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[ACRULZ]

Also, I was greatly disappointed that Charles Barkley had to inject the race card into the Auburn coaching selection, although that doesn't surprise me from him.  His stock in the "respect category" has continued to go down hill for a long time and IMO, is below rock bottom.  There is, at least to our knowledge, no evidence or any reports that racism played a part and he and some of his "croanies" always feel they have to make this an issue.  Sorry, but just my $0.02 worth on that topic.

Although I must agree that I am not a huge Barkley fan...the fact still remains that there is much discrimination in the coaching profession.  At the D-I level I believe there are only 3 or 4 minority coaches.  Which to say is simply a shame!

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sac:

I agree with your analysis regarding the current state of college football.  It was headed and has been that way now for a long time.  Unfortunately, I don't see that changing.

I disagree somewhat with your other opinions.  While I think you are right about Hoke leaving, IMO, the San Diego State job is a lateral move.  To some people, sunny California is nice (not to me as I have no interest in ever going there), the school is never going to be a super power.  Many people (including some I know in the DI coaching ranks and relatatives of them) compare SDSU like a Ball State or CMU or WMU in the MAC.  I'm sure you recall Stolz left Bowling Green after elevating that program for a good 10 year run, winning the title at SDSU in his first year, only to be run out after the third.  You are right - Hoke left because of the $ plain and simple.  That is his choice and IMO, we can't blame him and coaches like him for doing so, given what the system is today.  That being said, thankfully, there are still some people who consider staying put a loyalty issue, and/or that $ isn't everything (I can't imagine Hoke didn't live well even on his Ball State salary), but then again, who is to say BSU wouldn't fire him down the road if they had several mediocre seasons?  It is not impossible or unlikely that would happen, again given the "super power wannabes" like you've nicely outlined.

The other aspect is EMU.  For sure, that has been the black hole for coaches for a long time as you've mentioned (and many of us have discussed that program here in detail of recent).  However, Mike DeBord certainly couldn't do any worse than he did at CMU; but then again, maybe so!   Still, it would at least be a start for a young coach like Campbell, etc.  They said that about Gill at Buffalo (that school was lousy in past years) and look what he has done there.  Also, I was slightly surprised you mentioned that it was "rumored" Carr gave advice to EMU about interviewees - I was not surprised because that was definitely announced in the media/newspapers that he had been hired as a "non-paid" consultant to do so.  You must have missed that in the paper! surprised that

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sac addendum:

BTW, I forgot to mention thanks for your comments/opinions.  I always appreciate your input.  These situations that come up whether it be DIII or DI are indeed interesting, aren't they?

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ACRULZ:

While what you say regarding the number disparity is true, still I get tired of all these guys who consistenly try to place the race card.  While I am not saying racism doesn't or perhaps hasn't played a role in some instances of these hirings (I cannot say for sure because we only know what is printed in the paper and we all know that the media is incorrect and misguided many, many times), I do not believe that this occurs in every case at the DI level or otherwise, as others would unfortunately always have us believe.  For sure DI gets the attention, but let's see what the real statistics are; i.e. let's have these schools put out the list of candidates and just how many minority coaches actually apply for the job ( in one sense, just because a school may have candidates in mind, doesn't excuse coaches and those who cry racism for not applying because they certainly have that opportunity), all their credentials, and just exactly how these people stack up agains all the candidates, including their reasons for wanting to be at that particular school, their coaching and life philosophy, etc., etc.  There are a ton of aspects that are and should be taken into affect regarding the selection of a head coach at any level other than the $ and title of "being a head coach".  Moreover, in the "whole picture", let's have the media put out the statistics of all the minority coaches at all the collegiate levels (obviously, the NCAA has this information in its annual football yearbook) and then let's see what the true overall numbers are, including the traditional black colleges and universities.  Do you think they would hire a white guy for a head coach? (it has been done I believe, but rare).  I am not a racist whatsoever, however, as I said, I nonetheless get tired of these idiots who always play that card regardless of the situation and it does happen a lot.  While it is unfortunate that they are few minority background head coaches, still there is no excuse for that former aspect either.  I'm off the soapbox now!

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sac #3:

BTW, regarding the Auburn/Tubberville situation.  I know from a very inside source and friend (who I am not at liberty to disclose) that while Auburn is a very tough place to be head coach as you know and well stated, on the other hand, Tubberville had a part in his own demise.  I was told that he actually put his name in the running for the Arkansas job and another one as well last year without even being approached by those schools nor being "badgered or given ultimatums by Auburn" and that actually "sealed his fate there" for this year.  I agree with you that he is a good coach, but on the other hand, he knew what he was getting into when he left Mississippi to take the Auburn job (or at least he should have ).  Regardless, just another chapter/episode in the college football world as we've been discussing.

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sac #3:

BTW, regarding the Auburn/Tubberville situation.  I know from a very inside source and friend (who I am not at liberty to disclose) that while Auburn is a very tough place to be head coach as you know and well stated, on the other hand, Tubberville had a part in his own demise.  I was told that he actually put his name in the running for the Arkansas job and another one as well last year without even being approached by those schools nor being "badgered or given ultimatums by Auburn" and that actually "sealed his fate there" for this year.  I agree with you that he is a good coach, but on the other hand, he knew what he was getting into when he left Mississippi to take the Auburn job (or at least he should have ).  Regardless, just another chapter/episode in the college football world as we've been discussing.

Thats kind of funny give the clause about interference he had in his contract.

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sac #3:

BTW, regarding the Auburn/Tubberville situation.  I know from a very inside source and friend (who I am not at liberty to disclose) that while Auburn is a very tough place to be head coach as you know and well stated, on the other hand, Tubberville had a part in his own demise.  I was told that he actually put his name in the running for the Arkansas job and another one as well last year without even being approached by those schools nor being "badgered or given ultimatums by Auburn" and that actually "sealed his fate there" for this year.  I agree with you that he is a good coach, but on the other hand, he knew what he was getting into when he left Mississippi to take the Auburn job (or at least he should have ).  Regardless, just another chapter/episode in the college football world as we've been discussing.

Thats kind of funny give the clause about interference he had in his contract.

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sac #3:

BTW, regarding the Auburn/Tubberville situation.  I know from a very inside source and friend (who I am not at liberty to disclose) that while Auburn is a very tough place to be head coach as you know and well stated, on the other hand, Tubberville had a part in his own demise.  I was told that he actually put his name in the running for the Arkansas job and another one as well last year without even being approached by those schools nor being "badgered or given ultimatums by Auburn" and that actually "sealed his fate there" for this year.  I agree with you that he is a good coach, but on the other hand, he knew what he was getting into when he left Mississippi to take the Auburn job (or at least he should have ).  Regardless, just another chapter/episode in the college football world as we've been discussing.

Thats kind of funny give the clause about interference he had in his contract.

Oops!  I hit the wrong button before typing in my post (what an idiot I am! ).  Anyway, I was going to say that, indeed, that is funny.  I guess people do some strange things sometimes and they should be careful in what they say and do (and that includes our friend Rodriguez at our beloved U of M    )

[sac]

The guy had every opportunity to throw either QB (using the term lightly) under the bus and he didn't.  He took the high road with those guys alot this year.

The problem at UM is the alums and donors don't understand its going to be different and more importantly it needs to be different.

[ACRULZ]

ACRULZ:

While what you say regarding the number disparity is true, still I get tired of all these guys who consistenly try to place the race card.  While I am not saying racism doesn't or perhaps hasn't played a role in some instances of these hirings (I cannot say for sure because we only know what is printed in the paper and we all know that the media is incorrect and misguided many, many times), I do not believe that this occurs in every case at the DI level or otherwise, as others would unfortunately always have us believe.  For sure DI gets the attention, but let's see what the real statistics are; i.e. let's have these schools put out the list of candidates and just how many minority coaches actually apply for the job ( in one sense, just because a school may have candidates in mind, doesn't excuse coaches and those who cry racism for not applying because they certainly have that opportunity), all their credentials, and just exactly how these people stack up agains all the candidates, including their reasons for wanting to be at that particular school, their coaching and life philosophy, etc., etc.  There are a ton of aspects that are and should be taken into affect regarding the selection of a head coach at any level other than the $ and title of "being a head coach".  Moreover, in the "whole picture", let's have the media put out the statistics of all the minority coaches at all the collegiate levels (obviously, the NCAA has this information in its annual football yearbook) and then let's see what the true overall numbers are, including the traditional black colleges and universities.  Do you think they would hire a white guy for a head coach? (it has been done I believe, but rare).  I am not a racist whatsoever, however, as I said, I nonetheless get tired of these idiots who always play that card regardless of the situation and it does happen a lot.  While it is unfortunate that they are few minority background head coaches, still there is no excuse for that former aspect either.  I'm off the soapbox now!

Agreed.

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The guy had every opportunity to throw either QB (using the term lightly) under the bus and he didn't.  He took the high road with those guys alot this year.

The problem at UM is the alums and donors don't understand its going to be different and more importantly it needs to be different.

Oh, I definitely agree with you on that.  I was referring to the integrity of his actions during his hiring process debacle.  I also am friends with a source who has someone who coached with Rodriguez and he doesn't have a high opinion of Coach R at all (I could tell you some doozies of stories about that, however, I will refrain from doing so. ).

ACRULZ:
Thanks for your response and previous thoughts as well.  BTW, anything of worthy news about Adrian at this time?  I suspect not as it is the same with all of our MIAA schools right now!

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As you can see, since I was not able to make the Stagg Bowl trip this year, I'm sitting at home posting responses here (I guess I'm helping you guys get us to that 200 page milestone! ).  Although I had the day off to finally get some personal business and errands done, I ended up spending most of it snowblowing our driveway and sidewalks (3 times) due to the heavy winter snowstorm we received last night/early this AM and on into late this afternoon) as well as getting other "honey do list items" done in the house which I've neglected for sometime .

Anyway, since we've been on the DI topics (which I guess I'm the culprit for starting), I thought I would throw the topic back to our DIII.  So here goes.  What are your predictions as to who will win the Stagg Bowl tomorrow and by what general score?  I guess I'm going with the majority of our DIII posting colleagues on the various boards in saying that Mount Union will win it this year and I'm guessing by about 13-14 points.  Of course, we'll see what happens!  I've got my TV set tuned in for ESPN tomorrow for 11 AM.  That still gives us the remainder of the day to "do other stuff"!  I've got my Christmas shopping done, so I guess I'll have to find other things to keep me occupied!  What about you guys?

[Mr. Ypsi]

A two-TD win by MUC would certainly not shock me, but I'm going a bit closer - 7 or 8.  (I took UWW and the 9.5 points on OAC pickems, but MUC straight-up on CCIW.)

I'll go with either 28-21 or 35-27.  Wheaton corralled Kmic for one quarter (I think it was 8 yards on 7 carries), but Micheli made 'em pay (17-0 lead).  When they focused more on Micheli, Kmic added another 303 yards!  I just don't think any d3 defense can stop them both for a whole game (though UWW is probably better than Wheaton).

[cave2bens]

Guessing that MUC will take it by 9, and going further out on the limb (a dangerous proposition at my present heft (d*mned holiday foodstuffs  ), predict Kmic will get 147, Micheli throws for 198 with 2 TDs and scrambles for another 36. 

Wow - pretty easy when one hasn't a dog in the fight and just looks forward to a three hour respite from leaf mulching and garage reorg. Now, if only the dog, cat, and wife will honor the sabbatical.     62 at 9:15 PM, fmrd3 - good weekend to be south! 

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Mr. Ypsi and Cave2:

Good predictions and reasoning.  It will be interesting to see what happens.  I just hope it doesn't end up being a blowout.  Another close game in the Stagg would be great.

BTW, Cave2, indeed, I would rather be raking/mulching down your way than snowblowing and freezing up here!

Ypsi:  In your sleuth expertise ways, have you heard anything at all regarding the EMU coaching search?  Just curious.