  I've heard he is the class of the MIAA.  I was just using him as an example on the football board.  So I'm sorry to have confused you.  No doubt that all these coaches in the MIAA graduate players and become a second father to most.  All coaches do in general.  If they don't do those things I think that is a problem more so than winning and losing.  Again sorry to Coach Lyall and the Adrian program if I've came across wrong.   I was just saying that I heard the president at AC thinks winning is as easy as building new stadiums, etc.  Which we all know it is tough to be a champion.  That is why they're special!!