FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[formerd3db]

My picks are similar to BAW's, however, with one (obvious) exception :

Olivet @ Alma - Alma

Adrian @ Hope - Hope  (in a close one)

Marian (Ind) @ Albion - Albion

Kalamazoo @ Trine - Trine

[D306]

My picks for the weekend.

Alma over Olivet - Olivet can not score enough to keep up.

Trine all over Kazoo - Kazoo defense can not slow down teams, trine puts up points.

Albion over Marian - Home game for the Brits and they are rounding into shape offensively. Better ball security limit turnovers and win the game.

Big Game of the Weekend 2nd week in a row for Adrian
I will take Adrian over Hope in a war. 
For 2 reasons:
1) last week Adrain lost a heartbreaker
2) The Brits need Hope to have 2 losses if they are to have a shot at the league 

Sorry  D3DB I typically am a Hope fan except this week,  the Brits need some help.

Looks like cold rain this weekend turnovers will play a deciding factor.

[formerd3db]

D306:

That's okay.  Totally understand .  In reality, I can't ever pick against my own team either, although when Hope is out of the picture i.e. when one of our MIAA teams represents our league in the playoffs, I always pull for them as I'm sure all of our MIAA colleagues do the same in that same type of situation.

As you mention, it looks like cold and rain is on the weather forecast/radar for this weekend.  Although I love college football and our MIAA, I am not looking forward to being out in that type of weather for the remaining games of the season.  That is the only thing I don't like about this time of year i.e. regarding the latter 1/3 of the football season.

[Mr. Ypsi]

D306:

That's okay.  Totally understand .  In reality, I can't ever pick against my own team either, although when Hope is out of the picture i.e. when one of our MIAA teams represents our league in the playoffs, I always pull for them as I'm sure all of our MIAA colleagues do the same in that same type of situation.

As you mention, it looks like cold and rain is on the weather forecast/radar for this weekend.  Although I love college football and our MIAA, I am not looking forward to being out in that type of weather for the remaining games of the season.  That is the only thing I don't like about this time of year i.e. regarding the latter 1/3 of the football season.

Chin up, soldier!

Especially after this mostly crappy October, we are due SOME good weather in November.  I can recall at least two Michigan Novembers where I have gotten sunburned canoeing!  Mother Nature, we deserve some good stuff!

[Though, I confess, since I've got the flu (and possibly pneumonia), I've surrendered and winterized the RV. ]

[D306]

The last couple posts bring up a question I never understood.

Why do some people just LOVE to watch other teams in their league lose or get caught in a bad situaction?

I for one, support all MIAA schools, except when they play Albion.
I also support certain schools outside of the MIAA, teams that I have no association with at all. IE: Wheaton, programs I consider "clean" Academically, faith based / family based schools.

Have you every thought why you choose to support or dislike teams in particular?

For example I know numerous Ohio State Fans, they flat out "pray" for UofM to lose all the games, get excited if there is "bad" news about a UofM player. Typically are flat our rude if your go to the "shoe" to watch a game as a Michigan fan.

I look at it this way, I want every team in the league to win all their games except the games that my team is playing them or needs some help to win league.
Every win a opponent has makes my teams wins look that much stronger. A strong league also makes the league more interesting.

Ypsi

Yes it was a quick end to the "camping / hiking" season except for the diehards.
my gang that camp or hike with us usually have called it a season already.
I just "dress for the mess" and take the dogs and struggle through, I feel it clears the soul and relax's my mind to sweat a little and feel the sting of the cold/wet on my face.  Haved to admit slowing down a little, age, and knees are not what they used to be.

Soupy died there goes part of our and our kids childhood  

[formerd3db]

Mr. Ypsi:
You made a smart move re: the RV!  Anyway, hope you are doing well.  Thanks for coordinating the weekly picks.

D306:

Regarding your prospective question:  I think it just happens and is human nature for that at times.  While we all know that the nicer and "higher road" is to wish the best for the others, exceptions accepted for current opponents of one's team for that particular day, there are circumstances from time to time that occur to incite those rather less than admirable thoughts and feelings.  Sometimes, and unfortunately, it is arrogance and downright nastiness projected against one teams fans and players against the others and that includes coaches and administrators "looking the other way" in allowing that to go on, although for sure, I would dare say that 99.9% of those in the latter two job/position categories do not condone such behavior if they know it is occurring.  Of course, this untoward behavior of one teams fans and even players has occurred at all levels of college football, yet, it is sad to say I've seen it happen in our own MIAA.

In fact, just last week during the week of the Michigan/Michigan State game, I was rather appalled to hear some of the players (particularly Michigan State players) who were interviewed on TV by the various stations and reporters actually say they "hated Michigan, its players, etc."  While some might interpret this as "just part of the rhetoric of the game and rivalry", to me, it personally seemed quite genuine.   My own theory is that this is what some of these young players have had "ingrained" in their thought process over the years and as they've come up through the system and into these respective rivalries.  And that is very sad and just shows to what lows many aspects in our society have sunken to.  This is obviously not to say that everyone employs such behavior because we all know that is not true.  Nonetheless, it is much more prevelent than should be or anyone likes to see; good natured and intense rivalry notwithstanding, which there is obviously nothing wrong with the latter. 

I am guilty at times in past years of not having had much "well-wishes" for some other teams in our league both as a player and now after for various reasons (and I won't go into that here as it is not necessary).  However, that being said, I will say that I would never take it to the level of "hating someone" like the Michigan State players stated (and again, I don't think they were joking - if they were, their demeanor failed to disclose that - and if they do truly believe that, it is without question "over the line" and unacceptable).  Even in those times I've had some dislike for behavior or tone towards me/our team by opponents in the past, still I like to think that I try to "take the high road" most of the time (certainly do not take it to the level of "hate") and, yet, as I said, will always root for our MIAA representative in the playoffs, regardless of which team that might be.  Just my general thoughts on this since you brought up the question for discussion.  

[sac]

It has been my long held opinion that any institution that is teaching its students or student athletes to hate another school and its students, players, fans etc .........are failing as educators.    Respect for another school is not something I hear enough about these days.


I also think that when someone says ' I hate such and such school' what they really mean is 'I hate losing to such and such a school'..........however there are indeed people who have lost all perspective on sports and do have deep seeded hatred for another institution.......and well these people are just lost souls and beyond help and are best ignored.




I'll pass on this experience I had at the Michigan/Michigan State game a few weeks ago............on my walk to the stadium the Michigan State women's basketball team passed by and all 18 or 20 of their entourage was pointing out anyone wearing Michigan gear and 'booing' at them as they walked past.

Part of me laughed and in fact I joined in on the fun and pointed back at them and 'boo'd'........I also laughed because there's something funny about seeing 6-8 Allyssa Dehaan towering over everyone.

But apart of me wondered what exactly the NCAA would think of this from a sportsmanship perspective, this was one its athletic teams with coaches present, not showing good sportsmanship.  I wondered if I'd ever see something like that at D3......my conclusion was no, and that if it did happen it would be squelched immediately.

Its just a different world 'up' there (or down depending on your perspective).

For example I know numerous Ohio State Fans, they flat out "pray" for UofM to lose all the games, get excited if there is "bad" news about a UofM player. Typically are flat our rude if your go to the "shoe" to watch a game as a Michigan fan.

Every school at that level has fans like that..........f'instance the largest cheers at Michigan Stadium this past Saturday was the announced scores of Purdue leading Ohio State and thats pretty typical.  ND, MSU and OSU all get that kind of treatment.

I'm quite sure there were people there that were much happier OSU lost than that Michigan won.  Its crazy and I don't get it...........I should point out I was getting frequent text messages from my Columbus captive brother with score updates, and yeah they made me smile.

(while we're on the subject of things we hate, I hate the term 'Big House', but if Keith Jackson says it, you go with it)...........

[Raider 68]

It has been my long held opinion that any institution that is teaching its students or student athletes to hate another school and its students, players, fans etc .........are failing as educators.    Respect for another school is not something I hear enough about these days.


I also think that when someone says ' I hate such and such school' what they really mean is 'I hate losing to such and such a school'..........however there are indeed people who have lost all perspective on sports and do have deep seeded hatred for another institution.......and well these people are just lost souls and beyond help and are best ignored.




I'll pass on this experience I had at the Michigan/Michigan State game a few weeks ago............on my walk to the stadium the Michigan State women's basketball team passed by and all 18 or 20 of their entourage was pointing out anyone wearing Michigan gear and 'booing' at them as they walked past.

Part of me laughed and in fact I joined in on the fun and pointed back at them and 'boo'd'........I also laughed because there's something funny about seeing 6-8 Allyssa Dehaan towering over everyone.

But apart of me wondered what exactly the NCAA would think of this from a sportsmanship perspective, this was one its athletic teams with coaches present, not showing good sportsmanship.  I wondered if I'd ever see something like that at D3......my conclusion was no, and that if it did happen it would be squelched immediately.

Its just a different world 'up' there (or down depending on your perspective).

For example I know numerous Ohio State Fans, they flat out "pray" for UofM to lose all the games, get excited if there is "bad" news about a UofM player. Typically are flat our rude if your go to the "shoe" to watch a game as a Michigan fan.

Every school at that level has fans like that..........f'instance the largest cheers at Michigan Stadium this past Saturday was the announced scores of Purdue leading Ohio State and thats pretty typical.  ND, MSU and OSU all get that kind of treatment.

I'm quite sure there were people there that were much happier OSU lost than that Michigan won.  Its crazy and I don't get it...........I should point out I was getting frequent text messages from my Columbus captive brother with score updates, and yeah they made me smile.

(while we're on the subject of things we hate, I hate the term 'Big House', but if Keith Jackson says it, you go with it)...........

Sac,

Great post!

Here in Ohio, many of the same things happen. A cheer goes up when a Michigan (losing) score is announced, not so much with MSU though.

I have heard some (count on my one hand) boo's at a D3 game, and the D3 people across the board do not tolerate it without a shame on you response. College sports (football) far exceeds the true spirit of the game unlike what is played on Sundays, but often the big D1 programs lose sight of that fact.

The question is have the BCS, the bowls  turned the 120 D1 programs into big businesses that have lost the 'old" college fall weekends persona across the campuses?

I for one think yes, until  there are playoffs like D3, a mindset paradigm shift. The true supporters/ followers look the colleges and universities for what they were established for decades ago: education of our young people.

So, while everyone has their favorites and are alums for a school or the ones up north, let's support all of them in a way that ensures good sportsmanship and respect.

[Mr. Ypsi]

The 'hatred' (hopefully, the quotation marks are usually appropriate!) is perhaps excusable for the students themselves (I remember feeling that way about arch-rival Millikin when I was at IWU), but is truly pathetic among mature alums (though many of the worst offenders never attended the school they 'support').  It very much surprised me how delighted I was when Millikin won the women's bball title a few years ago.

When the Monon Bell approaches, things can get pretty hot and heavy, but ultimately seems mostly in good fun.  (The NCAC football board is so Wabash-centric that I think the [mostly well-accepted] regulars from DePauw may be the second most numerous group!)

With only a few exceptions, the Hope/Calvin barbs on the bball board seem the same way; an intense rivalry, but, deep-down (sometimes VERY deep-down ) a mutual respect.

Which is as it should be - if UM can ever remember how to beat OSU, I always found it much more satisfying to kick their butts if the Buckeyes were undefeated than if they had 3-4 losses!

[D306]

Great Thread folks

Thanks for the interesting comments.

I agree that it vaires from place to place and cetainly is more intense at D1.

Enjoy the games Saturday and stay dry folks.

There are several key match-ups through out all levels of Football in the midwest this week.


Good news the Lions have a bye week so they can not ruin our Sunday 

[formerd3db]

I agree, colleagues, a very intriguing and substantive discussion.  I think everyone has summarized this well.

However, sac, I will say one thing.  You mention you haven't seen that at D3, well, I have and including, unfortunately, right in our own MIAA.  I will refrain from mentioning the exact schools and persons involved, only to say over the years it has been only on a few occasions, but it did/does happen and as recent as the last 3 years.  In fact, I witnessed this already during an MIAA this season.  It seems, as I have mentioned in my opinion that it has been more with this younger generation.  The bottom line is, as said, that most people say those things in jest, however, there are unfortunately a few misguided individuals who let reality get out of hand and do not (this includes players and yes, sad to say a few - very few - coaches).

In conclusion, I'm glad you have not witnessed this in D3, yet, not intending to throw negative thoughts your way, I just want you to be aware that, yes, it unfortunately happens even in our MIAA.  Rare, thankfully, but it does happen.  Anyway, enough said on this - I think we all agree on what is right and what is wrong and that we all want to encourage and promote the good sportsman(woman)ship that is expected from everyone, players and fans alike.

[formerd3db]

Great Thread folks

Thanks for the interesting comments.

I agree that it vaires from place to place and cetainly is more intense at D1.

Enjoy the games Saturday and stay dry folks.

There are several key match-ups through out all levels of Football in the midwest this week.


Good news the Lions have a bye week so they can not ruin our Sunday 

D306:

Your last sentence is, indeed, good news to look forward to for a nice ending to our weekends, regardless of what happens on Saturday during the games!

[ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE]

formerd3db:

I meant to go ahead and post a prediction for the game yesterday, but for some reason I never got around to it.  If I had it would have read much as todays game played out, both teams coming out with some great defense and the offense struggling which is often the case when Adrian travels to Holland Municipal Stadium.  Adrians defense was able to keep them in the game until they were able to get that score on the board in the 4th quarter, nice call with the 4th down play to get the TD.  Defense came up with a huge stop to force the Hope FG and then again to get a piece of the kick and preserve a 7-6 lead.  SOunds like it would have been a great game to be at, unfortunatley I couldnt get anyone to make the trip with me which nixed that plan.  Best of luck to Hope the rest of the way, they are in a rare 2 season dry spell at this point which is highly out of character.  All that being said it is nice to see Adrian get the win and stay alive, as long as they win out they will get their league championship whether it be by split or outright.

Anyone know much about Marian?  I wasnt anticipating an Albion loss, but I cant say why as I dont know to much about Marian.

Trine keeps rolling and Alma appears to take it to what looks this year to be a bad Olivet team.  Any insight from someone that was at the Adrian v Hope game or any of the others would be awesome for those of us that were home bound today.

[altor]

Here in Ohio, many of the same things happen. A cheer goes up when a Michigan (losing) score is announced, not so much with MSU though.

I've never been to one myself, but I hear fans at OSU hockey games have an interesting tradition.  When the announcer says, "One minute remains in the period," the fans reply with, "And Michigan still sucks!"

I suppose these types of things could be construed as bad sportsmanship.  I'd like to think it's just friendly rivals having a little fun with each other.

[sac]

I believe this photo is from today's Hope/Adrian game.......I think you can kind of get an idea why this was 7-6.

.......and no your eyes aren't deceiving you, Hope wore Purple jerseys for their "Purple game for Cancer research"