FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

maripp2002 · November 22, 2009, 11:33:48 AM

In Re: D306 post
There are several reasons why this actually wouldn't be the case. First, during a recession the better students who receive better academic scholarships are more likely to be able to foot the bill. Because there isn't as much financial aid to go around only the best students get money. Second, both DI and DII use an academic clearinghouse as their method for academic standards. As far as I know D3 admissions is left to each individual institution. In many ways the Oberlins and Grinnells of the world make it a lot harder than they have to if they want to win championships. Finally, look at the NCAC, every single school is a US NEWS tier 1 liberal arts institution. At one point they had three teams regionally ranked (Wab, Witt, All). To me this says schools just have to be cognizant of finding STUDENT-athletes.

I agree with your opinion, I just think if students are at a D3 school to play football and not study they completely missed the boat. There are so many factors stacked against recruiting athletes without regard to academics it would be utterly inane for any D3 school to pursue that course.

adidas28 · November 22, 2009, 12:36:10 PM

Seems like you were more interested in the student section than the game also. If the game was at Trine I'm sure the student section would have been totally different.

Anyways, good luck next week. The better team did win on Saturday.

Case04, my point was that Case seemed to think the game was won in the first quarter. You didn't see the Trine players acting as if the game was over after they took the lead in the second half. Case Western players and fans thought the game was over after the 14-0 start. That was my point. I thought the shirts were great and kind of funny. But, why flaunt them before the game?

One more question. Why no visitors bleachers at the stadium at Case Western?

ADL70 · November 22, 2009, 02:23:48 PM

Quote from: adidas28 on November 22, 2009, 12:36:10 PM

One more question. Why no visitors bleachers at the stadium at Case Western?

There won't be any at Wittenberg either.

jam40jeff · November 22, 2009, 07:38:54 PM

Quote from: adidas28 on November 22, 2009, 12:36:10 PM
Case Western players and fans thought the game was over after the 14-0 start.

I knew the game was far from over, so you didn't read my mind correctly. I can't speak for the rest of the fans and players, but I don't think anyone thought the game was over at that point. People were excited we jumped out to an early lead, yes, but I think most people were still waiting to see what our defense would do. At that point, Trine had only had one posession, and was moving the ball before the QB fumbled, so I was uncomfortable even with a 14-0 lead not yet knowing whether our defense could stop the Trine offense.

ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE · November 22, 2009, 07:54:34 PM

No bleachers at Case or Wittenberg? Awesome, now Trine fans can have the same fun Adrian and Kentuck Christian fans had at Trine.

BOYA87 · November 22, 2009, 07:55:54 PM

I sure was proud to be a Thunder alumni and fan this past weekend! I know how hard those guys have worked these past years leading up to this playoff run and they deserve all the success they are achieving.

Leading up to this weeks game there was a lot of talk about Case not having much competition this season, but I think both teams got more than they bargained for in the first half with a score of 28-28. When Trine took the lead in the 2nd half I believe that was the first time all season that Case trailed in a game. I think that fact ingnited Trines defense as they played phenominal in the 2nd half making a play every time they had to.

As far as the offenses go, I dont think this game dissapointed in the least. I thought that Case Westerns QB would play a bigger role in the game making more passes and more bootleg type pass/run options. Instead I saw what looked to be a 300 lb full back running right down the gut all day! It was very effective and they had a lot of success but when Case got behind they struggled transitioning into a faster paced bigger play offense.

I give Trine a great amount of credit for coming out and showing they were the better team in all aspects of the game.

BOYA87 · November 22, 2009, 07:57:56 PM

Quote from: ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE on November 22, 2009, 07:54:34 PM
No bleachers at Case or Wittenberg? Awesome, now Trine fans can have the same fun Adrian and Kentuck Christian fans had at Trine.

haha touche ADAWG! It was actually a fine experience sitting on the home side at Case. I guess its just nice getting to see the reactions of your own team on the sideline.

ADAWGISADAWG4LIFE · November 22, 2009, 08:29:45 PM

BOYA87:

Yes indeed. Didnt mind the lack of bleachers at Trine to much when I was there, I just stepped over the chain and stood on the sideline. I have seen film of Case before and it looks like they have ample seating on their home side. Not sure if that is the case with Wittenberg or not, but as long as theres room on the home side I dont see it as being much of an issue.

adidas28 · November 22, 2009, 09:19:26 PM

No bleachers at Case or Wittenberg? Awesome, now Trine fans can have the same fun Adrian and Kentuck Christian fans had at Trine.

That was a great comeback, and should have been expected I guess. But, the difference is that the visitor bleachers were move for construction purposes. Case and Wittenberg are both very nice, finished stadiums and it just seems odd that there are no visitor bleachers.

It would be like Adrians awesome complex not having the visiting side, . I really thought that Case had a great campus, and field. What a great view for those students whose dorms overlook the field

jam40jeff · November 22, 2009, 09:23:27 PM

Quote from: BOYA87 on November 22, 2009, 07:55:54 PM
When Trine took the lead in the 2nd half I believe that was the first time all season that Case trailed in a game.

CWRU actually trailed twice in the second half at Wooster (25-24 and 32-31) before going on to win 53-32.

Pat Coleman · November 22, 2009, 11:20:47 PM

Quote from: hope1 on November 22, 2009, 10:44:13 AM
nice job trine now beat witt saturday

This will be a really interesting matchup of opposites.

Mr. Ypsi · November 23, 2009, 12:45:44 AM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 22, 2009, 11:20:47 PM
Quote from: hope1 on November 22, 2009, 10:44:13 AM
nice job trine now beat witt saturday

This will be a really interesting matchup of opposites.

Could you explain further? I'm guessing Trine = 'offense' vs. Witt = 'defense', but unsure?

Pat Coleman · November 23, 2009, 02:36:33 AM

Yep, that was all I was going for.

BoredatWork56 · November 23, 2009, 11:27:25 AM

Congratulations to the Trine players and coaching staff for their impressive win on Saturday. This is a huge win for the program and the conerence as a whole. It is unbelievable how far this program has come in the last 4 years. Going from a laughing stock to talks of building a D3 power is an impressive feat.

The offense looked outstanding in putting up their best game of the year. What impressed me the most was the way they won. After falling down early, they did not get sucked into a passing battle, they stick to their gameplan and imposed their will on the defense with the running game.

The defensive adjustments at half time were outstanding. The D played much better in the second half holding the 3rd ranked offense to only 3 points over a span of a quarter and a half. This coahing staff as done an excellent job all year making adjustments and did it again on Saturday.

Next week will be a dramatically different game. Trine will be facing the number one ranked scoring defense in the country. The offense that scored 51 points last week will be facing a team that has given up 53 points all year. Another classic "untoppable force vs immovable object" matchup. I can not wait to see how this one shakes out, but regardless of the outcome, it has been a wldly sucessul season for Trine and the MIAA

maripp2002 · November 23, 2009, 01:24:07 PM

I can not wait to see how this one shakes out, but regardless of the outcome, it has been a wldly sucessul season for Trine and the MIAA.

I don't want to take anything away from Trine or the MIAA, both have had incredible seasons and have been a lot of fun to watch and follow. I was just curious about what I like to call the "Layer Cake" that is D3 football. Essentially, there are conferences that every year put two teams in the playoffs that have a chance to win it all (OAC, WIAC, maybe IIAC and ASC). Then there are conferences that are putting two in, but don't really have a chance to make it to the semis (CCIW, ASC, IIAC maybe NCAC). Beyond that are the conferences that usually are good for a game or two in the playoffs and from time to time put two in (NCAC, PAC, MIAC, MAC) a lot of conferences could argue this one. Finally, there are the conferences that are happy to have a win (all conferences, but most not specifically mentioned above). As of right now I see Trine and the MIAA in the last category (not knocking just saying). My question to others who read this is what does the MIAA do to take the next step? Is it for Trine to keep winning the conference and then a playoff game each year? Is it having a second legit team for pool-c ? Is it for there being parity, that the AQ goes to a different school each year? Is it for the big boys of the MIAA to schedule and win tough out of conference games? I don't really have an answer, I am just posing this more as a hypothetical situation.

In short, I want to know what you think makes a season wildly succesful in the eyes of D3 fans around the country, how do you do it, and at what point you get that national respect?