FB: Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association

[Pat Coleman]

In your scenario, why would any student ever pick a Division III private college?

[formerd3db]

sflzman:

It all depends on how bad one wants to play college football.  But, certainly, you do have a very valid point.  For some, there certainly might be a way to get financial aid to help decrease the deficit, yet, for many, that just isn't possible.  So the huge difference as you outlined, can and does make the decision for some people unfortunately.

[Raider 68]

In your scenario, why would any student ever pick a Division III private college?

They go to a private D3 school because they know they will receive a great education, their professor knows their name, tradition ( a family member) went there, and they have a good chance of continuing to play football.

Yes, it costs more (same scenario in Ohio) but the football programs have to moving forward to even attract them, or they may go to a D3 school that has the history, tradition and the strategic foresight for continued success.

Sorry, I just fell off my soap box, or someone pushed me!

[BOYA87]

BAW56:

Thanks for the details.  While I/we knew of the probationary period for the transition to NCAA DIII, I wasn't sure about the "hold-over" scholarship players.  I thought perhaps many of them would have transfered.  BTW, just out of curiosity (and Trine friends here, please forgive me in asking this question as it may have been discussed long past), but why did Trine decide to do away with scholarship football?  Was the cost of providing scholarships the only factor?  Just curious.
 

My understanding of why Tri-State/Trine did away with their NAIA athletic scholarships is because of availability of scholarship money.  By entering into DIII that freed up tons of money for the school to offer more competitive academic scholarships, not only for its athletes but for all students.  They wanted to recruit great students and grow the quality of the university.  They also wanted to students who did play sports to be great STUDENT athletes and not the other way around.

When I was looking at colleges, playing football was a huge selling point to me.  I was going to go somewhere that would give me the opportunity to play football.  What eventually led me to Trine was its small campus and class sizes, the professors that I met with prior to attending my freshman year, the opportunity to continue my athletic career AND I received more scholarship money for my academics than I would have been able to receive at any DII school that I looked at.  That is what I love so much about DIII football, it is full of great kids, students and athletes that play for the love of the game!

So anyways, we are getting a taste of some real fall weather today!  This is what football weather is suppose to be like!

[sflzman]

Wow, I thought Hope would beat alma by maybe 1 TD, and Alma would have a legit chance of pulling of the upset.....I guess not.

[formerd3db]

Just back from the Hope game.  I, too, was surprised that Hope beat Alma so easily.  Alma just did not have a great day.  Hope, on the other hand, had everything go right for once, including the PATs, passing game as Feys was much more accurate, made good choices, running game was good and secondary much better play this weekend.  Hope got the breaks it needed i.e. they made the key plays when they needed, unlike the first four games.  Which makes me more disappointed as had Hope made those plays, not missed FGs and extra points, they could easily have been 5-0 at this point.  We are obviously not a great team, however, they showed me today that all is not lost and they didin't give up.  At least they got the "monkey off their back" today and a much needed win.  Congrats to the players and Coach Kreps and staff.  This will be a much needed boost in attitude and confidence going into next week's game at Kazoo, the latter of which showed some spunck today also against Albion.

As for Alma, they are not a terrible team as some have suggested, rather I think they just had a horribly off day.  Obviously, their QB is young and made the true freshman mistakes so common.  However, Alma has size and speed, but IMO, just didn't play up to what I think they probably can.

Regarding the weather, I am getting sick of the rain each Saturday, but I thiink it is here to stay.  That's the way it goes.  Anyway, on to Kazoo next week!

[Raider 68]

Just back from the Hope game.  I, too, was surprised that Hope beat Alma so easily.  Alma just did not have a great day.  Hope, on the other hand, had everything go right for once, including the PATs, passing game as Feys was much more accurate, made good choices, running game was good and secondary much better play this weekend.  Hope got the breaks it needed i.e. they made the key plays when they needed, unlike the first four games.  Which makes me more disappointed as had Hope made those plays, not missed FGs and extra points, they could easily have been 5-0 at this point.  We are obviously not a great team, however, they showed me today that all is not lost and they didin't give up.  At least they got the "monkey off their back" today and a much needed win.  Congrats to the players and Coach Kreps and staff.  This will be a much needed boost in attitude and confidence going into next week's game at Kazoo, the latter of which showed some spunck today also against Albion.

As for Alma, they are not a terrible team as some have suggested, rather I think they just had a horribly off day.  Obviously, their QB is young and made the true freshman mistakes so common.  However, Alma has size and speed, but IMO, just didn't play up to what I think they probably can.

Regarding the weather, I am getting sick of the rain each Saturday, but I thiink it is here to stay.  That's the way it goes.  Anyway, on to Kazoo next week!

Formerd3db,

Glad to see your alma mater win a game big to get them going!

[hope1]

yes i though hope played pretty good saturday  to    they moved a couple of fr up from the jv    jackson the rb played really good is pretty fast and hope defense scored a another score  now off to kzoo

[formerd3db]

I, too, was surprised to see them move a couple of players up from the JV, although I guess I shouldn't have been since I've been one who has been saying (complaining   )) about people not playing up to their potential and not getting the job done.  Jackson, although small, was a sparkplug - his 99 yard run for the TD showed he had speed and the Alma defensive players could not catch him.  He also had some great blocking in the game by our offensive line.  RB Elzinga sustained a sprained ankle in the first quarter and was not able to return.  Hopefully, he can rebound for Kazoo, although you know how ankle sprains can be - frustrating at times, even for the milder ones.  So, as you say, we'll see how the team responds at Kazoo.

Speaking of Kazoo, nice win for them vs. Albion.  I suspect Albion (without having seen them play yet) is having some of the same problems as us and Alma.  Still, I know when we play them down there in a couple of weeks, it is not going to be easy - it never is at Sprankle-Sprandle Stadium at Morely Fraser Field.

[formerd3db]

Thanks Raider68.  Indeed, it is a good feeling for all of us to finally win a game.  Now I know what Northwestern (and Olivet) felt like all those years.

Of course, your Mount keeps on rolling.  I was surprised at their score yesterday.  Also, your other "school" CMU is having a tough time this year it looks like.

Speaking of Northwestern, how about them?  They are undefeated, although I'm sure that is not going to last long.  Yet, it is good to see them being competitive routinely now.

[Raider 68]

Thanks Raider68.  Indeed, it is a good feeling for all of us to finally win a game.  Now I know what Northwestern (and Olivet) felt like all those years.

Of course, your Mount keeps on rolling.  I was surprised at their score yesterday.  Also, your other "school" CMU is having a tough time this year it looks like.

Speaking of Northwestern, how about them?  They are undefeated, although I'm sure that is not going to last long.  Yet, it is good to see them being competitive routinely now.

Formerd3db,

On the Mount/ONU games which I attended, the general feeling was it would be a close hard fought game with the Raiders have a slight edge for home field. Many thought this would be a year in which ONU could pull out a win like they did in 2005.  In the final analysis, the Raider defense controlled the LOS, clock, only a few penalties while creating 4 turnovers.

Unsual for Mount they have 8 starters who are sophomores, but have top talent. Not a good sign for for the rest of the OAC!

The Kalamazoo/Hope game will be a good one, but K-zoo has that homefield advantage and like Hope they are coming off a big win. 

[sflzman]

Just back from the Hope game.  I, too, was surprised that Hope beat Alma so easily.  Alma just did not have a great day.  Hope, on the other hand, had everything go right for once, including the PATs, passing game as Feys was much more accurate, made good choices, running game was good and secondary much better play this weekend.  Hope got the breaks it needed i.e. they made the key plays when they needed, unlike the first four games.  Which makes me more disappointed as had Hope made those plays, not missed FGs and extra points, they could easily have been 5-0 at this point.  We are obviously not a great team, however, they showed me today that all is not lost and they didin't give up.  At least they got the "monkey off their back" today and a much needed win.  Congrats to the players and Coach Kreps and staff.  This will be a much needed boost in attitude and confidence going into next week's game at Kazoo, the latter of which showed some spunck today also against Albion.

As for Alma, they are not a terrible team as some have suggested, rather I think they just had a horribly off day.  Obviously, their QB is young and made the true freshman mistakes so common.  However, Alma has size and speed, but IMO, just didn't play up to what I think they probably can.

Regarding the weather, I am getting sick of the rain each Saturday, but I thiink it is here to stay.  That's the way it goes.  Anyway, on to Kazoo next week!

Alma will be good in the next years, but you can tell we have a true freshman QB. Richard just isn't ready, and I don't think he will even play again after this year. I beleive that Jarrett Leister will definately come back as the starter next if all goes as planned.....

[sac]

That was Kalamazoo's first win over Albion since 1983 folks.  27 years.

Its worth noting that Kzoo hasn't beaten Hope since 1995.

[formerd3db]

Thanks for that info sac.  I knew it was quite some time, however, without checking the data myself, I didn't realize it had been that long.  Indeed, a great accopmplishment for Coach Zerbo and his players and staff.  I'm sure the Kazoo fans are thrilled as well.

14 years is a long time also for the last win against Hope.  I'm sure it will probably be a good game, but obviously, I am optimistic for Hope win.  It is a Kazoo's Angell Field, so it will be interesting to see how big a crowd they have.  I would suspect that the possibility might be for a larger crowd then they have had of recent due to yesterday's win, although I could be wrong.  It would be nice to see the 4,000 they had for their Homecoming against Hope about 5 years ago or so.

[Mr. Ypsi]

In the MIAA Pickems, NOBODY picked Kazoo over Albion.  I can hardly wait to see the Kazoo/Hope pickem distribution.