FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[70_dc_alum]

I didn't realize about the limited roster (only being my second year in MIAA)....  That's awful!  Everyone needs everyone at that point.


Nice article today on Trine on D3.  Sounds like it should be a great game!

well not everyone...i remember a game i played at Mount Union (regular season) and they had around 200 people dressed.  warmups were hilarious as they went from the 50 to the back of the track for stretching.  took me forever to find out who to talk trash to since there were 6 guys wearing the same number of the guy i was going against.

there needs to be a limit for a travel roster, but crazy it is different than regular season

[Diezel1]

From page 21 of the Division 2009 Division III Football Championship Handbook.

Official Traveling Party
[Reference: Per Diem and Transportation in the Division III General Section.]
Transportation and per diem expenses will be provided for the official traveling party of 62 (including a maximum of 52 players in uniform).

Division II is 70 in the party with a maximum of 54 in uniform.
Division I-AA is 130 in the party with a maximum of 60 in uniform for the first three rounds.  For the championship game, 140 can be in the party with a maximum of 70 in the uniform.

Clearly D1-AA is larger than D2 or D3 but why is it that they can travel twice as many people in the party?  Do they carry a trainer for every player? And since the NCAA foots the bill for these people to travel with the team it seems it would be better served to up the roster size for D2 and D3.  All it would take is to reduce the party numbers by say 10 or 20 and it would give each division 5-10 more players.  IMO, it would benefit schools more to have players that they have used all season long instead of having someone on the sidelines just taking up the precious space that needs to be saved the media

[OC_SID]

From page 21 of the Division 2009 Division III Football Championship Handbook.

Official Traveling Party
[Reference: Per Diem and Transportation in the Division III General Section.]
Transportation and per diem expenses will be provided for the official traveling party of 62 (including a maximum of 52 players in uniform).

Division II is 70 in the party with a maximum of 54 in uniform.
Division I-AA is 130 in the party with a maximum of 60 in uniform for the first three rounds.  For the championship game, 140 can be in the party with a maximum of 70 in the uniform.

Clearly D1-AA is larger than D2 or D3 but why is it that they can travel twice as many people in the party?  Do they carry a trainer for every player? And since the NCAA foots the bill for these people to travel with the team it seems it would be better served to up the roster size for D2 and D3.  All it would take is to reduce the party numbers by say 10 or 20 and it would give each division 5-10 more players.  IMO, it would benefit schools more to have players that they have used all season long instead of having someone on the sidelines just taking up the precious space that needs to be saved the media

I could be wrong, but the travel party for both Division I levels includes the bands for the school.

[BOYA87]

everyones making great points, and I agree that there should be limited roster spots but CUTTING the spots back from what the normal travel restrictions are during the regular season?  This is just another difficult obsticle to overcome.  As if playing in the biggest game of the season wasnt enough pressure now teams must do it down players.

I was formerly a member of the Student Athletic Advisory Committee at Tri-State/Trine and these are the types of things that the student athletes can do something about.  Of course I had no idea about the rule seeing as I never even sniffed the playoffs until my senior year, but I always attended conference meetings with reps from each school in the MIAA.  I dont know if this issue would be something SAAC could help handle directly with the NCAA because it is sport specific, however I have to imagine that this is an issue that might affect many different sports when it comes tournament time.

[Diezel1]

I agree, you should not be able to take your entire team but be able to bring the same amount as a regular season game.  Teams like  Mt. Unions,UW-W and other perennial powers gain even more of an advantage because of their rediculous amount of talent that they have on their teams because they can fill their roster will players that are very talented.  Less fortunate schools are forced to make decisions that may hinder say special teams or certain offensive and defensive packages that they have used all season

[Pat Coleman]

I agree, you should not be able to take your entire team but be able to bring the same amount as a regular season game. 

Since conferences and teams have separate policies all over the place, who do you think should determine what number we all use?

[Diezel1]

I agree, you should not be able to take your entire team but be able to bring the same amount as a regular season game. 

Since conferences and teams have separate policies all over the place, who do you think should determine what number we all use?

If each conference or team has policies that are different than those of the NCAA, then the NCAA should make a policy that every conference should use.  From our experience going to the playoffs last year, I know it was a difficult decision for coaches to choose who was able to dress and who had to watch from the stands.  With the 54 player restriction, we weren't even able to dress some of our second string players or players who played throughout the year.  I just think that it should be loosened up to allow up to 65 players

[Pat Coleman]

If each conference or team has policies that are different than those of the NCAA, then the NCAA should make a policy that every conference should use. 

This is what it is doing in the postseason.

The NCAA doesn't like to get into dictating conference decisions for the regular season. When the postseason starts, lots of things are dictated by the NCAA -- travel squad sizes, game times, the ball used, the amount of warmup time, the style of the public address announcement of starting lineups, the lack of comp tickets ...

It's unfortunate that there were feelings hurt, apparently, for the cut to 52-man rosters for the postseason. But I am sure feelings are hurt when you or your son don't make the travel squad for regular-season games. I think players understand that coaches have to make decisions.

When you get to the playoffs more often, it will become apparent.

[Diezel1]

I agree with you Pat and I guess my question is how did the NCAA come up with the 52 man roster? Is it just a basic 2 deep at every position and add 8 or was there some other method that they used?

[Mr. Ypsi]

The reply that formerd3db received from the NCAA was indeed lame (space on the sidelines, etc.).  While the NCAA limits the number who can dress, I'm pretty sure there is no rule against others still being on the sidelines in street clothes (Pat?).  I would hope that schools and/or booster clubs would see to it that ALL players do make it to the game and not literally be left at home!

BAW, I had forgotten to account for players regularly seeing action on special teams or in special formations - I'll yield that a limit of 52 probably DOES leave out some players who would see PT at other than 'garbage time'.

Am I correct in assuming that the 52 player limit does not mean the same 52 players throughout the playoffs?  While bitterly disappointing for players left out, in a way this does add to the 'chess player' importance of coaches: which players do I MOST need against THIS opponent?

[Pat Coleman]

I think there is a limitation against the others being on the sidelines in street clothes. They cannot be in the box, and for them to be outside of the box, milling around on the sidelines, they would absolutely be in the way of photographers and the like.

The number was 48 a few years back, then increased to 52 when a little more funding came available.

Your 52-man roster is fluid up until 10 minutes before kickoff. Until that point you can make changes and it's certainly able to be different from week to week.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I think there is a limitation against the others being on the sidelines in street clothes. They cannot be in the box, and for them to be outside of the box, milling around on the sidelines, they would absolutely be in the way of photographers and the like.

The number was 48 a few years back, then increased to 52 when a little more funding came available.

Your 52-man roster is fluid up until 10 minutes before kickoff. Until that point you can make changes and it's certainly able to be different from week to week.

Yeah, I did forget to account for the fact that d3 stadia tend to be a bit less roomy on the sidelines than the Big House (or even Rynearson)!  There are always dozens of injured players, former players, etc., on the sidelines there!

[Diezel1]

Mr. Ypsi,

There is a limit to how many people can in the "party" and I believe that number is 70.  That would include any players in street clothes, coaches, athletic training personnel and whoever else the coaches wish to bring with the team.  These people are given passes so they are allowed to be in the players and coaches only areas

[BoredatWork56]

I am really excited for tomorrows matchup.  it will be interesting to see how Whalen does against the best defense he has seen all year.   I like Trine's offense to score in the 28-35 on Case's untested defense, but can Trine's defense hold on long enough to get the win? I think so.

Trine 35 - Case 31

A big step for the Trine program and the MIAA as a whole. 

[adidas28]

I totally agree with you.

I think that the MIAA has several teams in it that probably helped Trine prepare for this game during the regular season also. Albion and Adrian both had very stingy defenses and Trine figured out a way to beat thos teams. Then you throw in the pass happy offenses of Kalamazoo College and Alma and the Trine defense has seen it all and stopped them when they needed too.

My prediction is Trine 25 - Case Western 21.

Go Thunder!

Time to go listen to a little ACDC